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11-09-2013 12:04 PM
TheDesertOutlaw
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Originally Posted by Jerry Bransford View Post
Savvy Offroad usually has very good pricing on Currie products.
True - my friend Mike paid exactly this amount at the Off Road Expo on his Currectlync system:

CURRIE CE-9701 CURRECTLYNC® - HD TIE ROD SYSTEM - Savvy Off Road Aluminum
11-09-2013 12:02 PM
TheDesertOutlaw
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Originally Posted by Jerry Bransford View Post
Since you plan to run 35" tires eventually, I would upgrade to Currie's heavy duty Currectlync steering kit. That way you won't have to upgrade twice which costs more $$$.
Good advice, Jerry. I have been driving my Jeep daily to work, and the bad bumpsteer, shimmy and occassional Death Wobble are now gone.

link to my thread:
http://www.wranglerforum.com/f5/curr...st-331585.html
11-09-2013 11:43 AM
Jerry Bransford Savvy Offroad usually has very good pricing on Currie products.
11-09-2013 11:37 AM
jeepwayoflife
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Originally Posted by Jerry Bransford View Post
Since you plan to run 35" tires eventually, I would upgrade to Currie's heavy duty Currectlync steering kit. That way you won't have to upgrade twice which costs more $$$.
Cool, thanks Jerry. Time to go price hunting!
11-09-2013 11:33 AM
Jerry Bransford
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Originally Posted by Habib View Post
Looks like Stu's Offroad runs a crossover steering too.

Stu's Offroad Crossover steering
No, Stu does not run crossover steering.
11-09-2013 11:30 AM
Jerry Bransford Since you plan to run 35" tires eventually, I would upgrade to Currie's heavy duty Currectlync steering kit. That way you won't have to upgrade twice which costs more $$$.
11-09-2013 11:21 AM
jeepwayoflife Alright, question for you guys.

I bent the stock tie rod and had to install another stock one on the trail to get home. I'm now looking at upgrades.

Is a Zj tie rod good enough? I know it will then make my drag link the weak point. How weak is it?

Or is it really worth the money to just get the Currie?

Running 33's and next tire purchase in a couple years will be 35's.
11-01-2013 03:57 AM
Habib
Is crossover steering good?

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Originally Posted by NJO View Post
Do a search on google for stu's zj tie rod upgrade.....all the part #'s will be listed and are available through autozone or any other

Looks like Stu's Offroad runs a crossover steering too.

Quote:
Toys by Troy Alumi-flex
Cross-Over Steering Part Numbers



I'm starting to hand these part numbers out more frequently now that the rod ends are beginning to wear out and folks are replacing them. I've done mine once (I did both sides but only one side had gone bad).


Anyway, here are the numbers:

ES2234R Right hand tie rod end
ES2010L Left hand tie rod end

ES2026R Right hand drag link end
ES2027L Left hand drag link end

The above are Perfect Circle part numbers but any parts store worth anything should be able to cross reference them. Most parts manufacturer use the same numbers.
Stu's Offroad Crossover steering
10-31-2013 04:47 AM
Imped
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Originally Posted by _KONG_ View Post
I think you have cross over confused with inverted t
Agreed.

"Crossover" can be very well done if executed properly and with quality parts.

Look at WJ knuckle and JK axle swaps. Both are examples of "crossover" steering with the drag link and tie rods attaching to separate steering arms on the passenger side knuckle. Understand some simple geometry and get the track bar correct and you'll wind up with a very nice setup.

But if you're sticking with TJ axles/knuckles, it can be heavily debated if the WJ knuckle swap is worth it. That's the entire reason the Vanco kit exists. Contrary to popular belief, there really is absolutely nothing wrong with the TJ/XJ inverted Y linkage orientation. Nothing at all.
10-31-2013 02:34 AM
_KONG_
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Originally Posted by Jerry Bransford View Post
Cross-over steering systems have a great reputation for causing steering problems like bump steer. My TJ is very well built & the last type of steering system I'd install is a cross-over.
I think you have cross over confused with inverted t
10-30-2013 11:30 PM
TripleNickle
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Originally Posted by NJO View Post
I keep forgetting Metal Cloak is a direct competitor to your close associates........lol.
Lol
10-30-2013 05:56 PM
Habib
Steering research

Here is an interesting article on types of steering and the pros and cons.

Steering research
08-31-2013 10:09 PM
swampbuggy98 NJO thanks for the info on the ZJ upgrades. I'm gonna look into that when I get off work tomorrow. I looked on that website with the part numbers and might end up going with Jerry's advice to send the stuff back for a refund and yours to do the ZJ swap! You guys have been great, I appreciate all the input!
08-31-2013 10:01 PM
swampbuggy98
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Originally Posted by NJO View Post
Do a search on google for stu's zj tie rod upgrade.....all the part #'s will be listed and are available through autozone or any other chain parts store.

MC has only on tb for the tj front. Im sure Jerry will eagerly give it 2 thumbs up like he does for all MC products which are made right here in the USA. Imped sure will.
Gotcha on the MC track bar looked at the long travel REAR. Good now
08-31-2013 09:58 PM
NJO
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Originally Posted by Jerry Bransford View Post
Metal Cloak? Not me, you have an overly vivid imagination.
I keep forgetting Metal Cloak is a direct competitor to your close associates........lol.
08-31-2013 09:58 PM
swampbuggy98
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Originally Posted by Jerry Bransford View Post
Metal Cloak? Not me, you have an overly vivid imagination.
Care to elaborate?
08-31-2013 09:54 PM
Jerry Bransford Metal Cloak? Not me, you have an overly vivid imagination.
08-31-2013 09:28 PM
NJO
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Originally Posted by swampbuggy98 View Post

Ok so quick question. It's the tie rod and heavier duty ZJ ends for that autozone upgrade? I found the long travel and fixed MC track bars on their website. Which one were you talking about?
Do a search on google for stu's zj tie rod upgrade.....all the part #'s will be listed and are available through autozone or any other chain parts store.

MC has only on tb for the tj front. Im sure Jerry will eagerly give it 2 thumbs up like he does for all MC products which are made right here in the USA. Imped sure will.
08-31-2013 09:01 PM
swampbuggy98
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Originally Posted by Jerry Bransford View Post
The track bar looks like it is bent more than it should be which is why I asked if the axle was off-center.
Any input on the suggested ZJ equipment and MC track bar Jerry?
08-31-2013 09:00 PM
swampbuggy98
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Originally Posted by NJO View Post
Bro, just do yourself a big favor and a solid. Return that cr@p, go grab the ZJ upgrade kit with a Metal Cloak front trackbar. You can have an entire new front end for under $300 and that's with the highest clearance TB on the market from MC.
Ok so quick question. It's the tie rod and heavier duty ZJ ends for that autozone upgrade? I found the long travel and fixed MC track bars on their website. Which one were you talking about?
08-31-2013 06:42 PM
Jerry Bransford
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Originally Posted by swampbuggy98 View Post
It's definitely off centered I took it to get it realigned couple days ago and they said they couldn't do it because the track bar was too wore out
The track bar looks like it is bent more than it should be which is why I asked if the axle was off-center.
08-31-2013 06:10 PM
NJO Bro, just do yourself a big favor and a solid. Return that cr@p, go grab the ZJ upgrade kit with a Metal Cloak front trackbar. You can have an entire new front end for under $300 and that's with the highest clearance TB on the market from MC.
08-31-2013 05:53 PM
swampbuggy98
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Originally Posted by Jerry Bransford View Post
Can't see two areas of prime importance... the Pitman arm from the side, or the passenger-side trackbar mount and where the drag link connects to the passenger side. But from what I can see, that doesn't look like the factory steering system. The track bar is certainly aftermarket.

Also, is your front axle centered or could it be off-center towards the driver's side?
I'll try to get those two pictures tomorrow I'm not going to be able to get them tonight
08-31-2013 05:51 PM
swampbuggy98
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Originally Posted by Jerry Bransford View Post
Can't see two areas of prime importance... the Pitman arm from the side, or the passenger-side trackbar mount and where the drag link connects to the passenger side. But from what I can see, that doesn't look like the factory steering system. The track bar is certainly aftermarket.

Also, is your front axle centered or could it be off-center towards the driver's side?
It's definitely off centered I took it to get it realigned couple days ago and they said they couldn't do it because the track bar was too wore out
08-31-2013 05:02 PM
Jerry Bransford Can't see two areas of prime importance... the Pitman arm from the side, or the passenger-side trackbar mount and where the drag link connects to the passenger side. But from what I can see, that doesn't look like the factory steering system. The track bar is certainly aftermarket.

Also, is your front axle centered or could it be off-center towards the driver's side?
08-31-2013 04:41 PM
swampbuggy98
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Originally Posted by jerry bransford View Post
can you post a few good sharp photos of your front-end? Good photos might help point to the source of the bump steer.

1-2 photos from the side showing the driver's side track bar mount & the pitman arm will be important, in addition to some directly from the front.

Something is causing your bump steer. If there is truly no dropped pitman arm installed, i would suspect something else has been installed like a dropped track bar mount.


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08-31-2013 01:17 PM
swampbuggy98
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Originally Posted by Jerry Bransford View Post
The tires don't need to come off to get the photos that will help figure out what is wrong.

When that Rusty's kit arrives, I wouldn't even open the box. I'd get an RA# (Return Authorization #) from the dealer you bought the kit from & return it for a refund. That kit is not going to do anything positive for you at all. Really.

P.S. Rusty's dealer you bought it from will do their darnedest to convince you how great their kit is & not to return it. They will do their best to convince you to keep it & install it but pay no attention to them... get the RA# & be done with it.
It was quadratec
08-31-2013 01:07 PM
PStov98TJ
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Originally Posted by Jerry Bransford View Post
When that Rusty's kit arrives, I wouldn't even open the box. I'd get an RA# (Return Authorization #) from the dealer you bought the kit from & return it for a refund. That kit is not going to do anything positive for you at all. Really.
Do the same for the trackbar. It's just as worthless as that steering set up.
08-31-2013 01:05 PM
Jerry Bransford The tires don't need to come off to get the photos that will help figure out what is wrong.

When that Rusty's kit arrives, I wouldn't even open the box. I'd get an RA# (Return Authorization #) from the dealer you bought the kit from & return it for a refund. That kit is not going to do anything positive for you at all. Really.

P.S. Rusty's dealer you bought it from will do their darnedest to convince you how great their kit is & not to return it. They will do their best to convince you to keep it & install it but pay no attention to them... get the RA# & be done with it.
08-31-2013 01:02 PM
swampbuggy98
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Originally Posted by Jerry Bransford View Post
Can you post a few good sharp photos of your front-end? Good photos might help point to the source of the bump steer.

1-2 photos from the side showing the driver's side track bar mount & the Pitman arm will be important, in addition to some directly from the front.

SOMETHING is causing your bump steer. If there is truly no dropped Pitman arm installed, I would suspect something else has been installed like a dropped track bar mount.
I'll try to get a couple tonight after I get off work unfortunately I've got a ton of class work to do or I'd pull the tires off so I could get real good pictures. I'll see what I can do thanks for the help
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