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07-26-2013 11:41 AM
cramil Check out Expedition One too. A little spendy, similar look to ARB but made in the USA. And looks like the give 10% off to Military and EMS workers. Mine was on the Jeep when I got it and I haven't fit a winch yet, but i like the look.

Store site:
TJ Jeep Wrangler - expedition one off road equipment

Regular Site:
TJ Wrangler
07-25-2013 04:54 PM
R u s s
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Originally Posted by Wodalo View Post

Dang dude, 35 bucks is a steal. Is that a separate winch plate and grille guard or is it all one piece?
The grill guard and winch plate are one piece you just pop it on the factory bumper. I have a 2.5l so it was one of the lightest options. The guy I bought it from thought the bumper and guard were one part and he had bent the bumper part. So he bought aftermarket instead.
07-25-2013 04:23 PM
Wodalo JCR has been great at answering all my questions btw, I'm not frustrated with them. Just the situation that started as a simple thing and turned into an ordeal. I could go for some good Joshua Tree right now.
07-25-2013 04:02 PM
Wodalo This certainly has become overly complicated...

It started out 2 weeks ago with wanting to take the kids out jeepin, to find out there are only a few places out here to go. Then it turned into planning a trip to the Badlands off road park (on the other end of the state). Then someone said we'd need a winch, so we ordered a winch and planned for this Friday (now tomorrow). Then we get the winch and find out we can't put it on our bumper without an adapter.

I finally just convinced the boss on a JCR bumper to find they are not even painted, and up to a 3 week lead time plus shipping time...

It sure is hard to get your jeep dirty out here...
07-25-2013 12:37 PM
Todd H
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Originally Posted by Wodalo View Post

I think the keeping guard on there keeps it clean looking. I thought they had to come off. It has me wondering if it can just be trimmed to accommodate the winch.
I did have to trim it a little when I put on the bumper. I may try and trim it a little more when I get the winch.
07-25-2013 12:34 PM
Wodalo
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Originally Posted by Todd H View Post
There's holes in the back too. Just haven't figured out yet what I want to do with the cover. Just left it on for now.
I think keeping the guard on there keeps it clean looking. I thought they had to come off. It has me wondering if it can just be trimmed to accommodate the winch.
07-25-2013 12:28 PM
Wodalo
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Originally Posted by R u s s View Post
Mine has a factory warn which bolts over the factory bumper. Got mine of craigslist for 35 bucks here is a pic. Hope this helps
Dang dude, 35 bucks is a steal. Is that a separate winch plate and grille guard or is it all one piece?
07-25-2013 12:07 PM
Todd H
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Originally Posted by Wodalo View Post

Looks cool bro...

I noticed you still have the plastic sway bar cover on there, does that mean you will need to add a winch plate to bolt a winch on, I only see holes for the front bolts?
There's holes in the back too. Just haven't figured out yet what I want to do with the cover. Just left it on for now.
07-25-2013 12:01 PM
Wodalo
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Originally Posted by Todd H View Post
Attachment 277226

Haven't bought my Engo winch yet but it's on my list.
Looks cool bro...

I noticed you still have the plastic sway bar cover on there, does that mean you will need to add a winch plate to bolt a winch on, I only see holes for the front bolts?
07-25-2013 11:53 AM
R u s s Mine has a factory warn which bolts over the factory bumper. Got mine of craigslist for 35 bucks here is a pic. Hope this helps
07-25-2013 11:51 AM
Todd H
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Originally Posted by Wodalo View Post

I saw that one too. We moved here to Indiana from that area. They used to be off the 91 freeway in Riverside or Corona in SoCal. Got any pics of it on your jeep?


Attachment 277226

Haven't bought my Engo winch yet but it's on my list.
07-25-2013 11:34 AM
Wodalo
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Originally Posted by Todd H View Post
I bought the Body Armor tj-19531 bumper last year for a little over $300. It's a pretty solid steel bumper IMO.

I saw that one too. We moved here to Indiana from that area. They used to be off the 91 freeway in Riverside or Corona in SoCal. Got any pics of it on your jeep?
07-25-2013 11:11 AM
Wodalo
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Originally Posted by 1jeeplvr View Post
I was researching this a few weeks back & Jerry B is the one that mentioned the ARB bumper fits the bill.But they are damn spendy
Yeah, Quadratec has a TJ ARB for 500 that sits the winch a couple inches inside. We like that one, it was exactly what we were looking for but it has the opening for a roller fairlead and looks funny with the smaller billet fairlead. I contacted ARB and they said they don't make them for the synthetic winch fairleads. It's a bummer, 500 is more than we wanted to spend, but we would have ordered that one if they made one for the hawse...
07-25-2013 11:01 AM
Todd H I bought the Body Armor tj-19531 bumper last year for a little over $300. It's a pretty solid steel bumper IMO.

07-25-2013 10:49 AM
Wodalo
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Originally Posted by JcrOffroad View Post
The only real disadvantages would be blocking more air flow into the radiator and excessive additional weight. Other than those two factors, it all becomes preference on looks/design.

We don't offer anything like this because of the weight issues. These days, everyone is concerned about too much weight hanging on their Jeeps. Our front SWB bumpers weigh in around 45lbs. An ARB Front, is more than double that.
Thanks JCR. My wife likes the XRC and we got a quote of 332.49 shipped. A new bumper was not in the "plan" but if a new bumper is only a few hundred more than a winch plate for the stock bumper, it's worth considering.

I like your SWB PreRunner Winch Bumper but it costs 100 bucks more shipped... I prefer made in the US, but at the end of the day it's up to the boss. We are planning on getting one next week. Can you tell me the lead time and weight on this bumper?

Thanks.
07-24-2013 09:07 AM
MosesTJ
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Originally Posted by 1jeeplvr View Post
I was researching this a few weeks back & Jerry B is the one that mentioned the ARB bumper fits the bill.But they are damn spendy
Very nice looking pieces. I actually was looking at the tire carrier last year and the price on them has gone up about $200+ since then pushing it out of my range. It was a great deal before but I will look for an alternative.
07-24-2013 07:00 AM
JcrOffroad
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Originally Posted by Wodalo View Post
JCR Offroad explained that the higher/taller bumper is how they achieve a sunken winch, but didn't explain if there was a disadvantage, or why only two bumpers for the TJ are made that way...
The only real disadvantages would be blocking more air flow into the radiator and excessive additional weight. Other than those two factors, it all becomes preference on looks/design.

We don't offer anything like this because of the weight issues. These days, everyone is concerned about too much weight hanging on their Jeeps. Our front SWB bumpers weigh in around 45lbs. An ARB Front, is more than double that.
07-23-2013 07:02 PM
1jeeplvr I was researching this a few weeks back & Jerry B is the one that mentioned the ARB bumper fits the bill.But they are damn spendy
07-23-2013 05:46 PM
Wodalo
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Originally Posted by Ironhead Jed View Post
I dont believe it is "sunken" on the ARB bumpers as much as the bumpers are extremely large and cover more of the top of the winch. all that does is make the bumper even heavier

there is no way that my winch would fit between the frame rails with the steering box there. thats why you wont find any truly sunken winch mounts on a tj
Agreed... as per weight, I saved about 20 lbs going with the synthetic winch so to add it back with a heavier bumper is ok.

Besides, I'm really looking to get my mpg down to about 7. 8mpg just gives me way too much freedom
07-23-2013 05:38 PM
brs256 the arb bumper is isimply taller than normal bumpers, you cant make a winch hidden at normal height because you cant fit a winch in between the fraim rails of a tj
07-23-2013 05:27 PM
Wodalo
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Originally Posted by UnlimitedRubicon View Post
the tubular cross member?
Yes. It seems the ARB and the XHD are the only two that make a taller bumper to sink the winch on a TJ. The winch still sits on the cross member like the other bumpers but the ARB and XHD sit up higher allowing a half sunk winch.

JCR Offroad explained that the higher/taller bumper is how they achieve a sunken winch, but didn't explain if there was a disadvantage, or why only two bumpers for the TJ are made that way...

I contacted ARB and a few fabricators but without custom fabbing something it looks like the XHD is the only one with a sunken winch made for a hawse fairlead.
07-23-2013 03:41 PM
UnlimitedRubicon
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Originally Posted by Wodalo View Post
it seems there is something on the TJ preventing a sunken winch

the tubular cross member?
07-23-2013 03:36 PM
Ironhead Jed I dont believe it is "sunken" on the ARB bumpers as much as the bumpers are extremely large and cover more of the top of the winch. all that does is make the bumper even heavier

there is no way that my winch would fit between the frame rails with the steering box there. thats why you wont find any truly sunken winch mounts on a tj
07-23-2013 03:25 PM
Wodalo Well, after doing a bit of reading, it seems there is something on the TJ preventing a sunken winch. I still don't understand how ARB and Rugged Ridge make the only two bumpers that have a sunken winch. How is it THEY can make one?

The ARB Bull Bar Bumper has it sunk, but has the cut out for the roller fairlead, not the synthetic fairlead (which I have and prefer) leaving ONLY the XHD.

I emailed JCR Offroad, I guess I'll wait and see what they have to say about it.

Thanks for the help.
07-23-2013 02:14 PM
Wodalo
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Originally Posted by kdilly View Post
I STRONGLY reccomend you check out JCR's products.
I just did a write up on one that I ordered about a week ago. My winch is pretty protected because I got the stinger, and it has some gussets on the edge to strengthen it. I would definitely buy from them again.

Here is a link to my write up with pics: http://www.wranglerforum.com/f5/orde...er-246063.html
Thanks... Not exactly what we were looking for but Made in the USA and nice prices puts them on the table. It would be a plus not have a standard "walmart" bumper

I'll have the boss take a look.
07-23-2013 02:07 PM
Wodalo
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Originally Posted by TJDave View Post
The only bumper I ever remember seeing that hold and protects your winch completely inside is the original ARB Bull Bar winch bumper.

But, It's a huge heavy pig, and very expensive.
Yeah... I like the ARB, but 1000 bucks for a bumper would not fly with the boss. Our TJ is still in the "needy teenager" phase, still need the rear 5100s, new BFGs, body mounts, +++.

I was looking at the XHD bumper too but would rather have a one piece bumper, + its pretty expensive too once you add on all the pieces...
07-23-2013 01:42 PM
kdilly I STRONGLY reccomend you check out JCR's products.
I just did a write up on one that I ordered about a week ago. My winch is pretty protected because I got the stinger, and it has some gussets on the edge to strengthen it. I would definitely buy from them again.

Here is a link to my write up with pics: http://www.wranglerforum.com/f5/orde...er-246063.html
07-23-2013 01:37 PM
TJDave The only bumper I ever remember seeing that hold and protects your winch completely inside is the original ARB Bull Bar winch bumper.

But, It's a huge heavy pig, and very expensive.
07-23-2013 01:24 PM
Wodalo
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Originally Posted by Ironhead Jed View Post
spacers are sold in different thicknesses and go above your coils to level out your suspension. when i added a winch it dropped my front nearly an inch, so i went from 2" springs to 3" springs. its a heavy winch, but i would expect the front to drop close to an inch
Thanks... when I went out and stood on my bumper there was no noticeable drop, I don't know if I have heavier duty springs than stock but the front end is very stiff, even more so since I put the Bilsteins on. That being said, I have no doubt adding a 65lb winch and a 65+lb bumper will require some correction. After we decide on what bumper to go with I'll follow up with how much the drop ends up before looking into my options to correct it.

Any suggestions on my bumper question?
07-23-2013 12:43 PM
Ironhead Jed spacers are sold in different thicknesses and go above your coils to level out your suspension. when i added a winch it dropped my front nearly an inch, so i went from 2" springs to 3" springs. its a heavy winch, but i would expect the front to drop close to an inch
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