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08-02-2009 09:22 AM
Hilldweller
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Originally Posted by jk'n View Post
Hilldweller,

Now I know why you like the camping style and spent so much money on the rig (I'm jealous). You like to get way out into the wilderness and watch all those chemicals interact.

jk'n
Yesterday; is mud a chemical?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LkQf2m1c8Q





07-31-2009 10:05 PM
jk'n Hilldweller,

Now I know why you like the camping style and spent so much money on the rig (I'm jealous). You like to get way out into the wilderness and watch all those chemicals interact. I especially like the chemical experiments with the chemical depicted in your signature!

BTW, I didn't know the chemical process but was aware for instance that Windex on plastic = foggy windows that eventually become opaque. I had heard that it dissolves and moves the surface molecules around. What you say makes sense based on what I have seen. I enjoy science but strictly as a hobby. My sister is the research scientist (translate doctor) that studies things like surface tensions of metals. I leave the minute details to her. I just like having fun with the stuff.

jk'n
07-31-2009 07:03 PM
Blackbeard1718 WOW! Buncha GREAT info on this Forum! Thanks again everyone!

I'll try the soap and candle wax and see how that does. It's GOTTA be better than what I'm doing now. I like the idea of the added "Handles" for the zippers. Mine has Pull Tabs on them, but a bit longer would be better.

Cheers!

BB
07-31-2009 05:23 PM
Hilldweller
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Originally Posted by daggo66 View Post
That's not what happens to the vinyl windows when they come in contact with petroleum product. The vinyl will become opaque.
Right. And the chemical process by which they become opaque is called crazing. That opacity is actually the plastic changing at a molecular level, cracking, and becoming brittle.
I'm the senior administrator in a LifeSciences/Chemical Analysis training lab. This is what I do; I work with petro-chemical alchemists and help them make their devil's brews...
07-31-2009 02:08 PM
JDsDream The rear window is the worst but here are a few things I have found to make it easier. When putting the window in start on your left. lay the right side of the bar inside on the wheel well for support, make sure your zippers are properly lined up in the foot and pull down on the corner of the window as you pull the zipper up to insure that they stay that way. The corners are a pita also. When you get to the corner apply pressure to smooth the curve and the zipper should go on around. Another thing that you might try is opening the sunrider and leave the rear window in while driving. This does cause it to stretch a little. This is also good to remove creases after reattaching your windows.
07-31-2009 01:29 PM
daggo66
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hilldweller View Post
From GE:

Q. What is crazing, and how do I prevent it from occurring on my running trays?


A. Crazing is the appearance of hundreds of micro-sized cracks on the surface of plastic, causing it to turn somewhat opaque. This phenomenon is usually caused by exposure to organic solvents or a germicidal (ultraviolet) lamp. Running trays are manufactured out of acrylic plastic, which is technically a semi-solid liquid with an oil base. If enough of these oils are leached away by exposure to ethanol or other organic solvents, then the plastic becomes 'crazed' with hundreds of tiny cracks. Eventually, the plastic can crack into several pieces.

To prevent crazing or cracking, do not expose the trays to solutions or vapors of aromatic or halogenated hydrocarbons, ketones, esters, alcohols (over 30%) or concentrated acids (over 25%). Cleaning the unit with soap and water after each use should be sufficient.
That's not what happens to the vinyl windows when they come in contact with petroleum product. The vinyl will become opaque.
07-31-2009 12:25 PM
hawkzrno1 Interesting to know about the plastic cleaner.
Have small spring loaded key ring holders on
all my zippers to give me something to pull on with a better grip.
Good luck and have fun with your new "toy".
Welcome to the forum from another newbie.
Craig.
07-31-2009 12:05 PM
deekum1627 good to know
07-31-2009 12:02 PM
Levinoss Soap or Candle wax for the zippers and I put zip ties on all my zippers so the velcro would stop tearing up my knuckles.
07-31-2009 11:28 AM
Geoff@Bestop -Don't use Rainex on the plastic. We make a cleaner for vinyl, but so do others.
-Max speed: I don't know either, but the air should flow right on thru and cause few problems.
-JP Magazine did a test of soft top cleaners. July 2006 Cleaning Kits - Jp Magazine.

-Zippers are a PITA. They need to be small enough to navigate the corners, so we can't use the big momma zippers.

-You can also use glycerin soap to lubricate the zippers. The advantage over wax is that the soap will wash out when everything gets really dusty.
07-31-2009 10:45 AM
jk'n
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Originally Posted by Blackbeard1718 View Post
Another question for y'all. Are the Zippers supposed to be a PIA when Zipping In/Out the Windows? Not so much the Side Windows, but the Back Window can be a real bear. The right side doesn't come down all of the way, and stops about an inch from the end. Does it "S-T-R-E-T-C-H" over time and use, and get easier, or do you apply something to the zipper to make it easier to zip? (If, "YES", please say Plexus!)
BB

I take an old candle and use the wax for application to the zipper. Works even better on a warm day. Once the zipper is waxed, it will operate nicely for some time. Then just wax again.
07-31-2009 10:06 AM
Hilldweller
Quote:
Originally Posted by daggo66 View Post
"Crazing?" I think you meant "glazing!"
From GE:

Q. What is crazing, and how do I prevent it from occurring on my running trays?


A. Crazing is the appearance of hundreds of micro-sized cracks on the surface of plastic, causing it to turn somewhat opaque. This phenomenon is usually caused by exposure to organic solvents or a germicidal (ultraviolet) lamp. Running trays are manufactured out of acrylic plastic, which is technically a semi-solid liquid with an oil base. If enough of these oils are leached away by exposure to ethanol or other organic solvents, then the plastic becomes 'crazed' with hundreds of tiny cracks. Eventually, the plastic can crack into several pieces.

To prevent crazing or cracking, do not expose the trays to solutions or vapors of aromatic or halogenated hydrocarbons, ketones, esters, alcohols (over 30%) or concentrated acids (over 25%). Cleaning the unit with soap and water after each use should be sufficient.

07-31-2009 08:19 AM
Blackbeard1718 Thanks for all of the responses, Folks! I appreciate it! Yes, the Sail Panels are the two rear corner sections of the Soft Top, that clip on the back of the tub, on either side of the tailgate. I'll have to check for a zipper in the Sail Panels!

I actually had the top down for about a week, and then, YESTERDAY..... lo and behold..... we had "RAIN" for at least 10 minutes!!! If you're from Texas, you'll understand! We've had a helluva drought this year, and we're in Stage 2 Water Restrictions. We've also had record, "Number of Days 100+ Degrees" for the month of July. Something like 29-30 Days out of 31. PHEEEEEW! My Riding Lawn Mower hasn't been ridden in a month. Why blow dirt when I don't need to?

MAN! I Hijacked my own thread!

Back-On-Track: Plexus! YES! Great stuff! Matter of fact, I have two cans in the garage cabinet. I used it for my former bike windshield (sold the bike two weeks ago...). Now I'll use it for the Soft Top Windows.

I found quite a few links online, that referred to RaggTopp Vinyl Cleaner and Protectant. I just ordered a bottle of each from JC Whitney (they beat the other online dealers by $2...).

Another question for y'all. Are the Zippers supposed to be a PIA when Zipping In/Out the Windows? Not so much the Side Windows, but the Back Window can be a real bear. The right side doesn't come down all of the way, and stops about an inch from the end. Does it "S-T-R-E-T-C-H" over time and use, and get easier, or do you apply something to the zipper to make it easier to zip? (If, "YES", please say Plexus!)

Thanks again! I'm really glad to be a part of this Forum! Lotsa GREAT Jeepers on here!

Cheers!

BB
07-31-2009 06:35 AM
AndyLA Plexus...use it all aerospace applications. The best on plastic.
07-31-2009 06:19 AM
daggo66
Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackbeard1718 View Post
3. With the three windows zipped out, and the Sail Panel still attached, what's a safe speed to max out at, without fear of losing or ripping the Sail Panels off? Please keep in mind that this is an '09 Wrangler X, and the Sail Panels have the Stiffners installed. I ALMOST ordered a set of the Clover Patch Convert-A-Top bags to roll my Sail Panels up in, but there was a note, that said it WOULD NOT WORK for the '09's, because the Sail Panels had the Stiffners installed. Indeed they do!
You did the hard part, just pop the latches and drop the top!
07-31-2009 06:17 AM
daggo66
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Originally Posted by Hilldweller View Post

"Crazing?" I think you meant "glazing!"
07-31-2009 05:08 AM
Hilldweller
Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackbeard1718 View Post
1. What do you use to clean & remove light scratches for the plastic windows? Plexus; great product from the aerospace industry.
2. Is it Ok/Not Ok, to use Rain-X on the plastic windows? I think they make a version for plastic; the glass version contains petroleum distillates which cause "crazing" of the plastic, rendering it a milky-white. Use the Plexus and you won't need Rain-X.
3. With the three windows zipped out, and the Sail Panel still attached, what's a safe speed to max out at, without fear of losing or ripping the Sail Panels off? The roads I travel all have speed limits under 45. While higher speeds are theorectically possible, I hear that your face will melt and you'll go back in time if you exceed 60 mph... ...my way of saying I don't know.
4. What do you clean the Soft Top with? When my Jeep is too muddy I go to the car wash and spray it with the magic wand.

Thanks All!

Cheers!

BB
07-30-2009 06:36 PM
JDsDream I know what you're talking about in regards to sail panels (the rear corner pieces that lock into the tub channel). Mine also has the stiffeners , but there is a zipper for removing them. I have always left mine connected and usually do around 70-80mph on the freeway and have never had one come loose. Hope that helps
07-30-2009 06:23 PM
iamagolfspaz Plexo works good on the plastic windows.
07-30-2009 05:45 PM
Levinoss 1. What do you use to clean & remove light scratches for the plastic windows?

Meguiars has a line of products made just for soft tops and their plastic windows

2. Is it Ok/Not Ok, to use Rain-X on the plastic windows?

I have and it didn't work but it works great on my windshield so I guess that is a no.


3. With the three windows zipped out, and the Sail Panel still attached, what's a safe speed to max out at, without fear of losing or ripping the Sail Panels off? Please keep in mind that this is an '09 Wrangler X, and the Sail Panels have the Stiffners installed. I ALMOST ordered a set of the Clover Patch Convert-A-Top bags to roll my Sail Panels up in, but there was a note, that said it WOULD NOT WORK for the '09's, because the Sail Panels had the Stiffners installed. Indeed they do!

Must be a JK thing? What is Sail panels?

4. What do you clean the Soft Top with? Mine has tree junk and dirt on it, from sitting under trees at the Dealer, until I adopted it and gave it a good home!

Believe Meguires and bestop sell soft top cleaning solutions.
07-30-2009 05:27 PM
Blackbeard1718
Newbie Questions!

Had my Jeep almost three weeks now, and LOVIN' it. I searched the Forums using the Search Mode, and could only find answers to a couple of my questions. I've got a few more questions I'd like to throw out there, and see if anyone has an answer for.

1. What do you use to clean & remove light scratches for the plastic windows?
2. Is it Ok/Not Ok, to use Rain-X on the plastic windows?
3. With the three windows zipped out, and the Sail Panel still attached, what's a safe speed to max out at, without fear of losing or ripping the Sail Panels off? Please keep in mind that this is an '09 Wrangler X, and the Sail Panels have the Stiffners installed. I ALMOST ordered a set of the Clover Patch Convert-A-Top bags to roll my Sail Panels up in, but there was a note, that said it WOULD NOT WORK for the '09's, because the Sail Panels had the Stiffners installed. Indeed they do!
4. What do you clean the Soft Top with? Mine has tree junk and dirt on it, from sitting under trees at the Dealer, until I adopted it and gave it a good home!

Thanks All!

Cheers!

BB

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