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08-28-2013 07:47 PM
itssbs
I agree!!

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Originally Posted by smohr33 View Post
Great news if its true. I have the ZF 8 speed in my BMW and its the best torque converter auto I've ever driven. Its so fast you would swear its a dual clutch, but its still smooth like a normal auto. Power in every gear since there are so many, and its awesome for fuel economy. Obviously the wrangler application will be geared and programmed different, but its a seriously impressive trans. I'm manual fan but would take the ZF 24/7 over a stick now.
2013 BMW 328i in addition to the 2013 JKR as well. I agree with this statement... The 8 speed in the BMW is awesome!!Not to mention the twin turbos....
08-28-2013 05:02 PM
JandS The Fiat merger has been damn good for Chrysler and Jeep. BTW, this should look familiar:





08-28-2013 03:56 PM
smohr33 Great news if its true. I have the ZF 8 speed in my BMW and its the best torque converter auto I've ever driven. Its so fast you would swear its a dual clutch, but its still smooth like a normal auto. Power in every gear since there are so many, and its awesome for fuel economy. Obviously the wrangler application will be geared and programmed different, but its a seriously impressive trans. I'm manual fan but would take the ZF 24/7 over a stick now.
08-28-2013 03:52 PM
TOK
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Originally Posted by Lusus_Naturae View Post
Commercial vehicles take a beating compared to most everyday drivers, I understand why a company would switch what they buy if something breaks, however, any company should keep reviewing what's out there. Just because they bought a bad batch in the 90's doesn't mean it's still a bad product. I hate to say it, but the best years for the Wrangler may be 2003-2004 based on what I've seen in defects and problems. I am really liking my 2013, but I wonder if Jeep is going down the tubes too.
2004 I think was the last year for Dodge anything. The Fords and Chevy's make it past the guidelines with relative ease. Warping plastic intakes are one of the weak spots on the Fords, because the coolant leak immediately pools in the plug well and leads to a misfire. That happens to about 1 in 10 of the E250's. Its a $600 fix vs. 3k+ for an overdrive trans.

If you get screwed over by a vehicle brand 5 or 6 times, you don't try it a few years later to see if it still sucks. They're 30 grand a piece.
08-28-2013 03:08 PM
ohioviper Long time mopar fan.Everything in my driveway for the past 20 years asides from my sons Firebird has been Chrysler,Dodge ,Jeep. Their auto transmissions earned and deserve their reputation .Like someone said cardboard and bondo. I almost fell out of my chair laughing because it is true.Its also why all of my Jeeps have always been standards until this 13. The new 12+ auto is the first one I have been happy with period.
08-28-2013 02:23 PM
Lusus_Naturae Commercial vehicles take a beating compared to most everyday drivers, I understand why a company would switch what they buy if something breaks, however, any company should keep reviewing what's out there. Just because they bought a bad batch in the 90's doesn't mean it's still a bad product. I hate to say it, but the best years for the Wrangler may be 2003-2004 based on what I've seen in defects and problems. I am really liking my 2013, but I wonder if Jeep is going down the tubes too.
08-28-2013 01:59 PM
TOK
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Originally Posted by HugoTheImpaler View Post
Its unfortunate that whomever makes such a list where you work is ignorant of facts.
It was based on company experience. We didn't have one late 90's/early 2000's Dodge make it past 80k without a transmission or rear failure. I think its no coincidence Dodge abandoned the van market and just stuck their name on a Sprinter. Next year they're sticking it on the Ducato -a Fiat van.

We've been getting E250's. Ford is totally changing the Econoline next year. Its going to be a hightop like the Sprinter so it will probably be Chevy van's for the near future. We buy about 11 per year.
08-28-2013 12:13 PM
overblown
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Originally Posted by JKURz Wild View Post
Just imagine the Wrangler with the Ghibli's motor and trans
Now THAT is a beautiful thought.
08-28-2013 11:59 AM
JKURz Wild A variation of the Wrangler's 3.6L is the Ferrari built 400+HP 3L V6 Twin Turbo found in the 2014 Maserati Ghibli - New Maserati Ghibli Official Website

The Ghibli also has the ZF 8 speed tranny - ZF 8HP transmission - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Just imagine the Wrangler with the Ghibli's motor and trans
08-28-2013 11:53 AM
Barrie
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Originally Posted by Mopar2Ya View Post
IIRC ZF also makes trans for BMW. The current Mercedes trans aren't bullet proof, there have been some failures, especially in SRT's. Chrysler has made some great trans, especially the TF727.
One of the toughest automatics ever made.
08-28-2013 11:48 AM
overblown It's funny how the internet works. If a company makes say 300,000 vehicles and 5000 of them have transmission problems, 3000 of those owners end up crying about it online and then all of a sudden "that company builds vehicles with crappy transmissions" becomes gospel.
08-28-2013 11:37 AM
blankster Chrysler builds them in Indiana under license from ZF.
08-28-2013 11:12 AM
HugoTheImpaler
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Originally Posted by TOK View Post
Whatever they're using, its better than when Chrysler tried making their own transmissions. I think they made them out of cardboard and Bondo.

We have a fleet of 64 trucks where I work (a mix of pickups and vans), and Dodge is still on the "do not buy" list because they wouldn't make it through the basic guideline of 10 years/120,000 miles without transmission failures.
Its unfortunate that whomever makes such a list where you work is ignorant of facts.
08-28-2013 09:34 AM
Mopar2Ya IIRC ZF also makes trans for BMW. The current Mercedes trans aren't bullet proof, there have been some failures, especially in SRT's. Chrysler has made some great trans, especially the TF727.
08-28-2013 06:11 AM
TOK Whatever they're using, its better than when Chrysler tried making their own transmissions. I think they made them out of cardboard and Bondo.

We have a fleet of 64 trucks where I work (a mix of pickups and vans), and Dodge is still on the "do not buy" list because they wouldn't make it through the basic guideline of 10 years/120,000 miles without transmission failures.
08-28-2013 03:17 AM
Rtone1583
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Originally Posted by JandS View Post
So apparently the 2014 Wrangler will share a transmission with a Bentley and a Nav with a Ferrari.

One Transmission, Countless Cars: The ZF 8HP Eight-Speed - Popular Mechanics
That's like saying Coach and First class travel in an airplane are the same.

They may both accomplish the same purpose but it definitely doesn't happen in the same way.
08-28-2013 01:20 AM
Lusus_Naturae 2014 is out already....
08-28-2013 12:47 AM
overblown Well, the Bentley version handles that much but that's not the same one the wrangler will get. The internals are application specific. I just hope they get it right. I would think so, but time will tell.
08-27-2013 11:33 PM
JandS
Put the 8 spd transmission worries to rest - it handles a Bentley's 700lbs of torque

So apparently the 2014 Wrangler will share a transmission with a Bentley and a Nav with a Ferrari.

One Transmission, Countless Cars: The ZF 8HP Eight-Speed - Popular Mechanics

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