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08-27-2013 01:20 PM
gsn
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Originally Posted by l2abbit View Post
Lmao look what shows up yesterday why my jeep is in the shop.. Sounds to good to be true

(AP) For Wranglers with 3.6-liter V-6 engines, Chrysler says a power steering fluid line can wear a hole in the transmission oil cooler line. The SUVs can leak fluid, damaging automatic transmissions. Dealers will inspect the lines for free and replace them or install a protective sleeve. The recall begins in July.
Also, 221,100 Jeep Wrangler SUVs with 3.6-liter engines from model years 2012 and 2013 will be recalled because of possible leaking of transmission fluid. Chrysler said a component of the Wrangler's power steering system may rub against a transmission fluid cooling line, causing the fluid to leak.
Power steering line. There are no power steering lines passing through the transmission body from where you posted pictures I believe. That recall has been discussed since May, while it's good that it will be done to prevent future issues, I believe it has nothing to do with the liquid you are seeing running down the transmission housing evaporating.
08-27-2013 12:55 PM
NFRs2000NYC
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Originally Posted by ben04 View Post
This. Exactly. Before I bought a Jeep I was in a warranty battle with another manufacturer. I sued for warranty buy-back under the lemon law. Mods don't matter... You have to prove that the manufacturer's product was defective.

Technically the manufacturer must prove your mods caused a problem, but in my actual experience, the vehicle owner must prove the manufacturer produced a defective vehicle. It's harder than you'd think; a lawsuit isn't always about the facts.
Lemon laws are proved for and against by the same party...the dealer. All lemon laws require you (the owner) to let the dealer attempt to fix the problem. If they fail to do so a certain number of times, and/or if the vehicle is out of commission for too long, then the vehicle qualifies as a lemon. The owner doesn't prove anything. The dealer is doing the work for both sides.

Next, the arbitration. While the warranty work might be a hassle, the arbitration is a VERY big hassle for the dealer. First of all, it costs the owner a few hundred bucks to file for arbitration. Arbitration is designed to make legal action easier on the private person when dealing with a major company. However, when arbitration is filed, all the fees are paid (up front) by the dealer (until the resolution, which if they win you must split/pay back.) so right there, the dealer must shell out $2000+ for the arbitrator at $300+ per hour. Adding to that, the dealer now has to pay their lawyer, which is another $500+ per hour. Arbitrations are designed to be done quickly, but can drag out depending on people's schedules. Dealers do NOT like to deal with arbitrations, it seldom ends well for them. Every loss is a public record, and can be used later on in commercial fraud suits. Dealers take lawsuits very seriously, provided they believe that you are actually going to take legal action. Being that my wife is a commercial litigator, they always take me VERY seriously.
08-27-2013 12:52 PM
TheIronWolf
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Originally Posted by l2abbit View Post
Lmao look what shows up yesterday why my jeep is in the shop.. Sounds to good to be true

(AP) For Wranglers with 3.6-liter V-6 engines, Chrysler says a power steering fluid line can wear a hole in the transmission oil cooler line. The SUVs can leak fluid, damaging automatic transmissions. Dealers will inspect the lines for free and replace them or install a protective sleeve. The recall begins in July.
Also, 221,100 Jeep Wrangler SUVs with 3.6-liter engines from model years 2012 and 2013 will be recalled because of possible leaking of transmission fluid. Chrysler said a component of the Wrangler's power steering system may rub against a transmission fluid cooling line, causing the fluid to leak.

Recall starts on July of 2014 you said...? I better call my dealer and ask them if they heard anything...
08-27-2013 12:38 PM
l2abbit Lmao look what shows up yesterday why my jeep is in the shop.. Sounds to good to be true

(AP) For Wranglers with 3.6-liter V-6 engines, Chrysler says a power steering fluid line can wear a hole in the transmission oil cooler line. The SUVs can leak fluid, damaging automatic transmissions. Dealers will inspect the lines for free and replace them or install a protective sleeve. The recall begins in July.
Also, 221,100 Jeep Wrangler SUVs with 3.6-liter engines from model years 2012 and 2013 will be recalled because of possible leaking of transmission fluid. Chrysler said a component of the Wrangler's power steering system may rub against a transmission fluid cooling line, causing the fluid to leak.
08-27-2013 11:21 AM
l2abbit I was driving it in bump meaning I was shifting myself. But I have no idea how it knocked me out of 4th. After it happened I immediately looked at my rpm's and they went from around 2000rpm to 800rpm. This is why I pulled over and checked everything out.
08-27-2013 02:16 AM
gsn Hissing sound is water evaporating... no oil from a car will make a hissing sound when touching any part of said car that is hot, not even the exhaust, much less the transmission. If it does, I believe you would have a completely non working and completely chewed up engine, transmission and differentials since temps inside these parts are much much higher than what you get outside.

I also have "water" (AC condensation) coming down from my manual transmission housing and it also makes a hissing (evaporation) sound when it hits something hot, which includes the transmission housing or runs close to something hot then hit the floor a poof evaporates. You can get the same hissing sound by putting a few drops of water on a hot cooking pan. The amount of water depends on the day, temperature and humidity.

Get a bit of transmission fluid and smear it in your transmission body or even the engine when its running. See if it will evaporate or make a hissing sound evaporating

Also, you mentioned "auto transmission" in your first post, but then you mentioned it knocked you out of 4th gear. How does that work?
08-27-2013 12:26 AM
ben04
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Originally Posted by legitposter View Post

This attitude is what gets people screwed with warranties. The dealer and Chrysler *DO NOT HAVE TO PROVE* that a mod caused a problem in order to tell you they won't cover it. It is only after YOU take them to court that they have to prove it - something most people won't do - and trust me, when in court, Chrysler's engineers will be able to prove why a lift and the changed angles caused the problem better than the normal wrangler driver can prove otherwise.
This. Exactly. Before I bought a Jeep I was in a warranty battle with another manufacturer. I sued for warranty buy-back under the lemon law. Mods don't matter... You have to prove that the manufacturer's product was defective.

Technically the manufacturer must prove your mods caused a problem, but in my actual experience, the vehicle owner must prove the manufacturer produced a defective vehicle. It's harder than you'd think; a lawsuit isn't always about the facts.
08-26-2013 10:53 PM
scottmphoto Could this be related to the recall? A tranny line rupturing?
08-26-2013 09:26 PM
CrispyB
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Originally Posted by 3JKs1H1 View Post
ATF (used in your tranny and tcase) is a clean red and sweet smelling. Oil golden brown and smells like, well oil. Gear oil from the diffs is a nasty smelling almost blackish fluid (unless it's mixed with water than it looks like a cream colored milkshake).
Mmm, golden brown oilAm I the only one getting hungry reading these descriptions?

OP, good luck! Hope it turns out to be nothing.
08-26-2013 09:02 PM
l2abbit Yeah I just can't believe how much fluid was leaking down. When my truck was starting to get winched on the tow truck you could hear the fluids splashing on the ground when the winch was pulling.
08-26-2013 08:55 PM
narphenal
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Originally Posted by Tweak View Post
clear fluid and a hissing sound? I get that every time I get under my jeep and AC condensation hits something warm. Exact same location.
I remember the first time I heard that; I freaked out, took my jeep up to work, put it on a lift only to find out it was just condensation. Talk about relief.
08-26-2013 08:44 PM
l2abbit
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Originally Posted by legitposter View Post
The transfer case is at the rear of the transmission and the ATF+4 inside is red.
That sounds about right.. So far they are calling me and telling me everything is fine.. They are going to take it out tomorrow are try and get it to overheat or show any signs or issues.
08-26-2013 07:46 PM
Tweak clear fluid and a hissing sound? I get that every time I get under my jeep and AC condensation hits something warm. Exact same location.
08-26-2013 07:43 PM
legitposter The transfer case is at the rear of the transmission and the ATF+4 inside is red.
08-26-2013 04:45 PM
l2abbit So dropped off at the dealership this morning. Just received a call about 20 minutes ago telling me the transmission and everything is driving fine. But I insisted that they check everything because I know something isn't right. After looking more at the fluid spill it does have a redish/pink coloration.
I have asked them to check for a transmission shift. I'm curious what is above the rear side of the transmission & if anything could have been damaged above?
08-26-2013 12:38 AM
Lusus_Naturae The fluid sounds like water, and may be - the bigger issue is after bumping it on the street, the trans sounds and feels funny - there's a hissing noise from the bolt area and bubbles.

Keep us updated.
08-25-2013 11:52 PM
3JKs1H1 ATF (used in your tranny and tcase) is a clean red and sweet smelling. Oil golden brown and smells like, well oil. Gear oil from the diffs is a nasty smelling almost blackish fluid (unless it's mixed with water than it looks like a cream colored milkshake). Brake fluid is near clear when newer but slippery. If yours looks like water, it's sounds like normal condensation.

Coolant is likely red/reddish brown (factory).

I'm assuming you're stranded (the tow truck was a giveaway), did you check to see if the tcase popped out of gear? (which it can if not fully engaged and you hit a bump).
08-25-2013 11:45 PM
l2abbit
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Originally Posted by NFRs2000NYC View Post
Oh and one more thing, just so we have the correct info. You don't "sue" anyone. You can't. When you buy a vehicle from anywhere in the country, you sign a bunch of papers. One of the papers you sign is you give up your right to trial, and can only arbitrate. Taking a case to arbitration isn't expensive, and during an arbitration, the dealer MUST prove their case.
Awesome thanks for all the NFR

Mike
08-25-2013 09:48 PM
NFRs2000NYC Oh and one more thing, just so we have the correct info. You don't "sue" anyone. You can't. When you buy a vehicle from anywhere in the country, you sign a bunch of papers. One of the papers you sign is you give up your right to trial, and can only arbitrate. Taking a case to arbitration isn't expensive, and during an arbitration, the dealer MUST prove their case.
08-25-2013 09:46 PM
l2abbit Thanks again
08-25-2013 09:45 PM
l2abbit No my attitude is I was driving down the street and boom.. I know how this game works
08-25-2013 09:43 PM
NFRs2000NYC
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Originally Posted by legitposter View Post
This attitude is what gets people screwed with warranties. The dealer and Chrysler *DO NOT HAVE TO PROVE* that a mod caused a problem in order to tell you they won't cover it. It is only after YOU take them to court that they have to prove it - something most people won't do - and trust me, when in court, Chrysler's engineers will be able to prove why a lift and the changed angles caused the problem better than the normal wrangler driver can prove otherwise.
So your suggestion is to go into the dealer, tell them you went out wheeling, slammed down on a rock which you thing caused the crossmember to bash into the tranmission (which is now leaking) and have them fix it under warranty? Ok. I'll stick to, "good morning sir, I walked into my garage today, and saw a few drops of fluid on my floor. I thought it might be serious so I decided to bring it in ASAP." Playing dumb doesn't get anyone screwed with anything. Talking too much does.

Oh, and my dealer replaced my entire rear axle ($3000) when i told him there is a strange noise coming from my rig. I told them its coming front the front, their mechanic claimed it was coming from the rear diff. He first tried to blame my tires, but quickly saw that he wasn't going to get away with it, and changed his tune. After a week, and a full axle replacement, the noise was still there. Suffice to say, I made the service manager feel like an idiot when he realized that there was absolutely nothing wrong with the rear diff.
08-25-2013 09:40 PM
legitposter
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Originally Posted by NFRs2000NYC View Post
Good luck with them proving that a lift or tires caused a transmission to leak. The components have absolutely nothing to do with each other.
This attitude is what gets people screwed with warranties. The dealer and Chrysler *DO NOT HAVE TO PROVE* that a mod caused a problem in order to tell you they won't cover it. It is only after YOU take them to court that they have to prove it - something most people won't do - and trust me, when in court, Chrysler's engineers will be able to prove why a lift and the changed angles caused the problem better than the normal wrangler driver can prove otherwise.
08-25-2013 09:30 PM
l2abbit
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Originally Posted by NFRs2000NYC View Post

Good luck with them proving that a lift or tires caused a transmission to leak. The components have absolutely nothing to do with each other.
I have a history with one of the shops here in Vegas. Lets just say they haven't made things right, Towing to the other dealership hoping all is right in the world.
I'll keep the thread updated thanks for everyone's help.
08-25-2013 09:21 PM
NFRs2000NYC
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Originally Posted by l2abbit View Post
Lol yeah I just hope I don't get the crap about doing my own lift/tires ect. With them telling me they won't warranty it..
Good luck with them proving that a lift or tires caused a transmission to leak. The components have absolutely nothing to do with each other.
08-25-2013 09:20 PM
l2abbit
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Originally Posted by NFRs2000NYC View Post

Like I said, bring it in, act dumb, and call it a day.
Lol yeah I just hope I don't get the crap about doing my own lift/tires ect. With them telling me they won't warranty it..
08-25-2013 09:10 PM
NFRs2000NYC
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Originally Posted by l2abbit View Post
That's what I don't understand?
It completely knocked me out of 4th gear. Hopefully something simply but I can tell you the transmission is louder and just doesn't feel right.
Like I said, bring it in, act dumb, and call it a day.
08-25-2013 09:04 PM
l2abbit Also where the screw is wet it made a leaking sound & was bubbling
08-25-2013 09:03 PM
l2abbit That's what I don't understand?
It completely knocked me out of 4th gear. Hopefully something simply but I can tell you the transmission is louder and just doesn't feel right.
08-25-2013 08:46 PM
RRTRI Clear with no smell? Was it just AC condensation?

Not really related but maybe this will sympathize with you. We were away for a week. When I returned late Sat night I opened the garage to find it sitting in a puddle of AT fluid. I very very rarely drive it and am stumped at what caused it seemingly out of the blue. Had it towed to the dealer Sun morning and am now waiting to hear back this week. Under warranty so not a huge deal but still frustrating when you have an issue that seems to come out of nowhere.

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