|12-06-2013 11:36 PM|
I really don't want to have a never ending feud with you. I've done my best to indicate clearly when I'm voicing an opinion or pipe dream as opposed to when I'm simply laying out facts and numbers. Again, I'm sorry to have offended you.
|12-06-2013 04:40 PM|
what is your opinion ? is the Willys special edition cheaper then a Sport with options ? is that even feasible for jeep to do such a thing ? seems to me like it would derail sales of the sport if they had a cheaper jeep then the cheap jeep lol
|12-06-2013 03:56 PM|
This was emailed back to me...you all asked a question so here's the answer
+$2,600 (From B) / $2,314FWP
+$3,400 (from B) / $3,026FWP
23K-25,795 / 24,864
24K-27,090 / 26,017
23K -$26,990 / 25,928 w/HAA-AC
24K -$28,285/ 27,081 w/HAA-AC
Includes: DME-495/441; AAJ-570/507; 71k-$199/171 ; CWA $75/67; RSC $195/174, 32"Tire/Wheel-$2,200/$1892 ; GCD (Not Normally Available) $495/441
$4,229/3,693 FWP Comparable if added to 2B Sport
before Added Features :Bumper Cover Applique $$/$$; Alternate Color Grill $$/$$; Matte Black Jeep Grille Badge $$/$$; Willys/4Wheel Drive Decals $$/$$; Rubicon Rock Rails $$/$$
+5,500 (From B) $4,895FWP+ $2,900 (From Sport S)
24W 29,190 / 27,886
+5,700 (from B) $5,073 FWP + $3,100 (From Sport S)
23F 28,095 / 26,911
24F 29,390 / 28,064
+$2,600 (From B) / $2,314FWP
23S-28,795 / 27,791
24S-30,090 / 28,944
+$3,400 (from B) / $3,026FWP
23K-29,595 / 28,503
24K-30,890 / 29,656
Includes: DME-495/441; AAJ-570/507; 71k-$199/171 ; CWA $75/67; RSC $195/174, 32"Tire/Wheel-$1,700/$1462 ; GCD (Not Normally Available) $495/441
$3,729/3,263 FWP Comparable if Added to 2C Sport
before Added Features:Bumper Cover Applique $$/$$; Alternate Color Grill $$/$$; Matte Black Jeep Grille Badge $$/$$; Willys/4Wheel Drive Decals $$/$$; Rubicon Rock Rails $$/$$
+5,500 (From B) $4,895FWP+ $2,900 (From Sport S)
23W 31,695 / 30,372
24W 32,990/ 31,525
+2,100/1806 from 23k/24K-Adds:
Security Alarm (LSA)
• Power Heated Mirrors (GTB)
• Remote Keyless Entry (GXM)
• Auto Dim Mirror w/Reading Lamp (GNX)
• Pwr Windows, Front 1-Touch Down (JPY)
• Power Locks (JPB)
Normally AJP- Power is $1,195 on a Rubicon, but that's a package price baked into Rubicon, so there is no apples to apples comparison for sport except the Step up from 23C/24C to 23S/24S , which is $2,600 less the value of the 5-Spoke and Goodyear 255/75R17 OWLs. This puts a $500 value on those Wheels/Tires, which is exactly the same difference between the two prior AAQ-32" Tire & Wheel groups $1,700 and $2,200 respectively.
+5,700 (from B) $5,073 FWP+ $3,100 (From Sport S)
23F 31,895 /30,550
24F 33,190/ 31703
|12-06-2013 02:47 PM|
Base 2 Door MSRP: $23,390
Willy's Package (stick): $3400
Now if you try to option out a Sport B to have the equipment from the Willy's Wheeler Edition:
32" Wheels/Tires/Rubicon Shocks: $2200 (this was the cost of the package 2 months ago, equipment really adds up to more than $3k)
Sirius Radio: $195
Connectivity Group: $570
Slush Mats: $75
3.73 Ratio: $495
Final Price: $27,220
(Keep in mind some of this stuff cannot even be added to a B package and I'm underestimating what the true cost of the tire/wheel/shock combo is)
|12-06-2013 10:29 AM|
Well how about we see some numbers from a CREDIBLE SOURCE, rather then a member who did a google search or just pulled numbers out of his ass.....
and i realize A/C is standard. i just ordered my JKU only 3 months ago, so i know what they come with standard.
to each is own. if you like it buy one, it's not that i don't like it. as i said in one of my prior posts above, its just a weak attempt to spit another special edition out. TO ME when i think of a Willy's i think something more "old school" looking, none metallic colors etc
|12-06-2013 09:48 AM|
Yes, the package did open up and we've ordered our first few of many. We're predicting it's going to be the best selling special edition of the year. Why you ask?
Remember that Wheel and Tire Group a few months back? We ordered the most in area by far (6) and the last one sold yesterday. The longest one sat on our lot was 2 1/2 months.
Whoever said it earlier nailed it on the head. Everyone wonders onto the lot thinking they want a Rubicon but after going over the sway bar disconnect feature, they end up in a Sahara. This is the perfect Wrangler for the casual Wrangler buyer who really, just wants the look without having to pull out the Quadratec/MOPAR catalog.
|12-06-2013 09:44 AM|
|iNtErNeT_rYaN||I like it. I emailed Pat.|
|12-06-2013 03:36 AM|
|JSichthus||I'm not Pat, but I'm pretty sure I heard that ordering opened on 12/4 and deliveries would begin in January or February for the Willys|
|12-06-2013 02:29 AM|
|12-06-2013 12:18 AM|
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|12-05-2013 11:55 PM|
|12-05-2013 10:24 PM|
Hell my 2014 JKU with max tow, anti spin, hard top, A/C and automatic was $31k OTD I'M sorry but thats really unbelieveable or feasible for jeep to sell a special edition version for less then their bottom of the line trim level wrangler....
|12-05-2013 09:50 PM|
It's great for someone like me who all I really want is 3.73 with LSD, AC and maybe power group and to do it with out the base sport wheels. It saves me from finding Rubi take off equipment, gives me the parts to finish the bottom (Wranglers without rails or steps always looked like someone forgot that last bit of trim on below the doors)
It's not nearly as done up as Freedom or Polar editions, but then again it's also several thousand less. For me, I pay a little more than I will for the Sport S like I want it, but also I'd break even after Craiglisting around for someone who added several inches of height to their Rubicon. Problem is, there aren't a lot of people out there like me.
I think what it's REALLY targeted at is that group who goes and buys a bone stock Sport to tow behind an RV or keep up at the cabin. For that kind of usage, it's a GREAT idea. They get a few thousand more out of what really costs them very little money when you like at the DIFFERENCE in cost to Chrysler for all that stuff. And since the only custom bit on there are stickers, if they don't really take off, they aren't looking at crates of seat covers.
My guess is it'll sell great, and here's why.
"Man, Rubicons sure are cool. But I don't need much more than 3.73 gears and some aggressive tires for the off roading I'll be doing. Wait, I can get that, save myself several thousand bucks and get a few more things as well? Sold!" If you just can't justify a Rubicon, but want something that's a bit more capable than the off the lot Sport, it's perfect.
|12-05-2013 07:57 PM|
|12-05-2013 06:50 PM|
i personally think this willy's is a poor attempt from jeep.... when you think Willys you think OD green alot of milatary like decals. while yes i know they have the freedom edition for those wanting a something that semi resembles a military jeep, but in no way shape of form does this offering fit the name of Willys on it.
also with the few options on it. can any of you really justify it being worth more then paying for a Sport or Sport S? honestly ?
|12-05-2013 06:38 PM|
I think the Willy's package breaks down into three parts.
1. The package/options themselves...which in my opinion are fine. Pretty standard stuff for a special edition....wheels and stickers. The pre-selected options are nice, and those are things I would chose on a Wrangler. On disappointment is the interior. This is one of the few special editions ever made that does not have any distinguishing features in the interior....not even a grab handle like the Moab.
Jeep should fix that before production starts.
2. The name....which is a major disappointment. I think a lot of people were expecting something much more grand than the standard wheels and stickers for the Willy's edition. The lack of uniqueness hurts.....especially with the above mentioned interior. If this package had a different name, it would be fine as a special edition package.
3. The price....where I'm still a bit confused. But I'll say this. If the pricing works out to be a good deal, they will fly off the lots. If it works out to be more expensive than simply ordering a Sport or Sport S...yuck. I'm lost on the pricing because I don't know if it is starting as a Sport or Sport S. I'm guessing a base Sport....but I won't be able to judge the pricing until we know the price of the package for both the 2 door and 4 door...and what the price of the power package will be as well. $1200?
I "think" it is a pretty good deal, but I can't say for sure until the pricing is out.
|12-05-2013 04:47 PM|
Take Off Rubi wheels and tires: $650 after selling the stock 16's
Rubi Rails: $150
Warn Trail Bag: $200?
4cans of Plastidip: $30
Add that up and we're sitting at basically $2400...but not spending time and effort putting everything together. The stickers, decals, and whatever "Special Edition Prestige" the buyer thinks they get with a special edition is just icing on the cake. Most if the special editions over the years have cost just as much, but have rarely included more than Rubi tires and lots of stickers.
And again, considering the earlier "Black wheel & Rubi tire" package that cost $2200, this is a bargain coming from the factory.
|12-04-2013 06:52 PM|
|BAMA-S||Yes that helps. Ill just take a close look at the offers none of them have dealer ad dons. Should be easy.|
|12-04-2013 06:49 PM|
|12-04-2013 06:27 PM|
|BAMA-S||Do all dealers use the same msrp? Trying to compare different offers and trying to make sure everything is apples to apples.|
|12-04-2013 09:54 AM|
|12-04-2013 08:12 AM|
I (well my wife, I didn't really care) wanted a JKU in Hydro...after we found out there was a Hydro. We had already purchased a '14 JKU Sahara, and since it would likely never go off road in our lifetime the steps and extra "stuff" was just kinda nice....than we saw a picture of the new Jeeps in Hydro and my wife was very disappointed and honestly so was I......So when I was involved in a traffic accident that I was fairly sure would total the '14 JKU I called the salesman from the ER and asked ya got any of the Blue Jeeps yet? Usual conversation but yeah he would/ could get us one.
Come and see him. We did, and it turned out it would be "dealer locate" and the only ones close were Polars, wife had also decided she wanted a hard top so that pointed more to the Polar as well since the Freedom Edition generally are STs. Yes it was pretty well "Loaded". Did I really WANT all the extra stuff, (leather, heated seats, remote start, yada, yada, yada. I think the salesman said there were only 3 options left of the POLAR
one of them being dual top, trailer tow and gears...not sure. All I knew is my wife would have the Jeep she wanted and at our age the vehicles we have will PROBABLY last us the rest of our lives.
So my whole point to this "rant"? You mentioned in the second paragraph until the market DEMANDS stripped down Jeeps, we would continue to see the SE loaded Saharas etc. because people buy them. I agree but the other thing is which Jeep do they make the most money on the sale? I know you already know the answer, but the point I am trying to make is it won't happen. The person that wants the stripped Jeep will order it and wait. Most of us, not all, don't mind the little extras. And even though my wife kept saying she didn't want and wouldn't use all the extra stuff, with her daughters help she has figured out how to load her entire music library to the Jeep (it has 40G memory) some picture to use, on the NAV screen and linked her flip phone so that she is not digging in her pocket for her cell and drivin'. She also admitted she likes the heated seats, like the TJ has. (long story) Bottom line she is so happy with all the extra's on her Polar IDK that she would ever be satisfied with anything else.
And people likes us that know we will probably never take that Jeep, "OFF-ROAD" are the majority of the ones that are buying the Jeeps. I have an off road toy..my TJ....but most (not all) don't go in and buy a $30-$40K vehicle to take it off road, and they expect it to have everything that you CAN find on a Dodge Dart at a minimum, if not the option for more.
And Chrysler/ Fiat/ whoever is going to make more of those, because the profit margin is higher, more accessories more profit......in '94 I bought a new YJ from the same dealer..and it was stripped not even a radio..and it was the only one on the lot like that and they said than that most people don't buy them that way.
|12-04-2013 01:16 AM|
while the willy's is supposed to be the next new package. it definitely doesn't appeal to all neither does a aftermarket filled jeep...
You consider a sport with a blacked out grill and some black rubicon wheels a "deal" ??? your greatly mistaken to think these things will be flying off the lots. when less then a can of plasti dip and some rubicon take offs would in all reality suffice for the same appearance....
|12-04-2013 12:12 AM|
$2400 for the Willys package. I'm not sure why people feel entitled to a Rubicon for that kind of money. The Moab wheel and Rubi tire package that was available for 5 or 6 days cost $2200. Jeep isn't in the business of fulfilling perceived entitlements for people who want handouts on a $30k vehicle.
None of the special editions are built for everybody, and MOST of them have amounted to little more than stickers and embroidery. Compared to piecemeal option ordering and scrounging on Craigslist for takeoff Rubi parts, the Willys Wheeler is a bargain.
I would have LOVED to see a Jeep with a bedlined tub, 1/2 doors, dual locked Dana44's, flat fenders and 35's....but until the market demands stripped down Jeeps and people start buying them, Jeep has little incentive to build them. Dealerships want loaded Sahara's, Rubicons, Special Editions, and a few Sport S's on the lot because that's what people buy.
I'm not trying to start an argument, just asking that some reality be considered.
|12-03-2013 08:46 PM|
|12-03-2013 05:43 PM|
Jeep proudly introduced the Wrangler Willys Wheeler at the 2013 LA Auto Show. Willys Wheeler will allow customers to connect with the original Jeep vehicle’s rugged and purely functional capability.
Willys Wheeler is available on both 2-door and 4-door Sport models, starting at $25,795. Dealer ordering opens December 4th and vehicles will arrive in early next year in Jeep showrooms.
Jeep 4x4 Components:
•Command Trac®-Transfer Case with 2.72:1 Ratio
•Next Generation Dana 30 Front Axle/HD Dana 44 Rear Axle
•3.73 Axle Ratio with Trac-Lok® Limited Slip Differential
•BFG KM Mud Terrain Tires – LT255/75R17
•High Gloss Black 17” Rubicon” Aluminum Wheels
•Rubicon Rock Rails & Performance Suspension
•New Jeep Trail Rated Kit
Jeep Fact # 181
2014 Jeep Wrangler Willys Wheeler Coming Soon!
•Black Distressed WILLYS decal & 4WHEEL Drive decal
•Sunrider ®Soft Top with Standard Deep Tint
•Rugged Black Spackle Fender Flares with Gloss Black Bumper Appliques
•High Gloss Black Grille
•Available Black Fuel Filler Door & Tail Lamp Guards
•Available ½ DOOR Models on all Trims
|12-03-2013 02:44 PM|
|12-03-2013 12:00 PM|
|12-03-2013 11:58 AM|
|NYPDBLUE||Any word on when the willys wheeler will be available?|
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