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07-17-2013 04:00 PM
Ironhead Jed That is still a tow strap in my opinion. The recovery strap that I am talking about is more like a bungee cord than a rigid tow strap. That way when you start pulling, there is no hard jarring on either vehicle and the stretch increases the pulling force for a nice smooth recovery.

I guess the terminology gets thrown around a lot. Arb calls them snatch straps

http://www.arb.com.au/products/arb-r...ipment/straps/
07-17-2013 11:21 AM
WredTJ
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Originally Posted by Ironhead Jed View Post
does anyone use a recovery strap instead of a tow strap? i laugh and cringe a little every time i see a vehicle take a running start with a tow strap. you are asking for trouble no matter how things are secured
Well I learned my hitch is NOT a bumper hitch, is a class 3, and already bolted to frame!!

And yes, I bought 2 of these:
Smittybilt CC330 3" x 30' Recovery Strap - 30, 000 lb Capacity : Amazon.com : Automotive
07-16-2013 05:56 PM
Ironhead Jed does anyone use a recovery strap instead of a tow strap? i laugh and cringe a little every time i see a vehicle take a running start with a tow strap. you are asking for trouble no matter how things are secured
07-16-2013 05:46 PM
kdilly
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Originally Posted by KaiserJeep View Post
Holton 345, the guy who was backing up to snatch the Jeep SUV does not know what he is doing. The correct way to snatch another vehicle is to hook up to the REAR of your vehicle.

If you hook up to the FRONT of a vehicle, when the strap goes tight, there is a sudden weight transfer to the front axle, just as the driver is applying throttle to unstuck the other vehicle. All too often, the sudden torque loading of the front axle subjects the steering U-joints of the front axle shafts to damaging stress, and breaks the u-joint or stretches the ears of the shaft(s).

That driver had plenty of room to turn around and attach the strap to the rear as he should have. When the strap tightens, less weight is transferred to the rear axle (because the heavy engine is on the front) and the rear axle is usually stronger anyway.

If you have to snatch from the front because you cannot turn your vehicle around, then the correct technique is to go to 2WD to spare the front axle.
This is very good to know.
He (the wrangler) probably didn't have a recovery point in the back to pull with. Just a guess
07-16-2013 05:31 PM
WredTJ Good to know!
07-16-2013 04:39 PM
KaiserJeep Holton 345, the guy who was backing up to snatch the Jeep SUV does not know what he is doing. The correct way to snatch another vehicle is to hook up to the REAR of your vehicle.

If you hook up to the FRONT of a vehicle, when the strap goes tight, there is a sudden weight transfer to the front axle, just as the driver is applying throttle to unstuck the other vehicle. All too often, the sudden torque loading of the front axle subjects the steering U-joints of the front axle shafts to damaging stress, and breaks the u-joint or stretches the ears of the shaft(s).

That driver had plenty of room to turn around and attach the strap to the rear as he should have. When the strap tightens, less weight is transferred to the rear axle (because the heavy engine is on the front) and the rear axle is usually stronger anyway.

If you have to snatch from the front because you cannot turn your vehicle around, then the correct technique is to go to 2WD to spare the front axle.
07-16-2013 03:54 PM
WredTJ Thanks for your experience, SH! A friend of a friend is helping me get this ready for the trip and said a tie-in bracket will be a piece of cake to get done tomorrow or Thursday.
07-16-2013 03:37 PM
StumpHumper
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Originally Posted by WredTJ View Post
Thanks, StumpHumper. Is yours receiver hitch attached to your frame or cross-member?

I've tried googling that since I'm waaaaay out of practice with mechanical stuff and cannot tell why only attached to crossmember would be a problem. TJ cross members are metal tubes attached to frame so I would have assumed it'd be fine for recovery since it's okay for towing.

So maybe someone can shed light so I can get smarter?
It's attached to the crossmember, I've owned many different 4wd vehicles and never once seen a factory crossmember get damaged from a simple yank... I'm sure there are circumstances where it wouldn't be advised but in 99% of situations it's not going to hurt anything.
07-16-2013 12:45 PM
WredTJ Those look great and easy! What is it, an hours worth of work?

I sent a note to a local guy who was doing some on my TJ to see if he could do it.

If not, will order these ASAP! Thank you again!!
07-16-2013 12:37 PM
Otto Man Eddie sells them on ebay through his Ground Pounder Fab Store and is an active jeep forum user/moderator. You can buy them directly from him with PayPal to save hime some ebay fees GroundPounderFab@verizon.net. These are the same ones I used. The tabs on the bolts make for a quick and easy installation since you do not have to fish a wrench with a nut taped to it up in the frame (though that is not that hard either). Prime and paint them yourself.
07-16-2013 12:13 PM
WredTJ Ahhh, I see! Thank you very much!!
07-16-2013 12:11 PM
Holton345 You can see that there is a LOT more force involved than with merely rolling the vehicle across a flat surface. The frame tie-ins and a properly designed bumper are a must if you plan on recovery with no damage to your rig or any heavy parts flying through the air!
07-16-2013 12:10 PM
Holton345 This guy does not know what he is doing and hooked up to a bumper with no tie-ins (maybe) or to the incorrect location (probably).

Jeep Stuck, Gets Bumper Ripped Off - YouTube
07-16-2013 12:09 PM
Holton345 This guy has good gear and knows how to do this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Tix1ayWu9c
07-16-2013 12:00 PM
Holton345
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Originally Posted by WredTJ View Post
Thank you very much!!! Is this a proper example of the tie-in:
certifiablejeep.com - Rear Bumper Frame Tie-in Installation
Yes. The bumper will be bolted indirectly to the frame rail. That puts all the pulling force running down the rail and not onto the welds at the ends of the rails, which can break.
07-16-2013 11:57 AM
WredTJ Thank you very much!!! Is this a proper example of the tie-in:
certifiablejeep.com - Rear Bumper Frame Tie-in Installation
07-16-2013 11:49 AM
Holton345 If you tow a vehicle you are towing only the weight of the vehicle. If you are stuck in mud or wedged in a crevice then the weight you are towing become many times higher. Tow traps are "beefy" when they can tow more than twice the weight of the vehicle. But a recovery strap frequently tops 25,000-30,000 pounds in what it can pull.

That should tell you that to recover a vehicle you will possibly put 30,000 pounds of pulling force on the strap, cable, hook, D ring, clevis or receiver.

That also goes for the bumper.

The plate that is welded to the ends of the frame rails is not stout and can tear free along with the bumper, turing the bumper into a very large and very dangerous missile that can kill or maim someone.

That is because you are putting *all* of that force on the welds between the frame rails and the plate (crossmember) and not on the frame itself.

Frame tie-ins simply spread the load away from those welds and on to the frame rails, making for a much stronger pulling point.

An example of frame tie-ins would be these here. Many use the same system of bolting the crossmember holes to the frame rail holes.

If you tug hard on the bumper with these, the load goes from the bumper to the crossmember to the frame on both sides of the vehicle. It is very strong and can take these sometimes very stout pulls needed to yank a jeep out of mud or a hole. Remember that you are not simply pulling it along, you are FREEING it from something that is holding it in place.
07-16-2013 11:29 AM
WredTJ
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Originally Posted by StumpHumper View Post
I've used my D-ring receiver multiple times to haul people out or get hauled out, much better set-up than the hook is.

Warn Part 29312 - Receiver Shackle Bracket
Thanks, StumpHumper. Is yours receiver hitch attached to your frame or cross-member?

I've tried googling that since I'm waaaaay out of practice with mechanical stuff and cannot tell why only attached to crossmember would be a problem. TJ cross members are metal tubes attached to frame so I would have assumed it'd be fine for recovery since it's okay for towing.

So maybe someone can shed light so I can get smarter?
07-16-2013 11:14 AM
StumpHumper I've used my D-ring receiver multiple times to haul people out or get hauled out, much better set-up than the hook is.

Warn Part 29312 - Receiver Shackle Bracket
07-16-2013 10:51 AM
WredTJ
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Originally Posted by Ironhead Jed View Post
i have read a few bad things about using a receiver hitch for a recovery point.

btw, nice to see some more local guys, you'll love the badlands
Indeed it is! Feeling luck over here! Just realized, you are close by too! Howdy, neighbor!

I did search around on the receiver hitch and it seems like most folks like them. Didn't find any bad press but there may be plenty posts Google didn't find. Hmmmm
07-16-2013 10:22 AM
Ironhead Jed i have read a few bad things about using a receiver hitch for a recovery point.

btw, nice to see some more local guys, you'll love the badlands
07-16-2013 10:16 AM
WredTJ That's a cool option if they receiver hitch won't work right!
07-16-2013 09:20 AM
Ironhead Jed another rear tow hook option.

TJ Tow Hooks and Gas Tank Skid - PartsGeek
07-16-2013 08:52 AM
WredTJ
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Originally Posted by Otto Man View Post
I am heading North to the Jeep Jamboree in Mole Lake WI. Badlands is on my list of things to do too. I live in the Milwaukee area. Have fun. You will learn a lot by being out there and from others.
Thanks! Let me know when you go!

I'm very excited about the trip!

Also, I heard there is done wheelin around Kettle Moraine. Know anything about that? I used to bike the John Muir trails and that is a great area.
07-15-2013 06:59 PM
Otto Man I am heading North to the Jeep Jamboree in Mole Lake WI. Badlands is on my list of things to do too. I live in the Milwaukee area. Have fun. You will learn a lot by being out there and from others.
07-15-2013 10:29 AM
WredTJ Otto, I'm heading to Badlands with Fox River Jeep dudes and dudettes in Attica, IN this Saturday! Gonna be my first wheelin' experience!!

Mulvihill64, that'd be great, thanks! There's a HF 20 minutes away!
07-15-2013 09:39 AM
Mulvihill64 Harbor freight has 10,000 lb tow hooks for like $7 that bolt right onto the front bumper. Ill take a pic of my rear hop setup later if I remember.
07-15-2013 09:24 AM
Otto Man You could probably get them at wither place or online. It depends on how soon you need them. Where are you headed to 'wheel?
07-14-2013 11:53 PM
WredTJ Hi Otto, my TJ is getting a quick inspection by a local jeep guru but thought it was mounted to the frame. Will verify later.

Can I pickup these tow hooks at local Jeep dealerships or auto parts stores?
07-14-2013 11:46 PM
Otto Man How is your hitch tied to the frame? In this picture, you can see the factory tow hook tied to the bottom of the frame. There are nuts inserted through the frame hole right behind the tow hook to secure the bolts. Check out this forum thread for more ideas and good pictures.
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