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11-18-2014 10:15 PM
Rancho Yes.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jacky_JK View Post
Hey Rancho, I have a cost related question:
My wonderful fiancé had her little brother trick me into telling him which lift I thought his buddy should get for his 2 dr JK (exactly the same as mine). I had been doing research and told him that the 66108BR9 2" Sport lift seemed like the best deal. Well it turns out she was trying to figure out what to get me for my birthday...

She went ahead and ordered the 66108BR5 (not knowing there was any difference between shocks. She doesn't even know what shocks are) and I graciously accepted the gift. Before I knew what hit me I was installing the lift. The trouble is, for only $150 more I could have had the 9000xl shocks.

Is it true that buying a set of four 9000xl shocks is going to cost me approximately the same as the 66108BR9 kit??

Sorry for the long story.
11-18-2014 09:31 PM
Jacky_JK
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rancho View Post
We are trying to reach a certain price point, so that is one reason we don't add these to this system. We do offer them separately though.
Hey Rancho, I have a cost related question:
My wonderful fiancé had her little brother trick me into telling him which lift I thought his buddy should get for his 2 dr JK (exactly the same as mine). I had been doing research and told him that the 66108BR9 2" Sport lift seemed like the best deal. Well it turns out she was trying to figure out what to get me for my birthday...

She went ahead and ordered the 66108BR5 (not knowing there was any difference between shocks. She doesn't even know what shocks are) and I graciously accepted the gift. Before I knew what hit me I was installing the lift. The trouble is, for only $150 more I could have had the 9000xl shocks.

Is it true that buying a set of four 9000xl shocks is going to cost me approximately the same as the 66108BR9 kit??

Sorry for the long story.
11-16-2014 05:51 PM
Turchman
Quote:
Originally Posted by NoGaBiker View Post
I can speak to the theoreticals of your question. But I honestly don't think there is a practical disadvantage that you would notice with just a 2" lift. The physics works like this (wish I had a pencil and a napkin so I could draw it): The swaybar is a thick piece of steel running from side to side between your axles, with two short ends that bend at 90deg and run backwards. Those ends are roughly 8-10" on the JK, iirc. They are attached to your suspension by means of a vertical endlink that can pivot. The main cross piece of the swaybar is attached to your Jeep's frame in a couple of bushings. So when the left front tire drops down in a pothole, it pulls the left side short swaybar arm down with it, since they're attached by the end-link. If both wheels have dropped down in the same hole, then both of the short ends of the swaybar drop down, causing the swaybar to harmlessly just rotate in its bushings -- it effectively does nothing. But if one side drops down in the hole while the other side stays up on the surface, you can see how only one side of the swaybar can rotate down. So it creates a torsion force in the bar, that actually twists the body of the steel bar in order to allow that suspension piece to drop down into the hole. So the bar is designed with a certain thickness, and the short arms are designed with a certain length, so they will apply an exact amount of twisting force into the bar, which impacts how much the suspension can move (relative to the other side). It is all engineered rather precisely. So, if you cant the bar down so that the arms are now pointing down instead of horizontal, they effectively become shorter. To understand that, picture that they pivoted all the way down to where they were pointing straight down. They would have zero leverage and impart zero torque into the swaybar. So if you are shortening them you are reducing the effectiveness of the swaybar, same as if you decreased the diameter of it. And the net effect to you, the driver, is that the swaybar becomes less effective, so when you go around a corner at speed on the road, you body will now sway more and the Jeep will feel more like it is going to tip over. All of this, though, will amount to a very small amount of difference with this kit. In fact, I installed the Rancho 2" one weekend, and discovered that JKS had shipped me the wrong set of adjustable swaybar disconnects (labelled properly, just the wrong set in the package.) It took about a week to get the new ones and install them, and I was unable to tell a difference one way or the other on the street. The swaybar is not labeled in this picture, but you can see it attached to the top of No. 5, which are the endlinks.
Thanks, that makes sense.
11-14-2014 06:28 AM
Treeturdy
Quote:
Originally Posted by 12thman View Post
sorry, didnt know if they made a size for a 2" lift or just a 0-2"..
11-13-2014 11:23 PM
12thman
Quote:
Originally Posted by Treeturdy View Post
What rancho 9000xls should i use with a teraflex bb leveling it? 2in front 1in back
http://www.gorancho.com/products/sho...ler-4wd-166389

C'mon, man. Use your tools.
11-13-2014 06:35 PM
Treeturdy What rancho 9000xls should i use with a teraflex bb leveling it? 2in front 1in back
11-11-2014 12:42 PM
NoGaBiker
Quote:
Originally Posted by Turchman View Post
My question is, what are the negatives at this lift height of not replacing them? If there are any, it should be stated to the consumer (me). Not everyone spends the time researching on forums, etc., and may just buy this kit from the website.

If it does not adversely affect handling, then we are fine.
I can speak to the theoreticals of your question. But I honestly don't think there is a practical disadvantage that you would notice with just a 2" lift.

The physics works like this (wish I had a pencil and a napkin so I could draw it):

The swaybar is a thick piece of steel running from side to side between your axles, with two short ends that bend at 90deg and run backwards. Those ends are roughly 8-10" on the JK, iirc. They are attached to your suspension by means of a vertical endlink that can pivot. The main cross piece of the swaybar is attached to your Jeep's frame in a couple of bushings.

So when the left front tire drops down in a pothole, it pulls the left side short swaybar arm down with it, since they're attached by the end-link. If both wheels have dropped down in the same hole, then both of the short ends of the swaybar drop down, causing the swaybar to harmlessly just rotate in its bushings -- it effectively does nothing.

But if one side drops down in the hole while the other side stays up on the surface, you can see how only one side of the swaybar can rotate down. So it creates a torsion force in the bar, that actually twists the body of the steel bar in order to allow that suspension piece to drop down into the hole. So the bar is designed with a certain thickness, and the short arms are designed with a certain length, so they will apply an exact amount of twisting force into the bar, which impacts how much the suspension can move (relative to the other side). It is all engineered rather precisely.

So, if you cant the bar down so that the arms are now pointing down instead of horizontal, they effectively become shorter. To understand that, picture that they pivoted all the way down to where they were pointing straight down. They would have zero leverage and impart zero torque into the swaybar.

So if you are shortening them you are reducing the effectiveness of the swaybar, same as if you decreased the diameter of it.

And the net effect to you, the driver, is that the swaybar becomes less effective, so when you go around a corner at speed on the road, you body will now sway more and the Jeep will feel more like it is going to tip over.

All of this, though, will amount to a very small amount of difference with this kit. In fact, I installed the Rancho 2" one weekend, and discovered that JKS had shipped me the wrong set of adjustable swaybar disconnects (labelled properly, just the wrong set in the package.) It took about a week to get the new ones and install them, and I was unable to tell a difference one way or the other on the street.

The swaybar is not labeled in this picture, but you can see it attached to the top of No. 5, which are the endlinks.

11-11-2014 11:29 AM
Rancho We aren't given any "heads up" on this but I do know that besides our spring promo. Nov/Dec have some of the best deals of the year. A lot of places will offer 20% (or so) and that is better than the promo deal most of the time. Good luck!

Quote:
Originally Posted by M_Jaco View Post
Hey Matt, are you aware of any Black Friday sales in the works for these?
11-10-2014 11:29 PM
M_Jaco Hey Matt, are you aware of any Black Friday sales in the works for these?
10-25-2014 12:41 PM
mpb1335 Update:

2" Rancho Sport Lift with 9000s
Just added Grabber AT2 295/75R16 on 16" Level 8 Strikes

I think I'm on a Jeep spending break now...
10-11-2014 12:08 AM
gking Rancho 2" Sport kit with 9000s installed!! Great Fix for heavy bumper/ winch weight on stock wheel/tire setup IMHO :-)
10-08-2014 11:21 PM
Turchman
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rancho View Post
One "negative" that comes to mind is flex. But also the shocks will limit this as well. We wouldn't release it if there were any serious issues.
Thank you for the replies Rancho dude. I feel better.
10-08-2014 10:26 PM
Rancho Correct! These are for a 3-4" system, I wasn't too sure in the original post.
Sorry if there was a confusion.
Quote:
Originally Posted by sstan View Post
I think Rancho misunderstood that you were looking for an adjustable sway bar link. He gave you a part number for a quick disconnect that is a fixed length. There are several adjustable ones available on Quadratec.

But you do not want the quick discos P/N RS6756B for the 2" lift. Here's a review of them:

They do not specifiy a lift height for these disconnects. They are most likely for a 4"-6" lift. The main tubes are actually not tubes at all but solid metal. I have a 2" leveling lift and had to cut and drill new holes for the kit to work with my little lift. I am very impressed with the solid construction of the kit and would recommend them to anybody.
10-08-2014 08:27 PM
Mclunk
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rancho View Post
We are trying to reach a certain price point, so that is one reason we don't add these to this system. We do offer them separately though.
I am going to be buying the 2" sport kit w/9000xl shocks soon and am curious, it sounds like it may not be "necessary" to replace the sway bar links, but would probably be better to do so. Are there any other parts that are technically ok but would benefit from being replaced/added?
10-08-2014 06:46 PM
sstan I think Rancho misunderstood that you were looking for an adjustable sway bar link. He gave you a part number for a quick disconnect that is a fixed length. There are several adjustable ones available on Quadratec.

But you do not want the quick discos P/N RS6756B for the 2" lift. Here's a review of them:

They do not specifiy a lift height for these disconnects. They are most likely for a 4"-6" lift. The main tubes are actually not tubes at all but solid metal. I have a 2" leveling lift and had to cut and drill new holes for the kit to work with my little lift. I am very impressed with the solid construction of the kit and would recommend them to anybody.
10-08-2014 05:14 PM
ljvsnyder I can't find them on your web site, but amazon shows them for the 4 inch system.
10-08-2014 02:56 PM
Rancho The P/N for the quick disconnects is P/N RS6756B
10-08-2014 02:05 PM
ljvsnyder What is the part number for the adjustable sway bar end links?
10-08-2014 01:19 PM
Rancho One "negative" that comes to mind is flex. But also the shocks will limit this as well. We wouldn't release it if there were any serious issues.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Turchman View Post
My question is, what are the negatives at this lift height of not replacing them? If there are any, it should be stated to the consumer (me). Not everyone spends the time researching on forums, etc., and may just buy this kit from the website.

If it does not adversely affect handling, then we are fine.
10-08-2014 12:59 PM
Turchman
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rancho View Post
We are trying to reach a certain price point, so that is one reason we don't add these to this system. We do offer them separately though.
My question is, what are the negatives at this lift height of not replacing them? If there are any, it should be stated to the consumer (me). Not everyone spends the time researching on forums, etc., and may just buy this kit from the website.

If it does not adversely affect handling, then we are fine.
10-08-2014 10:59 AM
Rancho We are trying to reach a certain price point, so that is one reason we don't add these to this system. We do offer them separately though.
10-07-2014 11:20 PM
Turchman
Quote:
Originally Posted by JakerJKU View Post
easy fix, but a set of rear sway bar end links from the local auto parts store, they are longer and will level out your sway bar or, now is the time to upgrade the front with adjustable sway bar disconnect links
The second option makes the most sense. It just seems like an oversight.
10-07-2014 10:08 PM
JakerJKU
Quote:
Originally Posted by Turchman View Post
So, I installed the 2" Sport lift with the 9000XL shocks this weekend. It took longer than expected, but the directions are very well written, so most of the blame goes to my lack of experience. One issue I have, is that it doesn't address the sway bar end links. I think it should come with longer links, the sway bar is now angled down, instead of parallel.
easy fix, but a set of rear sway bar end links from the local auto parts store, they are longer and will level out your sway bar or, now is the time to upgrade the front with adjustable sway bar disconnect links
10-06-2014 01:46 PM
Turchman So, I installed the 2" Sport lift with the 9000XL shocks this weekend. It took longer than expected, but the directions are very well written, so most of the blame goes to my lack of experience.

One issue I have, is that it doesn't address the sway bar end links. I think it should come with longer links, the sway bar is now angled down, instead of parallel.
10-06-2014 11:23 AM
Rancho It is CRAZY how popular this thread is, I also really like your other upgrade thread too..

Quote:
Originally Posted by onetraveller View Post
MPB,
I've upgraded my Sport Kit lift with new rear coils and many other components. The details are in the link in my sig.

I'll jump to flat fenders and 35s in the spring. The lift has been well worth the money. Glad you are enjoying yours. It's stunned me on how long this thread has lived, but I'm glad to see people are enjoying the info.


Mike
10-05-2014 01:02 PM
12thman I run 35s on 16s. The only wheels people confirmed fit at 15 inched weren't wheels I wanted. I went with 16s to make sure.
10-05-2014 12:07 PM
onetraveller MPB,
I've upgraded my Sport Kit lift with new rear coils and many other components. The details are in the link in my sig.

I'll jump to flat fenders and 35s in the spring. The lift has been well worth the money. Glad you are enjoying yours. It's stunned me on how long this thread has lived, but I'm glad to see people are enjoying the info.


Mike
10-05-2014 11:01 AM
mpb1335 Gonna revive this thread, so any answers are greatly appreciated.

Looking to move up my tire size but don't want to end up with buyers remorse of getting only 33s. I've got a 2010 JKR, auto 3.8, 4.10, with the Rancho 2" installed on 9000s. Can I safely go to a 35 on 15" rim/has anyone done it? I plan on eventually upgrading my coils and don't want to temporarily run 33s just to end up getting 35s. I understand I'll lose some articulation but I'm willing to sacrifice it for the long term goal.

Thanks in advance! And of note, the 2" kit is still doing great here in AZ.
09-15-2014 11:12 PM
Turchman Looks good, I can't wait to get mine!
09-15-2014 11:06 PM
mpb1335
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Originally Posted by gunmn74 View Post
Before: after: cool finished shot:
Looks great! I'm sure you're enjoying how it rides as well. Doing your own lift is incredibly rewarding, especially knowing how much $$ you saved and how much you learned about your Jeep.
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