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09-01-2009 08:12 PM
PT4WDL Man,! I am still running the 3.55's with 35's. Sucks on the road, but does pretty damn good off road. We do alot of steap up climbs. I know going to 4.88's will be better but til' then F****T!
09-01-2009 06:33 AM
Sb5551
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Originally Posted by Provelogear View Post
41 ring teeth and 11 pinion teeth. 3.73 gears?
Damn good call. I didn't even think of that. If you have 3.73 gears that would make more sense that your front and rear gears are the same. If this is the case you will still have to regear to a higher (or lower not sure of the terminology) gearset like 4.10's if you want to regear. I wouldn't even worry about it with 32's for right now. I was running 3.55 gears on 35's.
08-31-2009 11:54 PM
Provelogear 41 ring teeth and 11 pinion teeth. 3.73 gears?

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Originally Posted by AlBahhar View Post
Interesting but sad, and sorry SB to go through what you are going through.

Now I just dropped my car at a mechanic to install a rear differential.
the diff I will install is Dana 44; he mentioned also 41-11 => anybody knows what that 41-11?

We are short of professional mechanics and the Jeep agent is very expensive (I live in the UAE).

No warranty will be provided on the installed Dana 44 as it is second hand.

Question:
How could make sure the installation is done properly?

total cost of Dana 44 (used one) and the labor is US$ 1,000.

It is TJ 98 having 285,000 KMs that is about 178,000 Miles.

Another question: what causes a diff to bust ( I was having a clunking sound especially when I am turning).

Appreciate your feedback.

Regards,,,
Al
08-31-2009 11:13 PM
crazyredneck
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Originally Posted by AlBahhar View Post
Thanks for the advice;
How could I make sure that the gear ratios front and rear are identical?

Since the mechanic installed only a ring gear plus the pinions, do I still have to worry about re-gearing.

I have a 2" lift with 32" tires (BFG Aall Terrain).

What is the best test I should do to make sure things are installed properly, so I do not have to go through what the author of this thread is going through.

Regards,,,

Al
ring gear and pinion is the parts that are required to change the gear ratio.


just ask the mechanic to make SURE that both front and rear is the same gear ratio. i do know that on the older full size jeeps, not sure about the cj's but when they had the hd dana 44 up front and the amc 20 rear it was 4.10 in the rear, and 4.11 in the front from the factory
08-31-2009 06:03 PM
AlBahhar
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Originally Posted by Sb5551 View Post
Make sure that both gear ratio's front and rear match or else it could be bad when you put it in 4 wheel drive.
Thanks for the advice;
How could I make sure that the gear ratios front and rear are identical?

Since the mechanic installed only a ring gear plus the pinions, do I still have to worry about re-gearing.

I have a 2" lift with 32" tires (BFG Aall Terrain).

What is the best test I should do to make sure things are installed properly, so I do not have to go through what the author of this thread is going through.

Regards,,,

Al
08-31-2009 03:25 PM
wbrett1027 take that shit back and tell that guy to redue it. ruff him up a little lol.
08-31-2009 09:30 AM
whitebuffalo
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Originally Posted by jgano23 View Post
i just think that you really need to make certain that you can prove "beyond a shadow of a doubt" that the work was shoddy and that it was the mechanics fault.
it only has to be beyond a reasonable doubt, not shadow of a doubt.

pick it up, take it somewhere else. keep all your receipts in case you do decide to sue. i think it'd be an uphill battle though with a 1 yr warranty. it is crazy shady though and 100% caused by a bad install. that guy is a crook. run away from him but tell everybody you know he is a crook.
08-31-2009 07:09 AM
Sb5551 I am not sure what 41-11 is. Could he have mentioned 4.11's? That could be the gear ratio of the new axle or what gear ration you need. Make sure that both gear ratio's front and rear match or else it could be bad when you put it in 4 wheel drive.
08-29-2009 05:39 AM
AlBahhar Interesting but sad, and sorry SB to go through what you are going through.

Now I just dropped my car at a mechanic to install a rear differential.
the diff I will install is Dana 44; he mentioned also 41-11 => anybody knows what that 41-11?

We are short of professional mechanics and the Jeep agent is very expensive (I live in the UAE).

No warranty will be provided on the installed Dana 44 as it is second hand.

Question:
How could make sure the installation is done properly?

total cost of Dana 44 (used one) and the labor is US$ 1,000.

It is TJ 98 having 285,000 KMs that is about 178,000 Miles.

Another question: what causes a diff to bust ( I was having a clunking sound especially when I am turning).

Appreciate your feedback.

Regards,,,
Al
08-27-2009 07:42 PM
jgano23
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Originally Posted by Sb5551 View Post
Really, thank man. I am still waiting to here back from the guy.

JG, if it helps. I put a roof on my lawyers house a few years ago. My legal services are free. Just don't want to waste his time.
having a lawyer definitely helps. you should your lawyer and ask him what he thinks. he should be able to let you know if you have a good case or not, and also what you can do to build your case.
08-27-2009 11:40 AM
Sb5551
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Originally Posted by dooder View Post
SB, im in your area. i can come over and help you set up your rear. and i wont charge you anything. let me know.
Really, thank man. I am still waiting to here back from the guy.

JG, if it helps. I put a roof on my lawyers house a few years ago. My legal services are free. Just don't want to waste his time.
08-27-2009 07:37 AM
jgano23 it can be very difficult to fight a "professional" in small claims court (in this case the mechanic), and there is a decent chance that you will spend a lot of money and lose, especially if it is in small claims. in small claims court the judge wants all cases out of his court room asap. first you will go to mediation, where you and the other party meet with a mediator. you spend about an hour or so trying to come to a resolution, like: "you pay for parts and i'll pay for labor" or vice versa, or "i'll do the repair, but you get NO warranty." also the fact that it happened outside of the warranty period will be a huge factor in determining the case. i would be willing to put money on it that the judge's first point will be that the repair is out of the warranty period. if you really do your homework and get a mechanic who specializes in regearing (at least one, but more would help) that will attest to the fact that this guy did the work wrong, then you may have a chance. if it is just you and the mechanic in the court room you really don't stand much of a chance. the judge will probably ask why you just didn't do the regear yourself if you knows so much about it and that he did it wrong. it will be very easy for the mechanic to convince the judge that it was not his fault. if he starts throwing out mechanical terms and believable sounding explanations, like the bigger tires and sye argument, then you are probably screwed. i am not saying that you shouldn't go after this guy, i just think that you really need to make certain that you can prove "beyond a shadow of a doubt" that the work was shoddy and that it was the mechanics fault.
08-27-2009 06:13 AM
dooder SB, im in your area. i can come over and help you set up your rear. and i wont charge you anything. let me know.
08-27-2009 05:44 AM
Sb5551 I already have talked to my origiinal mechanic that reccomended him so I know he lost a lot of work. I will get it towed out of there today, but unfortunatly I just dont have the money to get it all done again right now with school and all. Eventually I will take it to Jeff Daniels Jeep. They quoted a worst case of 2500$ to regear both axles with a lifetime warranty.
08-27-2009 02:34 AM
daanbc Either way he will be out the $$. Worst case he leaves the jeep with this guy, He'll still have to pay him again. I would find a reputable mech. and have the work done there. No harm in trying the sare tatic on this one though, and let him know that his shoty work will be known to all 4x4's.
08-26-2009 09:33 PM
skeeter Yes you have a claim as long as you do your work and can find certified mechanics willing to testify that the damage done to the rear end could not have been caused by the larger tires and sye.

Unfortunately, mechanics don't tend to like testifying against each other and you're going to have to front the cost of repairs until and unless you win your case.
The length of his warranty means nothing if you can "prove" shoddy workmanship.
08-26-2009 09:32 PM
jpdocdave in all honesty, push comes to shove, in a court of law, probably not. but with enough fighting, and the fact the seals failed while in warranty being a sign of improper install may help. but when its black and white, the warranty is 12 mos, and its 14. and any desk ridin judge i can think of will eat it up that bigger tires and sye modifications will cause this.

this is why everytime ring and pinions come up i chime in. there's a small percentage of actuall full time professional mechanics that are equipped and able to install gears correctly. my whole career as a mechanic i've watched "techs" set up gears, "by feel" or just by re-using the old shims. thats what motivated me to learn the proper way, and spend the thousands of dollars i've spent on special tools i only use for gears.

to most mechanics thats a waste of time and money, as long as they get it close and it makes it out of warranty they're happy.
08-26-2009 09:27 PM
Sb5551 Do you really think I have a claim? It has been 14 months and he warrantys his work for 12 months? The one thing that was weird was he doesn't have the order number for the parts he ordered for my jeep. I do have the old ring and pinion from the first replacment.
08-26-2009 08:25 PM
jdhallissey and you want all the parts back everything he took out of the truck. Every shim broken piece everything.
08-26-2009 07:43 PM
daanbc Ok, this is what you need to do. First off you don't want this same guy doing the same work all over again on your rig. So since we know that, You need to find a flat bed truck to go and pick your jeep up and bring it home or to another place. Tell the guy, you do not want him to touch the jeep anymore. That you have a truck on the way to pick up your jeep. Then ask him if he has insurance. When he ask's why you are asking for that info, tell him you need to give this info. to your attorney. Since this mess up is his fault. Then let him know you have found a reptable mechanic that will defend your case against his bad work. Weather it is small claims court or other. Either way I would not allow this fellow to work on my rig again after this.
08-26-2009 06:09 PM
Sb5551 I wish I could just put it in 4 wheel and drive it home, but there are no axles in it or carrier. He took it all apart to check the ring and pinion and see if there worn? Can't you just look at it. Plus no pinion seal or axles seals either. Its just a bare housing right now. He also said he hoped the bearing races didn't spin in the housing cause that would mess it up needing that to be replaced too, but he did say he didn't think so.
08-26-2009 05:56 PM
jpdocdave yep, full of crap, bigger tires nor sye caused the pinion bearing failure, improper install did.
08-26-2009 05:10 PM
jdhallissey Give me his number please! I would get it towed back to your house or tell him to fk off and toss it in 4 wheel drive and get it home. I would protest that shop and start writing complaints. Bigger tires didn't do anything there along with the sye and drive shaft.
08-26-2009 04:59 PM
Sb5551 So they took the rear apart today. The pinion bearings are shot. They didn't explode or wear apart. The outside of the bearings holding the rollers in look like they cracked and the rollers fell apart. The fluid looks like it broke down cause its real thin and both of my axle seals are leaking after replacing them twice this year already.

The guy told me that cause his warranty is a year along with the parts there is nothing he can do cause its been 14 months. He also told me that this happened because of my bigger tires, and that someone took my rear apart because he always stakes his pinion nuts so he can tell when it has been off. He also said that he knows this happened because I installed the SYE. WTF!?

The rear end is completly apart in his shop and he wants to know what I want to do because he can't put it together without new parts and labor charges.
08-19-2009 06:42 PM
jpdocdave
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Originally Posted by Sb5551 View Post
Dave, the rear is a 44. Aren't they adjusted by shims not a crush bearing?
yes, the preload is set by shims, still measured by the same means wether is a crush sleeve or shims.
08-19-2009 02:18 PM
Sb5551 Yea that seems to be the general idea to pee on their desks. They said they would take a look at it so we will see. It has been about 14 months since they did the work. The guy said that the parts company wont warranty the parts after a year. If they want to do the labor for free I wouldn't mind paying for new parts since I need to regear anyways.

Dave, the rear is a 44. Aren't they adjusted by shims not a crush bearing?
08-19-2009 10:27 AM
Jeepzcb09 if they dont staind behind their work and fix their wrong doings you should protest outside the shop!! and piss on thier desks
08-19-2009 09:46 AM
jpdocdave i kinda knew the shop would try to weasle out of it. don't stand for that, the bigger tires did not cause the pinion bearings to go bad, improper torque on the pinion nut did, and thats also why the seal failed a few months after the work, and again now. it was never done right from the beginning.
08-19-2009 09:04 AM
Sb5551 So I went to the shop and they said they will take a look at on the 26th. The guy said that the bigger tires probably caused the pinion bearing to blow out and then told me it was ok to drive for now. Yea right, but on my way home to park it my idler pulley exploded ball bearings everywhere and I'm sitting on the side of the road waiting for my buddy to get me to the parts store.
08-19-2009 04:24 AM
PT4WDL Don't give up man, and do as ^^^ they said. I wouoldn't go as far as pissing on someones desk though.HaHa. A decent shop should help you out.
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