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09-18-2013 07:34 PM
panthermark
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Originally Posted by NFRs2000NYC View Post
What year is yours? On 2012s it does absolutely nothing. It was the first thing I tried, followed by replacing the jk amp with a nitro amp. None of those tricks did anything to get the volume on the soundbar up.
I have a 2013.....but the jumper has been used for prior model years. However, it does not always seem to work....I don't know why.
09-18-2013 06:40 PM
NFRs2000NYC
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Originally Posted by panthermark View Post
^I think you two are talking about two different things.

The jumper does work....I've done it in my Jeep. Added the jumper, and get some volume back.
But it does not fix the problem with the soundbar being so quiet and being crossed over at like 80hz.
What year is yours? On 2012s it does absolutely nothing. It was the first thing I tried, followed by replacing the jk amp with a nitro amp. None of those tricks did anything to get the volume on the soundbar up.
09-18-2013 06:23 PM
SFNMutt
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Originally Posted by panthermark View Post
You have the Alpine system already.
thanks
09-18-2013 06:12 PM
panthermark ^I think you two are talking about two different things.

The jumper does work....I've done it in my Jeep. Added the jumper, and get some volume back.
But it does not fix the problem with the soundbar being so quiet and being crossed over at like 80hz.
09-18-2013 06:09 PM
milani
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Originally Posted by NFRs2000NYC View Post

Its a myth and doesn't work.
It actually does. I took my jumper out today when I put my hard top on.
09-18-2013 06:06 PM
NFRs2000NYC
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Originally Posted by milani View Post
If you have the hard top (it might work in the soft top) you can jump two of the wires so the system "thinks" the hard top is on thus supplying all of the power.
Its a myth and doesn't work.
09-18-2013 05:12 PM
panthermark
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Originally Posted by SFNMutt View Post
i ordered a 2014 rubi x unlimited w/ the 430n radio. there's no mention of alpine or infinity. is there some better sounding radio i should have ordered?
You have the Alpine system already.
09-18-2013 05:11 PM
milani
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Originally Posted by NFRs2000NYC View Post

There is no way to fix this issue other than bypassing the OEM amp with an aftermarket amp.
If you have the hard top (it might work in the soft top) you can jump two of the wires so the system "thinks" the hard top is on thus supplying all of the power.
09-18-2013 05:09 PM
SFNMutt i ordered a 2014 rubi x unlimited w/ the 430n radio. there's no mention of alpine or infinity. is there some better sounding radio i should have ordered?
09-18-2013 04:40 PM
panthermark
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Originally Posted by milani View Post
You could put one of these after the stock amp and then use the RCA outs for a 4.1 amp to power the 4 channels and sub...

Amazon.com: PAC SOEM-4 4-Channel Premium Line-Out Converter with Remote Turn-On Trigger: Car Electronics

That's probably what I am going to do, since I have already replaced the sportbar speakers with the Polk 651's and will probably put the 6501's in the front and 2 12" subs in a custom stealth enclosure...
One thing that I don't want to do is use an already amped and EQ'd signal that needs to be stripped down and re-amped. I won't use any LOC's or processors or Cleansweep or anything like that....not for the mids and highs anyway.
09-18-2013 04:30 PM
milani
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Originally Posted by panthermark View Post
I would be content with the premium sound as is....IF...they would have included decent tweeters in the 6.5's.

The lack of tweeters forced me to change the speakers.
The fact that everything is 2 ohms is making me consider changing amps. (I'm not a fan of Infinity speakers....and there are not a lot of 2 ohm 6.5's out there)
The fact that the amp is basically an extension of the HU in the premium system means that I probably need to change everything.

I don't want to change everything....so I'm left with 4 ohm speakers powered by a 2 ohm factory amp.
You could put one of these after the stock amp and then use the RCA outs for a 4.1 amp to power the 4 channels and sub...

Amazon.com: PAC SOEM-4 4-Channel Premium Line-Out Converter with Remote Turn-On Trigger: Car Electronics

That's probably what I am going to do, since I have already replaced the sportbar speakers with the Polk 651's and will probably put the 6501's in the front and 2 12" subs in a custom stealth enclosure...
09-18-2013 11:18 AM
NFRs2000NYC Here are the speakers I was talking about if it helps you out...

Front:

Infinity 60.9cs 6-1/2" 2-way Kappa Series Component Speakers

Keep in mind, these tweeters are very large (although great) and the housing they are in does not fit the OEM pod holes. You can either fabricate your own way to mount them externally, break them out of their case and mount them to the OEM pod covers, or get different tweeters.

Soundbar...these are both 2ohm and extremely sensitive, so you will get a mild volume improvement if using the stock amp

Infinity Kappa 62.11I 6.5" 2-Way Kappa Coaxial Car Speakers

Sub Im using...
8" Car Subwoofers (Voice Coil(s): Dual, Impedance (Per Voice Coil): 2*ohms) at Sonic Electronix

You will need a spacer ring for it, it's a fattie
2 MDF Speaker Ring Spacer 8 inch Wood 3 4 Thick Fiberglass Box Enclosure Port | eBay

You will want a grill for the sub so you don't damage it with crap in your cargo area
Amazon.com: Rockford Fosgate Punch P8G P1 or P2 8-Inch Subwoofer Grille: Car Electronics
09-18-2013 11:08 AM
panthermark I would be content with the premium sound as is....IF...they would have included decent tweeters in the 6.5's.

The lack of tweeters forced me to change the speakers.
The fact that everything is 2 ohms is making me consider changing amps. (I'm not a fan of Infinity speakers....and there are not a lot of 2 ohm 6.5's out there)
The fact that the amp is basically an extension of the HU in the premium system means that I probably need to change everything.

I don't want to change everything....so I'm left with 4 ohm speakers powered by a 2 ohm factory amp.
09-18-2013 11:07 AM
NFRs2000NYC
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Originally Posted by boon4376 View Post
What year is your vehicle, and did you go with the premium (alpine) system?

I have a 2013 JKU with the Alpine audio upgrade and I think it sounds pretty damn good... Granted the tweeters could be clearer, I think the sub has nice tight bass that can hit pretty hard... Not earth shattering, but that isn't something I'm really interested in.

I know spending $2,000 overhauling it with after market stuff would make the difference night and day, but I actually think the stock system is good enough for me to not need to do that... Even though I have in all of my previous vehicles.

Some people complain about it not being loud enough with the top down - but with the Alpine system, on the highway with the freedom panels removed, I still only need to turn it to 3/4 volume to get it just about as loud as I can comfortably handle.

I was initially thinking the alpine system took the same audio as the base, and just added the sub - but do they actually up the wattage of the other speakers as well?
The problem with the OEM sound system is the soundbar. For some weird reason no one knows, chrysler only allows the soundbar to eat 1/2 the power. It is too quiet. There is no way to fix this issue other than bypassing the OEM amp with an aftermarket amp. If the stock system IS loud enough for you, but not clean enough, you can fix that with all new speakers. If you do go that route, you want to use 6.5" components up front (use infinity kappas or any other 2ohm speaker...do not use a 4ohm speaker), 6.5" coaxial speakers for the soundbar, and finally, an 8" DVC (dual voice coil) 2ohm sub (2ohm + 2ohm). You may need a 3/4" spacer ring if the sub you choose has a large magnet. I run infinity kappa speakers, a rockford 8" sub, through an Alpine PDX5, and it gets uncomfortably loud in the jeep. Let me know if you have any other questions.
09-18-2013 10:58 AM
st1264
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Originally Posted by Ricanbandit View Post
LOL, but the sound system sucks. I mean to me it is really bad, sure it plays music but I didn't get the upgrade so I have no bass to speak of and the rest of the system does not offset the loss. I like the functionality of the head unit, plus the fact that most thieves wouldn't give a second glance, but will definitely be getting replacement speakers, for sure a under-seat sub for at least some bass and toying with the idea of an amp.
Do yourself a favor and rip everything out, then install good equipment that is matched, crossed over properly and that you are happy with. The consensus is that all the so-called 'premium' stuff is junk, if you are used to having good equipment. If you do a couple components, you won't be happy. HU, amp, sub, speakers, tweets - all junk compared to what's available in the aftermarket.

I cringe every time I put my stereo on... but have ran out of money for mods. Eventually I'll get it done.

Good luck.
09-18-2013 10:51 AM
Ricanbandit I just got my first Jeep JK 2014 to replace a 10 year old Freelander. Got the stock unit with the U connect and the dreadful Sirius (really does sound like shit). My Rover had a Harman Kardon System that was absolutely great, better even than the Premium Upgrade on my BMW. Love my jeep, seriously, I can't see myself not having a jeep now LOL, but the sound system sucks. I mean to me it is really bad, sure it plays music but I didn't get the upgrade so I have no bass to speak of and the rest of the system does not offset the loss. I like the functionality of the head unit, plus the fact that most thieves wouldn't give a second glance, but will definitely be getting replacement speakers, for sure a under-seat sub for at least some bass and toying with the idea of an amp. Have to tread lightly as I have the wifey scrutinizing my mods already. Guess she already had enough of the mods I made to my Z Nice place you guys have here, think I am going to hang out a bit
07-21-2013 12:57 AM
NMBruce
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Originally Posted by NMBruce View Post
I have the 2013 Alpine system and don't think it is that bad, this is a Jeep and I didn't expect the system to be all that great, I am thinking the Jeep is not designed for a great stereo system. I am not planning any upgrades at this time.
Forgot to say, really don't care for the rear sub, thinking of getting the plastic from a non Alpine unit and replacing it.
07-20-2013 11:39 PM
NMBruce I have the 2013 Alpine system and don't think it is that bad, this is a Jeep and I didn't expect the system to be all that great, I am thinking the Jeep is not designed for a great stereo system. I am not planning any upgrades at this time.
07-20-2013 10:03 PM
st1264
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Originally Posted by Rmiller31 View Post
You'll notice a difference for sure and it will sound better.

With that said the factory units have $@$& for power. Its terrible at best. To really make the speakers sound as good as they can you'll want more power to them. I replaced the stock head unit and didn't look back.
Agreed. Not one piece of the stock equipment is any good. It's just stuff that was thrown together as cheaply as possible to make it adequate for most people. Audiophiles will rip it all out anyway.
07-20-2013 05:21 PM
Rmiller31
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Originally Posted by ohioviper View Post
For the ones who replaced the stock speakers with the Polk was it worth it ? Will the stock HU drive the polks or is it a waste to put in the polks with the stock HU ?
You'll notice a difference for sure and it will sound better.

With that said the factory units have $@$& for power. Its terrible at best. To really make the speakers sound as good as they can you'll want more power to them. I replaced the stock head unit and didn't look back.
07-20-2013 05:15 PM
MDJeeps
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Originally Posted by ohioviper View Post
For the ones who replaced the stock speakers with the Polk was it worth it ? Will the stock HU drive the polks or is it a waste to put in the polks with the stock HU ?
I have the 730 RER and I replaced the stock speakers with Polks in the dash and the soundbar and poly-filled them all too. I think the sound is much better. I had a 12 JKUR with the Infinity sound system and when I swapped for a 10A (like a brat) I thought the Alpine sytem sounded muddy and lacked bass as well. To me it seems like the amp is either weak or the Head unit software is really dampening the sound. Even after replacing the speaker and poly-filling the sound was still not where I wanted it. The satellite radio did sound worlds better, but I was still dissatisfied with how my Iphone sounded playing through the speakers. I wasn't going to pay big $$$ to replace any more components so I started hunting for solutions.

I came across an app called Equalizer (it was $3, I think) that lets you tweak the bass, treble, midrange and multiple other elements of the sound prior to it going into the HU. I had tried to do this with the Iphones native EQ settings and never got the results I wanted. This app is also unique because it has the ability to boost or lower the pre-amp output better than just playing with the Iphone's volume. It has a bunch of preset EQ settings but you can also create and save your own. After playing with it for a while I found that tweaking various preset EQ settings I could boost the bass and the volume significantly. While this was very noticeable as I played the Iphone thru the HU via bluetooth, the volume and bass boosted even more when I connected via the aux audio input jack on the HU. The bummer was that I got none of these results thru the USB input (bummer because it was nice ot have my phone charge while it played). The cool thing is that the amp also has a built in limiter that prevents you from blowing out your speakers--it judges the quality of the track, your pre-amp volume setting, and your selected EQ settings and will automatically lower the pre-amp so your system is not in jeopardy of blowing out.

Nowadays, I roll with the top and doors off and my tunes are loud and clear and my bass has far more thump. I listen to all kinds of music and can honestly say it helps across the board.I have had the most success making my own settings based off of Equalizers "Xtreme" preset EQ setting and the "Bass Boost" setting. Hint ---each time you switch from one EQ setting to another, reset the pre-amp volume because some EQ presets can hanlde more pre-amp than others.

Hope this helps somebody save some $$$ and enjoy their tunes more. Have fun!
07-20-2013 03:56 PM
blueshound
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Originally Posted by boon4376 View Post

What I would really like is an aftermarket android head unit I could add to my 4g plan with built in Google Now voice activation and Google Maps Navigation - why does no one make this yet?
I found a YouTube video of a Nexus 7 tablet installed into a Dodge. I'm now interested in the under seat sub.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oovla...e_gdata_player
07-20-2013 01:12 PM
panthermark When I swapped in my Kicker's, I noticed the biggest drop in volume at higher volumes...specifically bass....the stock speakers "hit" a lot harder than the Kickers. That is where the 2 ohm vs 4 ohm issue played out.
07-20-2013 12:51 PM
chris4x4
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Originally Posted by vacca foeda View Post
The polks are 4 ohm and factory is 2, so they should be a little quieter. They make up for it because the polks are 2 way, and factory is just a woofer, so the polks are playing the highs more clearly which makes it seem louder. At least that was my hypothesis when I made the switch.
"Should be". However, if the Polks are more efficient, then that will negate the OHM rating. Before the swap, I would have the volume at 19 for a comfortable listening level when on the freeway, while after the swap, 16 is about the same level. I haven't performed any DB readings, so this is just "seat of the pants" type testing.
07-20-2013 11:27 AM
vacca foeda The polks are 4 ohm and factory is 2, so they should be a little quieter. They make up for it because the polks are 2 way, and factory is just a woofer, so the polks are playing the highs more clearly which makes it seem louder. At least that was my hypothesis when I made the switch.
07-20-2013 10:58 AM
st1264
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Originally Posted by chris4x4 View Post
I found them VERY much worth it. They seem to have a little more volume than the OEM speakers, so they are driven fine by the OEM head unit.
They are more efficient so they can be run with very little juice. They'll play louder compared to less efficient speakers, with the same wattage.
07-20-2013 10:48 AM
chris4x4
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Originally Posted by ohioviper View Post
For the ones who replaced the stock speakers with the Polk was it worth it ? Will the stock HU drive the polks or is it a waste to put in the polks with the stock HU ?
I found them VERY much worth it. They seem to have a little more volume than the OEM speakers, so they are driven fine by the OEM head unit.
07-20-2013 10:32 AM
ohioviper For the ones who replaced the stock speakers with the Polk was it worth it ? Will the stock HU drive the polks or is it a waste to put in the polks with the stock HU ?
07-20-2013 10:21 AM
ORNGCR8 I have an '11 JKU with the Infinity premium 430N with UConnect. It's been my experience that the system is average...not the worst I've heard, but not the best for an "upgrade premium" sound. However, I really do like the hands free integration for making/receiving calls and voice commands. That is why I will not mess with replacing the stock HU, despite the NAV being older generation technology.

Bottom line- it works for me. Maybe someday if/when I blow the speakers, I'll do the Polk upgrade. I have Polk in my home theater system and I am a huge fan of their speakers...very clear mid range and highs (listen to a lot of guitar/classic and alternative rock).

Which begs the question: Could it be our tastes in speakers and sound quality are aligned to the TYPE of music we listen to? I could see how fans of hip hop/rap or commercial top 40 stuff would be disappointed with a stock system weak on bass, but for me (think Foo Fighters, Pearl Jam) the premium system works great for guitar!
07-20-2013 09:52 AM
BLK2012
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Originally Posted by lolpetewtf View Post
Wtf are you talking about
Jeep owners love their vehicles as much or more than any other group of owners I have seen, and offer many different takes on what's "normal" and what's not.

I just like reading the back and forth, nothing less, nothing more.
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