|08-22-2013 02:44 PM|
Update on work
I had to take Jeep back second time. Now the jog issue is affecting reverse and new engine noise when in neutral and clutch disengaged. The dealership claims noise from clutch and not covered by warranty from last work done(tsb repair and piston rework). Also claim having jog issue in reverse is not fixable according to Chrysler. Never go to champion dealership in Indianapolis, they have been screwing me over since I bought the Jeep new. Took it in at 547 miles for simple fix, and they washed it with window down. To cover their tracks they vacuumed the seat an ripped the fabric, which is how I noticed the water damage. Ever since never trusted them, sorry about the rant btw.
Was informed by Chrysler my warranty void as of 1/17/2013 since I missed the 5 year maintenance. Originally took Jeep into dealership 7/2010 for the jog issue.now the dealership claims I have to go thru Chrysler to get the money back the dealership charged me for the tsb fix.
|08-16-2013 12:36 PM|
jwill: Are you the original owner of your 2008 Sahara? If so, you should have a lifetime powertrain warranty.
I am the second owner of my 2008 jeep, but purchased the lifetime powertrain service contract shortly after I purchased the jeep. It was 3 1/2 years old and had about 32K miles on it when I purchased the contract. (the contract cost a lot less than the tranny rebuild)
I can't see any how the JOG issue would cause any engine problems, so the two are unrelated IMO.
Good luck, keep us informed.
|08-16-2013 09:52 AM|
Sorry for the delay in updating my information. Just spoke to the dealership today, had trouble with my cell all week. The engine failure was the #1 piston ring and rod assembly. Could this be caused by the issue described in tsb 21-001-10. Also any advice on how to handle the denied power train warranty would be much appreciated. Should I talk to the dealership or go straight to jeep customer care?
Also thanks for the reply jmb6420. And thanks for all the diagnostic and technical information USAntigoon, I hope retirement life is treating you well.
|08-13-2013 07:46 PM|
My powertrain coverage includes this: copied it from the contract.
the synchronizers are an 'internal part of the transmission case'
Why wouldn't they be covered?
I am assuming of course that you have the same or similar warranty that I do.
|08-13-2013 08:58 AM|
getting tsb work now, can this cause other problems if left unfixed?
I've had similar issues found throughout this post. I have a 2008 jeep wrangler sahara 2d with the jog issue. After a week the dealership claimed there was no problem with the transmission the first time I took my jeep in for this issue. This time they claimed they got the tsb after I had brought my jeep in the first time, but claim I had around 40k miles so the work was not covered then or now by the warranty or powertrain (can't confirm date/mileage since paperwork is in my jeep atm). By reading usantigoon's posts i knew my issue wasn't a cold condition issue that gets fixed if you shift slower until the vehicle warms up. Not sure I have much confidence in the tsb fix just yet, but keeping my fingers crossed. Will keep you posted on the work as I have more information.
My main concern and my original reason for getting service done this time around was a power issue, which i had originally thought was a timing issue which turns out to be a broken piston mount (not sure of exact name of the part, kinda dazed when mechanic said he might have to replace the entire engine before he opened it up to see how extensive the damage was). Was wondering if 3 years of letting a jog problem go (since they told me it wasn't a problem) could cause the piston mount to break. Also wondering why the broken piston and the tsb repair is not covered by the powertrain warranty. Can anyone confirm that the 1-2 synchronizer repair is in fact covered/not covered for sure. Will update with more specific information after I talk to the mechanic today.
|06-18-2013 01:53 PM|
I just got back from the dealer after having this issue fixed.
I want to start out by saying that I have no idea what it would have cost because I got an extended warranty when I bought my rig used a couple of years ago.
Everyone has reported their Jeep popping out of gear as the weather got colder, in my case the opposite has happened. Whether it's just that the gears have gotten more worn or if the heat made everything more flexible, I don't know but as the day time temps hare have been over 100 degrees for the last few weeks, my rig would pop out of 1st up to 6 times a day.
The first time I took it in, last month, they couldn't duplicate it. As it started happening more often, I took it in again and they said they would finally fix it. They dropped the transmission and completely replaced first gear and the 1-2 synchronizer assembly in accordance with the tech bulletin. They said the gears were definitely worn.
It felt good on the drive home, we'll have to see how it is in the long run.
|05-10-2013 02:06 PM|
I have never had a manual transmission car that didn't do this at least once. Even my S2K did it twice (once it was 8 degrees and the car was cold, once it was all my fault).
However, to the few people who observe it regularly on their Jeep, I agree that if you're sure it's not operator headspace and timing, then it's an anomaly.
|05-10-2013 12:48 PM|
I don't have near the technical knowledge of this issue that it sounds like he has, but I think it would take something more severe than popping out of gear to break the splines. I could see extra wear happening but not complete breakage.
Welcome to the forum by the way.
|05-09-2013 09:31 PM|
Read the dialogue in this thread..you seem to know technical aspects of this issue and the Jeep manual trans components....in your opinion, could this issue cause the clutch to fail? You mention 1/2 shift fork, dogteeth, etc. Would this issue cause 'teeth' to be broken, i.e. the 'thunck' that drivers mention throughout, could it be 'teeth' being broken off? I'm assuming this may be some type of gear wheel with cog teeth, is this the flywheel (Jeep part CR466102AA)? The fork, could this be a Jeep part described as a fork assy (fork assembly, Jeep Part # CR68089073AA)? Could this 'popping out of 1st gear' issue have caused problems sever enough that numerous clutch parts need replacement, i.e. besides fork assy above, the clutch kit, two bearing, and flywheel?
Your input would be greatly appreciated.
|02-28-2013 11:20 PM|
Updated info on my quest to find another mechanic to do the work described in the TSB (i.e., replace 1st gear & 1-2 synchro assembly).
On my 3rd non-dealer shop to look at it today. They said they simply cannot get parts anywhere. Everything related to this tranny is on backorder from Chrysler. He interpreted this to mean they know they have a problem with it and aren't making new parts until they come up with a better answer.
They even tried calling around to their supplier that does remanufactured trannies and those are even unavailable right now.
Don't know if that's all legit but it seems to make sense. Just find it hard to believe that the parts are now seemingly impossible to come by.
So it's either A) wait until parts come available or B) shell out $1700 to have the dealer do it (assuming they still have parts in stock when no one else does?????).
What a bummer.
|02-21-2013 03:27 PM|
Funny, I have the same problem. My '07 JKU started doing this about 6-months ago and it never occured to me to search my own forum.
Good info here
Edit: Not sure if it is somewhere in this thread (couldn't find it), but I was able to find the actual service bulletin on the interwebs: https://cda.extra.chrysler.com/icon/...s/2100110A.pdf
|02-21-2013 03:10 PM|
So my Jeep (2010 2dr) kicked me out of first violently a couple times and I was a little nervous but figured the extreme cold was at fault...except both the Jeep and I have seen worse cold and this has never been an issue...anywho, problem progressed to popping out of third and fifth as well. Decided it was time to look into it because I ended up in an accident. Google lead me to this thread. After a good read I headed into my dealer to have it looked at. He knew about the first gear problem (had fixed many) and had heard of boot problems but never seen one until I came in. Pulled off the boot and realized the inner boot was floating free and crooked. No longer covered under warranty (75000km on the Jeep) but no charge if I wanted to try to put her back together myself. Seems the last dealer may have caused this problem while checking out a clutch issue for me since the top boot was barely being held on when we pulled it off (2/3 clips broken). Drives like before now with no issues. Just gotta find a way to get the top boot to stay down since I'm cheap and don't want to pay the $50 for a new one. Thinking double sided tape lol. All this to say putting the inner boot back in place seems to have solved the problem and sometimes you will run into someone who knows what they're talking about!
|02-19-2013 10:23 PM|
|DavoArts||Mine was around $1200-1400 (warranty covered) but they did have to order the parts which took a week and the only guy at the dealership that was qualified to do the tranny work on the JK was out sick so I waited a few more days beyond that.|
|02-19-2013 08:46 PM|
Update: I've taken it to two shops here in town trying to find somebody that would do the TSB repair work for less than $1,700 that the dealer quoted. At both places their "expert" that normally does Jeep work has said he's quit working on them because parts are too hard to come by. I thought it sounded sketchy the first time I heard that excuse but to get it from another shop one week later is interesting.
Anyone else hearing that? I live in San Angelo, TX. Not a huge town (about 100,000) but not a one-horse town either.
|02-17-2013 07:48 PM|
Yes, it is a brand new vehicle. The dealership wants to tear down the transmission. I suggested the"park in reverse in cold weather"trick and it worked.
|02-16-2013 09:56 AM|
J E E P: Junk, Each & Every Part.
|02-15-2013 06:28 AM|
I make sure it's in gear and most of the time my hand stays on the shifter.
Don't know if this makes the difference but I have never had it happen?
|02-15-2013 01:02 AM|
|rics1997||It seems this thread reappears every winter. Makes one think it is a cold weather issue. Not that it doesn't happen in warmer weather but it does seem to be seen more during January and February more then any other time of the year. Same 6 speed used for 3.8 and 3.6 engines. Seems to be showing up in all of them. Not sure they really know what it is causing the issue.|
|02-15-2013 12:56 AM|
2, 4, and 6 speed JOG
My very close friend recently bought a 2-door 6 speed hardtop. She is a very experienced driver and also drives a Harley with a very hot engine. After numerous troubles with recent used vehicles, she sprung for the new Jeep. The first time she stopped at a light, it made a raspy noise - bad throwout bearing; not a good start. Even with this setback, she loved the engine and transmission. Much more refined than her last Jeep. No signs of any tranny problems frequently mentioned online. After a mild fall,cold weather set in, The transmission started popping out of second gear on a cold start. The dealership service department pulled the usual "you are a woman and can't drive stick", "We can't replicate the problem, so it doesn't exist"; and the best; No one at Chrysler has ever heard of this problem." After she insisted that the service manager drive another manual with her on a cold morning, they were converted. It popped out of second on his first shift. The fix was to replace the inner boot with a more flexible unit and install a stiffer spring. The result was a dramatic loss of shifting quality and excessive force to engage the gears. A second tinkering made matters worse. Now it pops out of 2nd 4th and 6th gears and won't stay in 6th at all. Now they are talking about tearing down the transmission. After all of these years, Chrysler should retire this troublesome transmission; maybe something from the Fiat parts bin. Obviously, spending $35,000 for this vehicle was a mistake. She has decided to try to trade it for an automatic model or go for the Lemon Law. By the way, this is a wonderful small town dealership. My 17 year old vehicle, bought new from them has over 250,000 miles with no major repairs and my 33 year old AMC Eagle runs like new. I'm going to suggest that she try leaving it in second at night until the next fix.
|02-10-2013 11:21 AM|
|Durwood||Yes, that would be awesome. However, there is no recall and it's outside of the original warranty. Lifetime powertrain warranty does not transfer beyond the original owner. So I will have to pay if I want it fixed.|
|02-09-2013 12:11 AM|
|UndauntedFlyer||No one should have to pay anything because the transmission problem is a manufacturing defect.|
|02-08-2013 12:36 AM|
|Durwood||What have people been paying for the TSB fix (1st gear & synchro assembly)? I saw one post on page 13 or so that said $1,200. Is that about right? My dealer in town just quoted me $1,700 and it sounded like highway robbery to me. Then again, he also quoted me $140 for a new gas cap so I guess it's safe to assume they think I was born yesterday?|
|01-14-2013 05:49 PM|
|DavoArts||Update on mine: they got the tranny torn down and will be performing the TSB repair which my extended warranty will end up covering. They have to order the parts and I might be jeepless for another week, but I am really impressed with them keeping me updated so far and if this issue gets knocked out it will be worth the wait.|
|01-08-2013 07:27 PM|
|01-08-2013 11:08 AM|
|01-07-2013 09:18 PM|
To add, I ended up on lemonlaw website while searching this issue and they have an article about this and I quoted the following:
"The good news is that our ASE-certified expert team has been thoroughly researching this issue and if you have been back in the shop repeated times to address the matter, we can help. Please call us at 1-800 LEMON LAW (1-800-536-6652) or drop us an e-mail and we will contact you to discuss your situation."
Anyone followed through with this that had this issue?
|01-07-2013 08:31 PM|
This doesn't make sense to me??? If the tranny is acting up and is under warranty, how can they even mention the teardown fee? It is up to them to diagnose and fix it. I had to leave mine with the dealer for a couple of weeks so they could duplicate the problem. Once it popped out on the service manager he called and told me it would be fixed. Tear down, evaluate, rebuild or replace.
Where in Oklahoma are you?
|01-07-2013 06:05 PM|
I have had this going on for a while, I finally took it to the dealer since I had a list of items that I wanted warranty work on, I have a 2008 jk and it's been popping HARD out of 1st pretty often, in all types of weather, all driving conditions, anyways I printed out the TSB and brought that in this morning to show the tech and I got a call this afternoon that they want to tear the transmission down to diagnose it and if the warranty doesn't cover the teardown (if they don't find anything to fix) then I'm stuck with the $772 teardown charge, but he was pretty positive about the warranty covering the work and he did specifically mention the 1-2 synchros most likely being the culprit. I'm scared about the $772 gamble (I had a piston slap problem on my old silverado and was scared away from any work because the warranty company threatened me with a $1500 engine teardown diagnostic fee if nothing was found). Anyways, I'm going ahead and praying that they fix whatever is causing it and the warranty covers it. It's a pretty big gamble between paying $100 deductible on my extended warranty and having it fixed versus paying $772 and NOT having it fixed...scary.
Anyways, hope I can have some good news later and can contribute to this forum some in the future.
|01-02-2013 04:44 AM|
|three eighty||The dealer here replaced first gear and it solved the problem. Haven't experienced JOG since.|
|01-01-2013 09:10 PM|
|cosner90||I thought I was the only one. My 2009 is out of warranty and I hate it when it does it. I'm almost tempted to trade it in for an automatic.|
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