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07-25-2013 09:32 AM
getlucky my old raptor, loved the truck but a pain to get around in,
07-19-2013 04:26 PM
Twiztidmn i would... and then I would sell the raptor for 50K+ and buy another JKU. Maybe get myself a few mods with the extra money.
07-19-2013 04:20 PM
JKWrangler2012 Nope. Not available with a manual
07-19-2013 03:22 PM
legitposter With no cash being involved, I would trade my new JK for a new raptor. I would not trade for an even barely used raptor.
07-19-2013 03:10 PM
Rubi513
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Originally Posted by COStrider View Post
If you own wrenches and can read you can pull it all off. Then it'll be the way it should have been before the a$$hat EPA f'd it all up. I speak from experience (on tearing it all off, NOT bring an EPA employee HA). Man it's awesome, or was till I traded it in on the JK
Its not hard to pull it off, but you have to install other parts to go in its place, plus reprogram the computer. That is hard to do when the EPA won't allow vendors to sell that product anymore. I am glad my 04 doesn't have all that B.S.
07-19-2013 01:02 PM
Bird Dog
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Originally Posted by The_Chief View Post

Thank you. I did say 'your' for that exact reason... With guys having way north of $50k invested in their JK's, the JK-Raptor discussion can be had on the basis of financials...
The2010 Raptor was$36,000 out the door with $1500 of ford motor racing parts thrown in free. It gets 16.3 mpg with the stock 5.4 engine and is beast in the snow. The first 100 customers got the free stuff. My Sahara another stock vehicle could not keep up with it.They were about the same price. Im hoping for better performance out of a moab edition. I hope the dashboard materials habe gotten better. The shark skin finish onbthe ford is superb. On the 2009 Sahara it was garbage
07-19-2013 12:25 PM
ThingsAbove I went wheeling at the Uwharrie with a friend who has a Raptor. His Raptor didn't fare too well. We were on the easiest trails and he was tearing up stuff under his truck.

Now I'm sure if we were in the desert without the tall obstacles he could have whipped the Jeep.

Raptors and Jeeps are totally different vehicles.
07-19-2013 11:51 AM
COStrider
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Originally Posted by BManz View Post
I've owned enough to disagree about the shoddy quality remark; maybe you meant fit/finish is low-rent compared to say a Range Rover?

With regards to shoddy quality (or robust design), the Raptor isn't better than a JK or even a unibody WK2 GC in one important area: frame strength. Raptors have a nasty reputation for bending their frames when going off road and it's not isolated incidents. I say this as one who generally I likes (and has owned) Ford trucks.
I agree to fit and finish but all manufacturers have their own drawbacks and benefits as you pointed out clearly.
07-19-2013 11:49 AM
COStrider
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Originally Posted by Rubi513 View Post

I own a 3500 dually with the cummins and without my modifications a ecoboost would run off and leave me. With all the exhaust crap they put on diesels today you can forget about good mileage in a heavy truck like the cummins
If you own wrenches and can read you can pull it all off. Then it'll be the way it should have been before the a$$hat EPA f'd it all up. I speak from experience (on tearing it all off, NOT bring an EPA employee HA). Man it's awesome, or was till I traded it in on the JK
07-19-2013 11:44 AM
COStrider
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Originally Posted by The_Chief View Post

But that's the issue: "I'll do all this stuff to my Bumble Bee Ram, and it'll hang with a Raptor." Why bother? How about just buying the Raptor and being done?
Diesel power- DUH! Lol
07-19-2013 11:19 AM
Wingsnut72 No way. When you own a wrangler it's a conversation starter. Every so often some one will approach me. I get all sorts of questions. When I drove a truck no one ever, ever came up asked anything! Plus, Jeeps are just cool. A stock sport is cool. Ford had to come up with a special vehicle that draws the people in.
07-19-2013 10:26 AM
Espada The Raptor is my favorite pickup truck, and I would love to own one... If I lived in the West coast or the Southwest. I live in VA/DC where maneuverability is king. A short wheel base two door Jeep, or the slightly longer Unlimited is perfect for the area. Raptors are too big for the stuff around here. If I lived out where there was more room, then I'd probably take a hard look at a Raptor. Besides, the purpose of that truck is to stretch it legs out in the desert BAJA style. It's so focused by today's standards that it's almost like the Group B Escort RS200 homologation special vehicle Ford built to run rally races in the 1980s. I'd feel kind of bad not using it as intended by the engineers.

In summary, no point using a 20 lb sledge hammer when a small dead blow is the right tool for the job.
07-19-2013 07:54 AM
BManz
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Originally Posted by The_Chief View Post
The only thing that bugs me about the JK is its shoddy quality. And no, I don't wanna hear about 'your' Jeep and how it's perfect and rides like a Caddy...Yeah... The Raptor is unique, and it comes with a much higher quality rating...but it'll cost you.
I've owned enough to disagree about the shoddy quality remark; maybe you meant fit/finish is low-rent compared to say a Range Rover?

With regards to shoddy quality (or robust design), the Raptor isn't better than a JK or even a unibody WK2 GC in one important area: frame strength. Raptors have a nasty reputation for bending their frames when going off road and it's not isolated incidents. I say this as one who generally I likes (and has owned) Ford trucks.
07-19-2013 07:32 AM
Rubi513
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Originally Posted by TRAUMAhead View Post
There is a lot of potential with the ecoboost. Only time will tell how it holds up.
07-19-2013 04:13 AM
TRAUMAhead EcoBoost Raptor.

SDHQ's Twin-Turbo Eco-Raptor - /TUNED - YouTube
07-19-2013 12:55 AM
JenyGirl
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Originally Posted by Raiderfan001 View Post
Not just no but hell no. But I personally think Raptors are ugly as sh**.
Agreed
07-19-2013 12:49 AM
donmeca2020
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Originally Posted by WatchThis! View Post
Don't forget the OP said "Your". Some folks have a little more then sticker value tied up in a jeep. There are even JKs built to do the same things that the Raptor was built for.
Thats understandable, but stock for stock, price for price, and just difference of vehicle these are both like comparing apples to oranges....

i would assume a JK with either a hemi or cummins diesel swap is pretty damn pricey, as well as top of the line suspension and what not.
07-19-2013 12:28 AM
The_Chief
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Originally Posted by WatchThis! View Post

Don't forget the OP said "Your". Some folks have a little more then sticker value tied up in a jeep. There are even JKs built to do the same things that the Raptor was built for.
Thank you. I did say 'your' for that exact reason... With guys having way north of $50k invested in their JK's, the JK-Raptor discussion can be had on the basis of financials...
07-18-2013 11:46 PM
WatchThis!
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Originally Posted by donmeca2020 View Post
two completely different vehicles and price ranges.... Raptor is ONE of the top of the line ford SVT pickup trucks. wrangler JK is well a wrangler.

power comparison the wrangler does not compare, the ability to take doors and top off the raptor definetly cant.

Let's say even the the "super special" 10a wrangler... with a price tag of $45K or so plus TTT your looking at what $48 grand OTD??? raptor SVT it about $60ish.....

Its like comparing apples to oranges.... definitely not a fair comparison. they aren't even the same type of vehicle other then they both can go off roading.
Don't forget the OP said "Your". Some folks have a little more then sticker value tied up in a jeep. There are even JKs built to do the same things that the Raptor was built for.
07-18-2013 11:45 PM
Rubi513
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Originally Posted by WatchThis! View Post
Only thing is the extra MPG will never pay for the extra cost of the diesel power plant for the average Joe. You are just paying for power and something that should last longer.
And it's not uncommon to see today's gas engines over 300k. Don't get me wrong though, if they put a diesel in the wrangler I may get one. That is if I haven't already bought the raptor
07-18-2013 11:39 PM
WatchThis!
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Originally Posted by coelement777 View Post
If i bought a pickup truck it would be to tow things, and you will see much better MPG out of a diesel then a big v-8. If i was rich, had a dozen cars and just wanted a offroad toy i might get a raptor.
Only thing is the extra MPG will never pay for the extra cost of the diesel power plant for the average Joe. You are just paying for power and something that should last longer.
07-18-2013 11:36 PM
Rubi513
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Originally Posted by coelement777 View Post
ive driven a ecoboost f150 a few times, my brother in law owns one. It still cant compare with a diesel, i like power and decent mpg, not one or the other. Have you driven a 2500 with a cummins?
I own a 3500 dually with the cummins and without my modifications a ecoboost would run off and leave me. With all the exhaust crap they put on diesels today you can forget about good mileage in a heavy truck like the cummins
07-18-2013 11:35 PM
coelement777 the raptors are a little cheaper then i thought they were, i thought they were 50k plus but the crew cabs start at 47k A base model 2500 crew cab with a diesel is just under 44k msrp. Meh for my purposes i would still take the stock dodge over the ford.
07-18-2013 11:34 PM
donmeca2020 two completely different vehicles and price ranges.... Raptor is ONE of the top of the line ford SVT pickup trucks. wrangler JK is well a wrangler.

power comparison the wrangler does not compare, the ability to take doors and top off the raptor definetly cant.

Let's say even the the "super special" 10a wrangler... with a price tag of $45K or so plus TTT your looking at what $48 grand OTD??? raptor SVT it about $60ish.....

Its like comparing apples to oranges.... definitely not a fair comparison. they aren't even the same type of vehicle other then they both can go off roading.
07-18-2013 11:25 PM
Rubi513
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Originally Posted by coelement777 View Post
If i bought a pickup truck it would be to tow things, and you will see much better MPG out of a diesel then a big v-8. If i was rich, had a dozen cars and just wanted a offroad toy i might get a raptor.
Have you priced the new diesels lately? They are in the same price range as a raptor
07-18-2013 11:25 PM
coelement777 ive driven a ecoboost f150 a few times, my brother in law owns one. It still cant compare with a diesel, i like power and decent mpg, not one or the other. Have you driven a 2500 with a cummins?
07-18-2013 11:23 PM
The_Chief
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Originally Posted by coelement777 View Post
If i bought a pickup truck it would be to tow things, and you will see much better MPG out of a diesel then a big v-8. If i was rich, had a dozen cars and just wanted a offroad toy i might get a raptor.
Get the EcoBoost option ...
07-18-2013 11:21 PM
coelement777 If i bought a pickup truck it would be to tow things, and you will see much better MPG out of a diesel then a big v-8. If i was rich, had a dozen cars and just wanted a offroad toy i might get a raptor.
07-18-2013 11:19 PM
The_Chief
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Originally Posted by coelement777 View Post

my brother has a 2003 cummins. His has about $7k in mods- 6 in lift, big tires and wheels, off road shocks, custom front bumper, giant winch, and im sure im missing a few things. I have been with him on some really rough trails in that truck that it went through easily. I guarantee it could go anywhere a raptor can go, and a new cummins plus the same mods will put you at the same price as a raptor. I would take a cummins over a ford v-8 anyday.
But that's the issue: "I'll do all this stuff to my Bumble Bee Ram, and it'll hang with a Raptor." Why bother? How about just buying the Raptor and being done?
07-18-2013 11:14 PM
coelement777
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Originally Posted by WatchThis! View Post
Trust me your not going to just slap a lift some wheels and tires on a 10 thousands pound tuck and be able to do the things you can do in a Raptor with it.

I agree with everyone that would trade there stock jeep for one since they would be coming out on top, unless you had to keep it for X amount of years before you could buy another jeep it would be silly not to do it.
my brother has a 2003 cummins. His has about $7k in mods- 6 in lift, big tires and wheels, off road shocks, custom front bumper, giant winch, and im sure im missing a few things. I have been with him on some really rough trails in that truck that it went through easily. I guarantee it could go anywhere a raptor can go, and a new cummins plus the same mods will put you at the same price as a raptor. I would take a cummins over a ford v-8 anyday.
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