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07-21-2013 11:54 PM
JK Coaster I've had my 2012 Sport for about a year. I really thought I wanted the Rubi but my total budget would only support a stock Rubi without mods, or a Sport with 35's, 2.5 lift, wheels, winch/bumper, roof rack and the goodies listed below. My experience since I've owned it is that it has fulfilled everything I wanted to do, which is a lot of expedition/camping style wheeling into remote areas but not much rock crawling. All the mods (especially ground clearance) were worth more to me than the features of the Rubi.

Now I can afford more, so I am adding next week Eaton E lockers front and rear for about $2,800.00 parts and labor. Looking back, if I could have afforded it, a Rubi might have been better for me, especially to get the factory warranty and to put the lockers into the monthly payment. But...I couldn't, so this was the right choice for me then.

For the same bottom line price the Sport with the mods you want may or may not be better than a stock Rubi. I have to admit, the modified look vs the all stock look influenced my decision just a little. As said before, it is really a personal decision.
07-21-2013 11:24 PM
jadmt
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Originally Posted by bigobear View Post
I'm picking up a 2012 Unlimited Sport on Tuesday. I never thought I would buy anything other than a Rubicon. But I found a good deal on a Sport and a Rubicon with similar miles was going to be about $7k more. I just couldnt justify it.

I live in Texas so I wont be driving over any talus fields anytime soon. I will be in the woods in a lot of mud tho. Because of that I plan on putting a lift (3 inch or so) and 35s. And a winch.

Will I be in trouble with those 35s tho and not having the lockers or the front axle?
there are those who say that 35" require no less then 4.88 gears lol.
07-21-2013 11:12 PM
DJL2 BigO - nah, not really. All depends on what you use the Jeep for. Lockers and tires don't really directly effect one another - actually, you will be in less trouble. Locking up puts more stress on the axle and diff...so, no locking = less stress and better all around.
07-21-2013 09:31 PM
bigobear I'm picking up a 2012 Unlimited Sport on Tuesday. I never thought I would buy anything other than a Rubicon. But I found a good deal on a Sport and a Rubicon with similar miles was going to be about $7k more. I just couldnt justify it.

I live in Texas so I wont be driving over any talus fields anytime soon. I will be in the woods in a lot of mud tho. Because of that I plan on putting a lift (3 inch or so) and 35s. And a winch.

Will I be in trouble with those 35s tho and not having the lockers or the front axle?
07-21-2013 08:16 PM
2five22 The wife wanted more convenience and I wanted more capability. She got the Unlimited Sport and I got the 2 door Rubicon.

Neither of us plan on re-engineering the vehicles since they are daily drivers.
07-21-2013 06:14 PM
panthermark
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Originally Posted by FXnut View Post
Yeah my question was more geared towards the financial side of things and I was curious if a Sport can be built as good or better than a Rubicon for less money.

Are there major difference between a Sport D44 rear and the Rubi D44 other than the locker? Or is it exact same axle?
I would think it depends on what you are trying to do.

If you are trying to turn a Sport into something equal to a Rubi.....just get the Rubi. If you are trying to turn a Sport into a monster off-road vehicle with an Atlas and D60's...you can go with a Sport.

Here is a good article...http://www.edmunds.com/jeep/wrangler...-or-sport.html

Every situation is different....and your situation falls between the extremes, so I can't say there is a right or wrong answer. Sounds like you don't need the 4:1 transfer case...but could use the lockers.
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Oh...same axle in the rear (outside of the locker).
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On a side note, Jeep would be better selling the options ala carte. I would love to have a factory D44 up front with a selectable locker, and LSD (especially a TruTrac) in the rear. I don't want/need a 4:1 transfer case, ediscos, MT's, or rear lockers on a DD that will never see rocks or heavy trails.
07-21-2013 05:17 PM
DJL2 When I did the pricing on my Rubi/Sport/Sahara comparison a little over a year ago my data supported what was already mentioned - about 5k between Sport S and the Rubi, perhaps 2-3k or so between the Sahara and the Rubi. I felt OK driving off the lot at 33.5 ish in the Rubi. At the time I assume it was overkill. Understand, I am not a hard core wheeler by any stretch - but, I've managed to scratch or gouge most every piece of protection on the Jeep at some point in the last year+ from trying to get out there every once in a while.

When I made my choice, I KNEW I wasn't going to make a huge lifestyle change to hard core wheeler. I KNEW that the Rubi was going to hold me over for a bit with the 4:1 t-case, built in lockers, 4.10 gears and D44 up front. That is still true, I am making a moderately capable trail rig around the Rubi one piece at a time. The last time I went wheeling, I was out with rigs that had more work in them than mine - to include bigger lifts and bigger tires - but you know what? The guys following our group said they were shocked at how much "harder" my Jeep "pulled" than the others. Hell, I might have sold the a new JK that day. I didn't tell the guy I was locked, because I assume that if he knows Jeeps, he knows Rubis. The lockers have been worth their weight in...at least silver - and the 4:1 t-case was something I did not want to be without because I like taking things slow and in control. The cost to make those two changes alone would have put me over the price difference between the Sport S and the Rubi - thus why I own a Rubi. The rest is just gravy.

However, I see folks on this forum all the time that talk about running trails or fire roads and ask if they need a Jeep or a Rubi. The answer to that is no. Watch the Top Gear special where they search for the source of the Nile. They run harder terrain in that series than most folks will ever take their Jeep on - and they do it in sedans. A BMW, a Volvo and a Subaru to be specific. General rule - if you have to ask if you need a Rubicon, you don't. The Rubicon is the vehicle you get when you are into wheelin' enough to want/appreciate what it offers, but not so into the life style that you are going to start building from the ground up immediately.

Also, TX Jeep Girl - please post up your Avatar picture full size...you are my Jeep hero. ,p
07-21-2013 04:40 PM
FXnut
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Originally Posted by panthermark View Post
I guess I'm lost...

I'm not sure if the question here is "Do I need a Rubi over a Sport?" or "Is a Rubi worth the price increase over a Sport?"

Those are two very different questions....and since the OP already had a 2008 Rubi, I'm not sure what advice can be given to him that he does not already know.

Yeah my question was more geared towards the financial side of things and I was curious if a Sport can be built as good or better than a Rubicon for less money.

Are there major difference between a Sport D44 rear and the Rubi D44 other than the locker? Or is it exact same axle?
07-21-2013 03:35 PM
HAFICON For me the build is part of the fun.. Even with a 4.10 gears I would consider a re-gear, and the ARB lockers are certainly better for me. But I have yet to hear of a stock Rubicon locker that failed. I am sure it has happened but not everyday so the stock lockers must be pretty good. Also keep in mind the D44 housing is the same as the D30 so you will still be looking at Axle housing re-enforcement if you want to run 35's and wheel it to and extent.
07-21-2013 03:21 PM
jydder
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Originally Posted by BeyondYourFrontDoor View Post

In fact, 90% of internet statistics are made up on the spot.
14% of all people know that.
07-21-2013 03:18 PM
panthermark I guess I'm lost...

I'm not sure if the question here is "Do I need a Rubi over a Sport?" or "Is a Rubi worth the price increase over a Sport?"

Those are two very different questions....and since the OP already had a 2008 Rubi, I'm not sure what advice can be given to him that he does not already know.
07-21-2013 03:10 PM
tlminh Hmm, this thread got me thinking. I have a JKU Sport now, if I wanted to make it a rubicon equivalent, can I drop 5k and do a prorock d44 swap

Dynatrac ProRock 44 Unlimited Package (PROROCK44UNL_PKG)

Add lockers to the rear and viola?
07-21-2013 02:52 PM
sinbob I won't own anything but a Rubicon, but I do a lot of rock crawling. Doing Dusy Ershim 23 of aug
07-21-2013 02:42 PM
Sucker Punch It all comes down to personal preference. I'm going with the JKUR. I have done more and more research on all the options. I have had MORE than enough time researching as I am still waiting for granite crystal.

I originally was thinking of getting a base sport model, with limited slip, 3.73 gears, auto, etc. That came out to $28,190 b4 ttl.

Then I worked up a Rubicon with everything I wanted = $34,900 b4 ttl

That is about a 7K difference between those 2 so then I built another sport as close to the rubicon specs I could to compare apples to apples and that sport was = $30,800.

So if I compare option for option the Rubicon is less than 5K more than a comparable sport.

Yes I could save 7k by buying a basic sport, but the real difference is somewhere around 5,000 when comparing feature for feature.

The rubicon makes the most sense to me as I do not want to swap axles, lockers, or change gears in a brand new vehicle. I also plan on running 37's and the 4.10 gears will be a little better than the 3.73.

But honestly... I just want the sticker on the hood
07-21-2013 02:00 PM
TexasJeepGirl Would you rather pay $1000 towards a part you don't like and have no other choice, or $1500 towards a part that is your preference? That is what it really comes down to.
07-21-2013 01:33 PM
Lbear Bottom line is the Rubicon is engineered so that all parts work well together and are warrantied. If you build it, you bear the outcome. Individual add-ons may have their own warranty but you can get into finger pointing hell when you mix and match. Your build may be better than a stock Rubicon or it may be worse. Either way, building your own is a gamble and costly. If you have the money, having the security and capacity of the Rubicon is worth it and makes financial sense if there is the slightest possibility you will wheel.
07-21-2013 01:20 PM
panthermark If you are going to be on pavement or light trails...save your money and get the Sport S.

Everything beyond that level is up to you. You know the dirt trail leading to your cottage better than us.
07-21-2013 12:54 PM
jadmt
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Originally Posted by HAFICON View Post
I say go sport, with stock LSD and upgrade from there..

You can most likely regear and add lockers cheaper than the price of the Rubi. And my sport transfer case takes me where the Rubicons go no problem.

To do it over again I would not have got the Rubicon. The D44 is not really any stronger just has better axle shafts. The ARB lockers will be much better than the stock lockers.
So you have a Rubicon and wish you would have gotten a sport? What exact reasoning? I asked because I have a 2013 Sport unlimited and am dealing on a Rubicon so I would love to be talked out of it. I have priced getting regeared and a locker in front (already have LSD) and it is a chunk of money $2000 just for the regear at reputable places one reason being is I want 4.10 and no aftermarket 4.10 out there.

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Originally Posted by HAFICON View Post
Haven't you heard.. Jeep voids your warranty as soon as you drive off the lot.. *L*
Not if you don't over mod *.*
At least my dealer is reputed to be jeep friendly.
07-21-2013 12:53 PM
LV Naturist
Just Another Opinion

We just recently bought a barely used 2011 JKUR. We don't really plan on doing any serious wheeling but wanted the Rubi anyway. The reason we wanted the Rubi is because I prefer to have "reserve capacity". To illustrate the point, one of the places we enjoy is the hot springs in Saline Valley in Death Valley NP. There's only 4 ways in and out of the valley.Two are over pretty mild mountain passes. The other two are a bit more challenging. If we're there, and there is a washout or snow storm on the passes, We'd need to use one of the two alternatives. There is Steel Pass where the capabilities of the Rubi might come in handy and the infamous Lippincott Rd where the capabilities would come in handy, or even be required depending on current road conditions. It's kinda like carrying a firearm. I may never need it, but it's good to have if I do...

John
07-21-2013 12:44 PM
RKracing I have proved every which way on other treads that are the same as this one that their is a $5100 difference between the two WHEN you 100% compare apple to apples. I have done this comparison twice in 3 years and came up with the same numbers......when compared 100%.
If you do not do the 100% comparison yourself then you will truly not see the difference between the two. It is VERY easy to swing the vote one way or another. To each their own. But you should be happy with your choice. You need to do lot's of homework. Now Party On!
07-21-2013 11:58 AM
HAFICON
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Originally Posted by jadmt View Post
yea but 10% must be not made up lol. wait it is the internet lol



Warranty is important to me

Haven't you heard.. Jeep voids your warranty as soon as you drive off the lot.. *L*
07-20-2013 04:12 PM
jadmt
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Originally Posted by BeyondYourFrontDoor View Post
In fact, 90% of internet statistics are made up on the spot.

I've been off-roading 8000 times, and I never, ever have to ask the question - "I wonder if I should have got a Rubicon?"... because I have one, I push the magic buttons, and traverse many rocky passes where you just aren't going to get far without lockers.

Sway-bay disconnect? Beautiful. Again, push the button, I've got the extra articulation needed to keep contact, maintain traction and momentum.

I've never broken anything...

Anyway, there are specific situations where the extra do-dads are essential. If you are never, or rarely, going to encounter them - save your money for the typical poser upgrades.
yea but 10% must be not made up lol. wait it is the internet lol

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Originally Posted by BeyondYourFrontDoor View Post
I looked at going new... Sport vs. the others... On paper a sport looks like a bargain if you can find the stripper... I couldn't find anything that cheap because the dealers always order the base package upgrades... which suddenly bumps you $3-4K up. Now the picture isn't so clear when you are looking at $24K+ and the Rubi comes with all the power features.

If you are a wrencher, getting a sport and doing the upgrades would be a great project... though once you start swapping axles on a new vehicle, you are eliminating a lot of warranty coverage.
Warranty is important to me
07-20-2013 03:08 PM
BeyondYourFrontDoor
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Originally Posted by FXnut View Post
Jag, thanks for pointing out the "search" button. I'm on enough forums, I should have thought of that


The difference between a base sport and rubi here in Canada (on Jeep.ca) is $19,945 vs. $31,045.

$11K price difference I think would cover quite a bit of mods. Rims/tires (33s or 35s), lift,LSD for the front, sway bar disconnects and I think maybe still have funds left over.. however I will admit I haven't done the math yet.

Off to study one of the many other threads...
I looked at going new... Sport vs. the others... On paper a sport looks like a bargain if you can find the stripper... I couldn't find anything that cheap because the dealers always order the base package upgrades... which suddenly bumps you $3-4K up. Now the picture isn't so clear when you are looking at $24K+ and the Rubi comes with all the power features.

If you are a wrencher, getting a sport and doing the upgrades would be a great project... though once you start swapping axles on a new vehicle, you are eliminating a lot of warranty coverage.
07-20-2013 03:03 PM
BeyondYourFrontDoor
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Originally Posted by tlminh View Post
I had the same reservations regarding sport vs rubicon

I ended up getting a sport and could not be happier

I have been off roading about 8 times, and on some fairly tough terrain, and will say there hasn't been a moment when I said "hmm, I should have gotten a rubicon." I wheel with several others who have rubicons and have been to the same places.

In fact, the rubicons break more than the sport, it may give wheelers a false sense of security.
In fact, 90% of internet statistics are made up on the spot.

I've been off-roading 8000 times, and I never, ever have to ask the question - "I wonder if I should have got a Rubicon?"... because I have one, I push the magic buttons, and traverse many rocky passes where you just aren't going to get far without lockers.

Sway-bay disconnect? Beautiful. Again, push the button, I've got the extra articulation needed to keep contact, maintain traction and momentum.

I've never broken anything...

Anyway, there are specific situations where the extra do-dads are essential. If you are never, or rarely, going to encounter them - save your money for the typical poser upgrades.
07-20-2013 01:20 PM
ohioviper I bought my 13 sport back in September with intentions of building it as I get the money and making it the way I wanted. Money is always the limiting factor. It now has a 2.5" TF spring lift and 33x12.50/15 Duratracs. Few other small mods. Fact is Im not where I wanted to be yet. I wanted to get a set of lockers and 4:56 gears to run 35s or 37s. I had a ton of equity in my trade and dont owe much on the new JK but still have not squeezed the money for the lockers and gears yet. There is always something coming along eating up my Jeep fund.

If you are like me and money is hard to scrape up and I wont use credit card to buy mods it might be better to get the Rubicon with 44 front axle and 4:10 gears, lockers as then you are ahead of the game. I think folks with less money to play with are better off to go this way. If you have plenty of money available to do mods after purchase then why not buy a Sport and build it the way you want. ARB lockers and 4:56 gears and a good lift kit and 35 or 37" tires.
Looking back I regret not getting the Rubicon for a little more money as I would have just lifted it and went right to 35s and had the lockers I need for some of the trails I been doing.

If you shop around and use one of the discounts like tread lightly you should be able to get into a Rubicon for almost what a sport with some options goes for retail which it seems many wind up paying by not doing their homework. My sport S stickered for 29950 and I got it for little under 26k. There was a Gecko Rubicon that was stripped down with no Nav ect I could have got for under 30k. Yep I screwed up.
07-20-2013 01:05 PM
HAFICON I say go sport, with stock LSD and upgrade from there..

You can most likely regear and add lockers cheaper than the price of the Rubi. And my sport transfer case takes me where the Rubicons go no problem.

To do it over again I would not have got the Rubicon. The D44 is not really any stronger just has better axle shafts. The ARB lockers will be much better than the stock lockers.
07-20-2013 12:38 PM
Bayouwolf
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Originally Posted by FXnut View Post

Timbits and poutine? More likely will be spent on some good beer unlike that watered down stuff they call beer in the US...
Them's fighting words, eh!

(Unless you're talking about the fizzy yellow piss-water stuff, and then yes, I'd agree that Rickards and Keiths are better than the same type of mass produced US crap...I much prefer Muskoka brewery's Mad Tom IPA though when I can find it.)
07-20-2013 12:02 PM
FXnut
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Originally Posted by fljeepleo View Post
Another one of these?

That was a JKUR.. My last '08. Nice, but I hated the engine. If it had the pentastar I'd probably still have it.

Also, I was never really sure how I felt about 4 doors but with having a small child needing a car seat, it was nice. Now that he's older, I think a 2 dr will do..
07-20-2013 11:58 AM
fljeepleo Another one of these?
07-20-2013 11:55 AM
FXnut
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Originally Posted by Bayouwolf View Post
IMO...It's only worth the price if you're willing to pay for it.

From a logistical standpoint, lockers and disconnects aren't going to do you a whole lot of good in snow/ice or on everyday novice off road trail running (ie, running up to the cottage, driving down an old trail to a trout stream, etc), and the added strength of the D44 up front is going to be wasted if you aren't going to be rock crawling or doing any serious wheeling adventures.

It sounds to me like a Sport is exactly what you want. If you're ordering, just make sure you get the Limited Slip Differential and you shouldn't have any issues getting to where you want to go. Save that extra 10k for Timbits and poutine.

This is probably some of the rougher stuff I've encountered.. Nothing too crazy..



I think I had the sway bar disconnected, but probably not the axles locked.

Timbits and poutine? More likely will be spent on some good beer unlike that watered down stuff they call beer in the US...

I'm thinking a Sport it will be.. now to decide between 4dr and 2dr..
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