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07-31-2013 03:52 PM
Rubi513
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Originally Posted by NFRs2000NYC View Post
I want a diesel really badly as well, but I don't want to wait until the 2016s (now rumors that it might be the 18s!!!.

Say it isn't so!!!!!
07-31-2013 01:58 PM
NFRs2000NYC
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Originally Posted by TrueBlueJK View Post
Good luck with your purchase NFR I'm personally gonna wait for a diesel option.
I want a diesel really badly as well, but I don't want to wait until the 2016s (now rumors that it might be the 18s!!!. Also, the redesign will surely make all my parts completely worthless, and I'll be stuck with the hassle of selling a mountain of parts. I guess I'll trade in again for a diesel in 2017
07-31-2013 01:55 PM
NFRs2000NYC
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Originally Posted by Milkman View Post
14 ordering has been open for a month already. Crush is long gone, the color choices to order right now are:

Flame Red
Black
White
Dune
Billet Silver
Anvil

New colors this year (Not open yet)
Hydro Blue (Freedom Edition Only)
Amp'd
Granite Crystal
Copperhead

http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/201...ad-246873.html
I think Ampd will be my color choice this time around...I guess now it's a waiting game. Hopefully they will come out sooner than later.
07-31-2013 11:52 AM
Mxylplyx
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Originally Posted by Numbercruncher View Post
I have been trying that with my Mustang for over a month. Not one offer. I am asking $1,000 less than KBB's highest value. My 'stang has been a garage queen from day one. In three years it has 6,000 miles. It is pristine. So why is nobody buying it? My only answer is that at $28k, most buyers have to finance. I of course need a cash sale. The only way to finance a used vehicle is to buy it from a dealer. So unless a person happens across a buyer with a ton of cash, cars at this price point can really sit in a private party sale.

Also, you'll get a sales tax credit when you trade the vehicle in and once over 23k, you are talking about a $2,000+ credit. That makes trading it in a good deal if you can get close to your private party sale price. The big drawback is having to negotiate two numbers at the dealer.

NC
I just financed a used private party 2012 sahara much like the one the op is selling through my credit union, and it was further complicated since they seller had it financed as well. You just have to shop around to find a bank that is experienced in handling those kind of loan originations. My main credit union wanted to make it much more of a hassle than it needed to be, so I spoke with a different credit union and they handled it within 24hrs no problem. It takes a little cooperation from the seller to make it go smoothly, but it can be pretty painless if your bank is comfortable with it.
07-31-2013 11:07 AM
TrueBlueJK Good luck with your purchase NFR I'm personally gonna wait for a diesel option.
07-31-2013 10:57 AM
Blkfenderslookbetter
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Originally Posted by aypanthony View Post
You should try and sell it privately. Both you and the potential buyer will get a better deal than what you would get through a dealer. Both sides win. Besides, with the cash you have from the sale, you will have a lot more bargaining power with your 2014 purchase.

It sounds good... but rarely the case. And when you add the hassle-factor of a private sale, it turns against you in a hurry. It works best for vehicles at the lower end of the price point, but even then it's not the greatest.

Indiana has a sales tax of 7%. So right off the bat, you have to sell your vehicle privately for at least 7% more than the trade offer just to BREAK EVEN. If you're lucky and find a cash buyer willing to give you full price for your vehicle, by the time to calculate the actual profits, it's not more than a couple of hundred dollars on the average $20K vehicle. Factor in the time involved placing ads, answering phone calls, getting your title, filling out the bill of sale...etc. and waiting for days/weeks or more. It just gets to thin for the effort involved. Oh, and after the sale maybe you don't have a means of transportation until your next purchase...

And then!... and this is very true, the smokin' deal that the dealer had on the vehicle you wanted vanished overnight, which again will eat up the profits.

Like many things, everybody has an opinion but when I'm in the notion of getting a new car... I want it NOW. And when I find the deal I'm looking for, I make it right then. Delays will usually cost me.
07-30-2013 09:03 PM
NFRs2000NYC
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Originally Posted by jadmt View Post
there are 14's on lots so I am sure certain colors can be ordered.
Oh, good to know. I guess no "interesting" colors are available yet like AMPd, etc. Sucks that crush is done. I love mine.
07-30-2013 08:59 PM
jadmt there are 14's on lots so I am sure certain colors can be ordered.
07-30-2013 08:58 PM
Scott in Houston
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Originally Posted by NFRs2000NYC View Post
Then it's probably 6speed. Im just not active on that or L4P anymore.
6Speed it is... I was never active on L4P. The guys who started that are a little goofy for me.

Check out, OfftheLimiter.com. Good guys there.
07-30-2013 08:57 PM
Numbercruncher
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Originally Posted by NFRs2000NYC View Post
Do you guys know if the 14s can be ordered yet? According to this you can but I don't think it's credible.

LeasePlan - 2013 Order Cutoff Dates & 2014 Start-up Dates
Some have had orders placed for six weeks. Production began a few weeks ago and 2014's are definitely starting to show up. All the dealers I have scanned with Wranglers "In Transit" are 2014's.

NC
07-30-2013 08:54 PM
NFRs2000NYC Do you guys know if the 14s can be ordered yet? According to this you can but I don't think it's credible.

http://www.leaseplan.com/pu/enUS/201...Start-up_Dates
07-30-2013 08:54 PM
Numbercruncher
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Originally Posted by NFRs2000NYC View Post
So both crush and gecko are dead!?
Yes and for a long time. Crush, Dozer and Gecko died in October, November and December of last year. There are NO cool colors yet for 2014. I have spent hours searching inventory for 6 speed Rubicons in the three aforementioned colors and have not found one in Washington, Oregon, Idaho, Colorado, Wyoming, Michigan and a half dozen other states. I am trying to work a deal on a black 2013 right now. Not crazy about the color but if the numbers make sense, I'll jump instead of waiting six weeks for a 2014. Summer in the PNW will be over by then.

NC

Edit: Dead means no more new JK's being produced in those colors. I have seen a few sport models still floating around but no Rubi's.
07-30-2013 08:50 PM
NFRs2000NYC
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Originally Posted by Numbercruncher View Post
Sorry bud but Crush got killed off about nine months ago. You can't even find a new 6 speed Rubicon anywhere on the West coast in Crush, Dozer or Gecko. Trust me I have looked.

NC
So both crush and gecko are dead!?
07-30-2013 08:50 PM
NFRs2000NYC
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Originally Posted by Scott in Houston View Post
Ha. me too.

I'm a mod on Teamspeed.com, 6speed.com, funcarsonline.com
and very active on
m5board.com, rennlist.com, audizine.com, lotustalk.com, and tired of typing... too many others to list.
Then it's probably 6speed. Im just not active on that or L4P anymore.
07-30-2013 08:41 PM
Numbercruncher
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Originally Posted by NFRs2000NYC View Post
Thanks for the help guys. Will go tomorrow to the dealer and see what's what. Anyone have a clue when the 14 order banks open up? Would be pissed if crush is killed off.
Sorry bud but Crush got killed off about nine months ago. You can't even find a new 6 speed Rubicon anywhere on the West coast in Crush, Dozer or Gecko. Trust me I have looked.

NC
07-30-2013 08:36 PM
Numbercruncher
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Originally Posted by aypanthony View Post
You should try and sell it privately. Both you and the potential buyer will get a better deal than what you would get through a dealer. Both sides win. Besides, with the cash you have from the sale, you will have a lot more bargaining power with your 2014 purchase.
I have been trying that with my Mustang for over a month. Not one offer. I am asking $1,000 less than KBB's highest value. My 'stang has been a garage queen from day one. In three years it has 6,000 miles. It is pristine. So why is nobody buying it? My only answer is that at $28k, most buyers have to finance. I of course need a cash sale. The only way to finance a used vehicle is to buy it from a dealer. So unless a person happens across a buyer with a ton of cash, cars at this price point can really sit in a private party sale.

Also, you'll get a sales tax credit when you trade the vehicle in and once over 23k, you are talking about a $2,000+ credit. That makes trading it in a good deal if you can get close to your private party sale price. The big drawback is having to negotiate two numbers at the dealer.

NC
07-30-2013 08:31 PM
Scott in Houston
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Originally Posted by NFRs2000NYC View Post
You know me from s2ki. A better question would be what forums I'm NOT on lol.
Ha. me too.

I'm a mod on Teamspeed.com, 6speed.com, funcarsonline.com
and very active on
m5board.com, rennlist.com, audizine.com, lotustalk.com, and tired of typing... too many others to list.
07-30-2013 08:26 PM
Milkman
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Originally Posted by NFRs2000NYC View Post
Thanks for the help guys. Will go tomorrow to the dealer and see what's what. Anyone have a clue when the 14 order banks open up? Would be pissed if crush is killed off.
14 ordering has been open for a month already. Crush is long gone, the color choices to order right now are:

Flame Red
Black
White
Dune
Billet Silver
Anvil

New colors this year (Not open yet)
Hydro Blue (Freedom Edition Only)
Amp'd
Granite Crystal
Copperhead

http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/201...ad-246873.html
07-30-2013 08:03 PM
NFRs2000NYC
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Originally Posted by peanut09 View Post
You pay taxes on the difference of your trade and the new jeep. Lets say you get 28K for your jeep and you pay 34K for the new one you only pay tax on 6K. It has nothing to do with what you finance.
Thanks a lot. Going to hit two dealers tomorrow and pin them against each other. However, since I am looking for a 14, they may not care too much since they can't sell me anything "that day." I have noticed that usually dealers don't play ball unless you are willing to drive off that afternoon. Their loss, since in a few months I will be picking up TWO Diesel GC Summit's....maybe I'll let them know so that they try and treat me a little better.
07-30-2013 07:52 PM
peanut09
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Originally Posted by NFRs2000NYC View Post
I'm trying to avoid private sale. I need a vehicle for ferrying my daughter around so I can't have a break in vehicles. Also took me nearly 3 months and a lot of hassle to privately sell my old Acura. Really would be ideal to trade this one, order a new one and drive mine in and pull off in the new one when it arrives.

Question, what happens to all the taxes I paid on the current Jeep? I financed it with $16000 down.
You pay taxes on the difference of your trade and the new jeep. Lets say you get 28K for your jeep and you pay 34K for the new one you only pay tax on 6K. It has nothing to do with what you finance.
07-30-2013 07:52 PM
NFRs2000NYC Thanks for the help guys. Will go tomorrow to the dealer and see what's what. Anyone have a clue when the 14 order banks open up? Would be pissed if crush is killed off.
07-30-2013 07:51 PM
NFRs2000NYC
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Originally Posted by Scott in Houston View Post

What other forums are you on? I know your avatar/handle from somewhere. I had an Acura and used to get on Acura-zine or something like that. I'm also a mod on several other forums... just curious.
You know me from s2ki. A better question would be what forums I'm NOT on lol.
07-30-2013 07:29 PM
i82much
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Originally Posted by jadmt View Post
I remember you were from Spokane what dealer did you go thru? I am trying to trade my unlimited sport on a rubi.
I got the '12 from Dave Smith and traded it in at Barton up on the north side. They were actually pretty easy to deal with, some of their reviews weren't great but I thought I got a pretty sweet deal. We had it all worked out by email, guy there named John Berger.
07-30-2013 07:26 PM
Scott in Houston
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Originally Posted by NFRs2000NYC View Post
I'm trying to avoid private sale. I need a vehicle for ferrying my daughter around so I can't have a break in vehicles. Also took me nearly 3 months and a lot of hassle to privately sell my old Acura. Really would be ideal to trade this one, order a new one and drive mine in and pull off in the new one when it arrives.

Question, what happens to all the taxes I paid on the current Jeep? I financed it with $16000 down.
What other forums are you on? I know your avatar/handle from somewhere. I had an Acura and used to get on Acura-zine or something like that. I'm also a mod on several other forums... just curious.
07-30-2013 07:16 PM
jadmt
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Originally Posted by i82much View Post
I traded in a '12 Rubi two door for a '13 four door, had 20k miles on it at the time. I got back 3,000 less than what I paid for the 2 door and got the '13 at USAA prices. Just ballparking but assuming you got a decent deal on your '12 and you can trade it in for between 4k and 5k less than what you paid for it, I think you did ok.
I remember you were from Spokane what dealer did you go thru? I am trying to trade my unlimited sport on a rubi.
07-30-2013 07:15 PM
panthermark
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Originally Posted by NFRs2000NYC View Post
I'm trying to avoid private sale. I need a vehicle for ferrying my daughter around so I can't have a break in vehicles. Also took me nearly 3 months and a lot of hassle to privately sell my old Acura. Really would be ideal to trade this one, order a new one and drive mine in and pull off in the new one when it arrives.

Question, what happens to all the taxes I paid on the current Jeep? I financed it with $16000 down.
Your best bet is a trade-in.....especially if you get a good dealer that won't hassle you too much on the miles.

When I ordered my Wrangler, I got the trade-in amount on my Libby from the dealer. They basically not to put a bunch of miles on it (or wreck it)....and that was it. I kept my Libby until I drove it to the dealer to pick up my Wrangler a month later. The tax credit on a high value trade-in is really nice. If taxes are 7.5%, and you get $20G for your trade-in...it is like selling it privately for $21.5G....only without the hassle.
07-30-2013 07:02 PM
i82much I traded in a '12 Rubi two door for a '13 four door, had 20k miles on it at the time. I got back 3,000 less than what I paid for the 2 door and got the '13 at USAA prices. Just ballparking but assuming you got a decent deal on your '12 and you can trade it in for between 4k and 5k less than what you paid for it, I think you did ok.
07-30-2013 06:21 PM
jadmt you eat the taxes but you don't pay taxes on the trade diff. so say your new vehicle is 40K and you have to borrow 20K then you only pay tax on 20K.
07-30-2013 05:54 PM
NFRs2000NYC I'm trying to avoid private sale. I need a vehicle for ferrying my daughter around so I can't have a break in vehicles. Also took me nearly 3 months and a lot of hassle to privately sell my old Acura. Really would be ideal to trade this one, order a new one and drive mine in and pull off in the new one when it arrives.

Question, what happens to all the taxes I paid on the current Jeep? I financed it with $16000 down.
07-30-2013 05:37 PM
panthermark
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Originally Posted by aypanthony View Post
You should try and sell it privately. Both you and the potential buyer will get a better deal than what you would get through a dealer. Both sides win. Besides, with the cash you have from the sale, you will have a lot more bargaining power with your 2014 purchase.
I agree that you normally get more when you sell privately.....but this is a tough situation.

If I'm buyer, I know I would get a better interest rate and a full warranty, and a clean car history if I buy new...especially if we are talking 3-4% below invoice. It would have to be a heck of a deal to make me go used.

If I'm the seller, I'm not sure if I want to wait on a private buyer to come up with $30,000 for a used vehicle. And depending on the state, the trade-in offset on the sales tax could be massive, and would offset any extra money made on a private sale.
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