|07-18-2013 09:46 PM|
|07-18-2013 03:06 PM|
My JKU specced out to around $31,000 MSRP, and I ended up paying around $29,500. I cant remember the exact numbers, but I remember it saved me a little over $1,500, which comes out to be around 5%.
If I were you I would spec one out on the Jeep website, and take off 5%, It wont be exact, but it will be a ball park starting point. Assuming yuour 2door comes in under that, it might ended up being less than 5% being that that the invoice is lower, they may not mark up the MSRP as high.
Also, I believe the 1% is only going to be on a new Jeep, so going used wont help you.
Ok I built what you wanted realy quick, it came out to $25,475 MSRP.
If we take off 5%, we're at $23,202. plus delivery, tax, title etc,
you're probably looking at another $2,200. (taxes could be less if you have a trade in) so were at
$25,402. I'm guessing this is the best you're gonna do. If you absolutely need to get under $25,000, I wouldn't get the hard top. I have both tops, but if I could only have one it would be the soft top, no question about it.
|07-18-2013 02:45 PM|
Anyway to ballpark figure the dealer invoice price on what I spec'd above? Unfortunately, I am right at what I have saved for a downpayment vs. what I am willing to finance left over for 36 months. Im not being difficult with them on purpose...it's just THAAAT close.
|07-18-2013 12:51 PM|
|07-18-2013 09:49 AM|
Your best bet is the 1% below invoice tread lightly discount or the 1% employee friends and family discount. Go in there with the 1% discount and try to negotiate an additional 1%. Probably the best you can hope for.
|07-17-2013 10:36 PM|
Did yours have the 17" alloys or 16" steels? Seems the ones I am finding have the Alloys and they are not budging on price.
A couple dealers have shot me a decent "internet" price before TTL and when I say, "sounds good, lets get the out the door price close to this" they act like I slapped their grandmother. "We can't discount wranglers...blah..blah..blah". I'm going to feel bad if this is true, but seems to me they CAN if the want to.
|07-16-2013 01:26 AM|
|07-15-2013 11:23 PM|
|jadmt||I gotta agree lol.|
|07-15-2013 11:09 PM|
|07-15-2013 11:02 PM|
Fly to Montana and drive my 2013 JKU home comes with both tops.
|07-15-2013 10:56 PM|
Thanks guys, you all have been very helpful. I have been dealing with a couple dealers on some 2013s and it seems that they are not willing to deal much. Anyone want to shoot me a PM or let me know here what I should be paying for a:
2013 Sport (2 dr)
I found one, but it's got the "connectivity group" (which I don't care about) and factory 17" wheels. It looks nice but they would not bite at 25k OTD price. Am I lowballing THAT much?
|06-28-2013 12:44 PM|
I have a manual JKU with 33s and 3.21 gears. 17" RR rims, and 285/70r17 (approx 33"x11") Cooper ATP tires, no lift. I also added some weight with the rock rails.
The 3.21 gears are sufficient, but if i had to do it all over again, I would get the 3.73s. Going up a steep hill, I sometimes have to downshift to 5 to keep up speed.
and because everyone likes pictures...
|06-28-2013 12:27 PM|
3.21s are perfectly fine with any of the tires sizes you're looking at and fine for a DD. However 3.73s are the best option all around. IMO. Why get"fine" when you can get "better"? No one ever regrets 3.73s over 3.21s; plenty of people regret 3.21s.
Start low on your offer and if they don't take it walk away. Patience is the best way to get a good deal.
|06-28-2013 12:08 PM|
|Goldcomet||Don't fear the gear. We just bought a 2013 JKU with 3.21 and a 6spd manual and you can hardly use 6th gear (it's hilly where we live). With today's transmissions geared so high I wish we had gotten 3.73's although I can't complain about performance, I just think 3.73's would be better all around. If you live in flatter country I think you have less concern.|
|06-28-2013 11:38 AM|
What do you like?... auto or stick?
I have a 3.8/ 3.21 on a stick. I've done some good wheeling with it and it does fine, I rather like the extra challenge of a manual on the dirt. I'm just not rock hopping or trailblazing. I lowered my expectations for fuel efficiency accordingly and it's my daily driver; I think I got about 19mpg on a recent 300 mile day trip with plenty of hill climbing and interstate travel. Sure it can be a slug on the street but rev it up to 4 or 5k and it'll move like a spooked hound. I've learned to live with the more infrequent gear popping from 1st and have adapted my clutch techniques as well- it's not my bmw for sure. Set your expectations accordingly and you'll be good to go.
|06-28-2013 08:36 AM|
Thanks for all the input guys. By the way I have been looking at basic 2 door sport models with a hard top.
There seems to be a lot of love for the automatic, and I have seen comments such as "don't consider a 3.21 with a manual". What gives?
Aside from that, I have found a 3.73 M6 that they are asking $26,600 for. It's very basic with the only options being a hard top. What would you guys shoot them as a "Drive off the lot price" (Ie..after everything is said and done, after TTL, doc, Etc)
|06-26-2013 06:48 PM|
Fwiw it depends where you live and what type of driving you do......mountains yeah probably gonna want the 3.73s to run 33"s as has been mentioned....but IMO you would be "allright" with the 3.21s an auto and 33 Duratracs...but that would probably mean changing wheels as well.
My basis.....I have an '04 TJ with 33"s Duratracs and 3.73's.....and while my mileage isn't "great" it hasn't suffered that much from what it was stock.
and the other half of the equation...we also have a '12 JK Sport with Auto and 3.21s..and it is fine...but it is on "stock" 32"s...and Duratracs measure small so yeah when its time for tires the JK is getting Duratracs and new wheels.
Where I am at in Northern IN is very similar to IL or KS...TJ does "okay" on the interstate...regular highway it is fine...but when we go to MI KY or TN yeah I wish for a regear!! For the TJ
The JK needs nothing!!!
|06-26-2013 06:28 PM|
31x10.5x15s look great on TJs, but are somewhat small and out of place on the larger more massive looking JK.
I would recommend 285x70Rx17s, with a 3:73 ratio. As for the trans, well either is good manual, or automatic, so whatever you prefer. This combination should both look and perform good for your type of usage!
|06-26-2013 06:11 PM|
|06-26-2013 05:41 PM|
99% of the mall crawlers that I run into are running 35's on 2.5" of lift
It's kinda become the standard.
All jeeps (except those with 16" rims) come with a 32 stock. A 33 would be the equivalent of a 31 on your buddy's old jeep as those came with a 29, 30 or 31 stock depending on the year, model and options.
The wheel wells on a jk are much much larger than previous models.
If you are worried about gears then find one with the max tow package, it will have 3.73's.
The bigger problem with larger tires is not as much the circumference of the tire as it is the weight difference. A deeper gear helps both problems and choosing an all terrain over a mud tire helps as well.
|06-26-2013 02:32 PM|
I have a '13 JK Sport S (17" alloys w/ 255/75/17s=32") pushed by the auto and 3.21s. It works fine and actually is fairly spunky, even pulling a light boat on flat ground. The boat/motor/trailer is probably 1200-1300lbs and it works fine.
Not trailering I get 17.5mpg in town, and around 19mpg at Interstate speeds (75-80)....with a big kayak on top.
Pay little attention to the people who say the auto and 3.21s won't do what you want it to do. I don't wheel either other than light trails and gravel/dirt roads to get my kayaks to the fishing hole. That's why I bought it (to replace a 2000 TJ) and it does everything I ask of it.
When I wear out the OE rubber, I will probably just slap on a set of 265s DuraTracks (or the Wal-Fart version of the same tire).
Just because we don't wheel 'em, or mod the crap out of them, doesn't make us less of loyal Wrangler lovers. Not that I don't love the look of a jacked Wrangler, it's just not my thing.
|06-26-2013 02:14 PM|
I have 33x12.5x15 Duratracs on my TJ's 15x8 wheels. I have the 3.73 gears and they are just slightly sluggish. I believe a JK running that exact setup would be fine, but I'm not sure how a JK with 3.21 gears would push it. Since you would have more/wider tires, it'll take more force to push them. Ofcourse 31x12.5 would be less tire, so 3.21 might be fine.
If you're buying off the lot, you'll have to work with what they have. If you're ordering new, you'll be able to get what you want.
I'm not even sure how much the gas milage changes between 3.21 & 3.73 gears.
|06-26-2013 08:00 AM|
|wassup8687||Sounds like 3.73's and 285's are what you need. I have 285/70/17's on my stock rims and I love the look.|
|06-25-2013 11:53 PM|
|Up Hill Bill||Tons of JKers run Duratracs in 33x12.5x15. You just need new 15" wheels with a lower offset than the stockers. There are tons of posts on the benefits of the Duratracs, wheel choices, etc....|
|06-25-2013 11:48 PM|
|06-25-2013 11:45 PM|
Welcome to the forum. No shame in not using the wrangler as the stereotypes suggest.
I could beat you up but I'd rather beat up my Courtney's p****.
Go get a jeep, just remember:
- dont drink and drive
- dont text and drive
- dont sleep and drive
Don't act like an ass when you get your Wrangler.
|06-25-2013 11:37 PM|
You'd be fine going with 33's if you're not going to wheel it very hard.
You might also want to try to get some Rubi take offs. They're 32" MT tires. If buying from a Jeep dealer, they might already have some take offs laying around. You could negotiate for them.
Do you plan to lift at all? If so, will probably want at least 33's.
For the gears, as mentioned, you'll want the 3.73 if you are going to tow anything. Plus 3.73 are a good match for 33's. If going with 32" or less and not towing, you'll be fine with the 3.21. 3.21 will also give you better gas mileage.
|06-25-2013 11:34 PM|
|Up Hill Bill||
You might get better MPG with 3.73s if most of your driving is city - but, as you said, if you really cared about economy, you wouldn't be looking at Wranglers!
I also wouldn't want to drive much stop-and-go city/town traffic with a manual, but I sure did just that in my youth, when my knees where in better shape!
Obviously, I'm biased, but the 2012-on auto tranny with 3.73s sure is sweet in all driving situations.
And, if you decide 3.21 axles suit your needs, you'll be fine (except maybe when crossing the Sierras) with 31" tires. Saharas come stock with 32" tires with 3.21s.
p.s. Wranglers aerodynamics are as bad as could be when you get to higher freeway speeds. Keep it 65 or below and it'll be fine. Lots of people report getting around 22 highway MPG, or even better, with 2-doors and manuals with 3.21 gears.
|06-25-2013 11:33 PM|
I think I read somewhere that the tow rating is only 1,000 lbs anyway so so much for towing anything other than air. I know that is mostly due to the wheelbase.
Any input on my fuel concerns? Am I being unreasonable to expect that? Hell my dad's new F-150 achieves 19-20 at interstate speed and its gigantic with a 5.0L. I can't figure why these things seem to suck so bad in that department, weighing less and a V-6. (and aerodynamics should not bee much worse that a full size pickup, but what do I know).
|06-25-2013 11:24 PM|
You will save some coin by dropping down to a 16 wheel/tire combo. I stayed 17 because I wanted a certain wheel and it was only in that size. Just my .02 Good Luck
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