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09-15-2013 12:50 PM
NWranglerS Can you run Rancho 9000xl (Front) RS999329 and (Rear) RS999330 shocks on the Teraflex Performance (coil) Leveling Kit? Or are they too long specifically for the only 1" lift in the rear?
09-10-2013 12:45 AM
R51
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Originally Posted by NWranglerS View Post
I have learned a ton in this thread so thanks everyone spreading your knowledge..

Here is where I'm at right now.. I would definitely like to take advantage of ranchos rebate and get 9000xl's, so whatever lift I decide on will be accompanied by new shocks.

Looking at many pics of lifted JK's, I think 35" tires paired with a 2.5" lift looks PERFECT (granted, every lift/jeep is different making it so hard to make a decision over pics. i.e I see two jeeps with the same lift/tires and they look different) With that said I do think 33" tires with a 2.5" coil lift still looks good, but in my opinion doesn't FULLY fill the wheel space.

Therefore I say to myself that with my 285/70r17's a 2" lift will be perfect height for a balanced look. However, I haven't seen a 2" suspension lift... only 2.5's or the TF 1.5" performance leveling kit (coils).

I would prefer to improve my ride and get new coils but I still can't pull the trigger on the TF 2.5" coil lift because I think I might have a little too much space in the wheel well and I am not switching the 35's.

Has anyone ran the TF performance (coils) leveling kit, and added spacers to it as well for more height? I'm thinking if I do this I will be getting the better ride I want with new coils, and I will be getting a little less height than if I went with a full 2.5" suspension lift. This would also be with new rancho shocks.

Or is this stupid because it would put me at just about 2.5" anyways? I'm just playing around with ideas and wondered if anyone has added spacers to the performance kit.
I walked this same thought process, including deciding on 33s so I didn't have dramatic changes in geometry with associated needs for upgrades. I couldn't convince myself that the 0.5" would make that big a difference. I didn't want to do the lift more than once by starting with spacers, then redoing it.

I know you will make the best decision for you, but for me, based on what you have said, I think you want the 2.5" TF lift and then done.
09-09-2013 10:47 PM
NWranglerS Looks good formula! nicely done
09-09-2013 10:44 PM
NWranglerS
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Originally Posted by Knuckles65 View Post
Here's the only one I think I have. I'll dig through some more and see what I can find...

Awesome thank you.
09-09-2013 06:22 PM
formula96 I was in the same position until I came across some 18 59 springs and shocks off of a rubicon. Put them on gained 1.5 in front .75 in the back. Then added 1.5 wheel spacers and had 315/70r17 duratracs installed Saturday. I must say I AM IN LOVE!!! Trying to post a picture...

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/g...ttachment8.jpg

09-09-2013 05:25 PM
jasavak
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Originally Posted by rubisteph View Post
Just make sure you buy the 9000's for a lifted Wrangler and not a stock one. Better yet, I know Rancho use to run stock lenght shocks on 2-3 inch lifts..... That's what they had sent me for my XJ..... Maybe they corrected that practice, but make sure they send shocks that are as longer as the stock shocks, as your BB will be.

I have a stock 2011 JKU Rubicon with 4.10 gears and 6-speed manual . The only thing I have added is a Gobi rack . I am considering going to a 15” wheel with a 35” x 12.5 tire, what do you recommend for wheels , tires or lifting ?



I would like the most modest lift as possible in order to try to keep most of the integrity . I don’t mind changing shocks and I will need different rims .

Driving Profile:

7,000 miles annually . Used on very rough remote roads in Colorado for prospecting , fishing and camping . I rarely drive it over 65 mph on freeway .

Any and all tips are appreciated .
09-09-2013 05:02 PM
Knuckles65 Keep in mind, these are on two different driveways - the first one is at the house and it's on a slope. The second one is at a friends house. It does make it look different.
09-09-2013 05:00 PM
Knuckles65 Here's the only one I think I have. I'll dig through some more and see what I can find...

09-09-2013 04:26 PM
NWranglerS
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Originally Posted by Knuckles65 View Post
Lots of good info in this thread.

There's another thing to think about going with 35's...tire carrier. While some say they fit on the stock tire carrier, others say they don't. Since you mentioned not doing bumpers in the near future, you need to think about it now.

I've gone with a 2.5 TF coil lift and Bilstein 5100's and couldn't be happier...even on my stock, 255/75/17 Rubicon wheels/tires. This week, I've ordered a set of wheels and 295/70/17 Terra Grappler MT's...these will be about 34 +/- inches...probably around 33.75" after all is said and done. While this is an increase in diameter and weight, I'm not anticipating problems getting it on the stock tire carrier. I'll monitor it closely to make sure I don't have any issues with the stock carrier.

Here's how mine is sitting right now (Commando Green one is mine) after the 2.5" TF coil lift - stock wheels/tires - although, I do have 1.5" Spidertrax wheels spacers in both of these pics -


The addition of the front bumper and winch dropped the front end about 5/8 of an inch.

Here it is before the lift - the day I brought it home -


Another thing to keep in mind - a 2.5" will not "require" additional items such as drive shafts, t-case drops, etc. which is why they are so popular. Going higher will/may require additional mods to support the lift.

Hope this helps shed some light on things for you!
Hey Knuckles, I love your stance with the 2.5" lift. Do you have any pics of your jeep with the 2.5" before you swapped out the stock bumper?
09-09-2013 04:25 PM
NWranglerS
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Originally Posted by kjeeper10 View Post
Coils doesn't necessarily mean a better ride. The stock coils are pretty soft. Most aftermarket coils are stiffer for weight. That's why some jeeps are higher with the same lift. The great thing about spacers, they're inexpensive and will lift the jeep exactly 2.5" avoiding other modifications. Nothing says you can't swap for coils later if things change.

If you are truly set on 2" coils. Synergy makes many different sizes. Nothing says your have to buy a kit. Very easy to piece around coils you want,
Thanks Ken
09-09-2013 12:51 AM
kjeeper10
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Originally Posted by NWranglerS View Post
I have learned a ton in this thread so thanks everyone spreading your knowledge..

Here is where I'm at right now.. I would definitely like to take advantage of ranchos rebate and get 9000xl's, so whatever lift I decide on will be accompanied by new shocks.

Looking at many pics of lifted JK's, I think 35" tires paired with a 2.5" lift looks PERFECT (granted, every lift/jeep is different making it so hard to make a decision over pics. i.e I see two jeeps with the same lift/tires and they look different) With that said I do think 33" tires with a 2.5" coil lift still looks good, but in my opinion doesn't FULLY fill the wheel space.

Therefore I say to myself that with my 285/70r17's a 2" lift will be perfect height for a balanced look. However, I haven't seen a 2" suspension lift... only 2.5's or the TF 1.5" performance leveling kit (coils).

I would prefer to improve my ride and get new coils but I still can't pull the trigger on the TF 2.5" coil lift because I think I might have a little too much space in the wheel well and I am not switching the 35's.

Has anyone ran the TF performance (coils) leveling kit, and added spacers to it as well for more height? I'm thinking if I do this I will be getting the better ride I want with new coils, and I will be getting a little less height than if I went with a full 2.5" suspension lift. This would also be with new rancho shocks.

Or is this stupid because it would put me at just about 2.5" anyways? I'm just playing around with ideas and wondered if anyone has added spacers to the performance kit.
Coils doesn't necessarily mean a better ride. The stock coils are pretty soft. Most aftermarket coils are stiffer for weight. That's why some jeeps are higher with the same lift. The great thing about spacers, they're inexpensive and will lift the jeep exactly 2.5" avoiding other modifications. Nothing says you can't swap for coils later if things change.

If you are truly set on 2" coils. Synergy makes many different sizes. Nothing says your have to buy a kit. Very easy to piece around coils you want,
09-08-2013 11:40 PM
NWranglerS I have learned a ton in this thread so thanks everyone spreading your knowledge..

Here is where I'm at right now.. I would definitely like to take advantage of ranchos rebate and get 9000xl's, so whatever lift I decide on will be accompanied by new shocks.

Looking at many pics of lifted JK's, I think 35" tires paired with a 2.5" lift looks PERFECT (granted, every lift/jeep is different making it so hard to make a decision over pics. i.e I see two jeeps with the same lift/tires and they look different) With that said I do think 33" tires with a 2.5" coil lift still looks good, but in my opinion doesn't FULLY fill the wheel space.

Therefore I say to myself that with my 285/70r17's a 2" lift will be perfect height for a balanced look. However, I haven't seen a 2" suspension lift... only 2.5's or the TF 1.5" performance leveling kit (coils).

I would prefer to improve my ride and get new coils but I still can't pull the trigger on the TF 2.5" coil lift because I think I might have a little too much space in the wheel well and I am not switching the 35's.

Has anyone ran the TF performance (coils) leveling kit, and added spacers to it as well for more height? I'm thinking if I do this I will be getting the better ride I want with new coils, and I will be getting a little less height than if I went with a full 2.5" suspension lift. This would also be with new rancho shocks.

Or is this stupid because it would put me at just about 2.5" anyways? I'm just playing around with ideas and wondered if anyone has added spacers to the performance kit.
09-08-2013 10:34 PM
kjeeper10
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Originally Posted by NWranglerS View Post

Hey Ken, would these be the correct length shock to add to a 2" spacer kit as well? I notice these kits usually come with extension brackets so I assume you would get longer shocks then stock?
Yessir
09-08-2013 09:49 PM
NWranglerS
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Originally Posted by kjeeper10 View Post
And those would be (last 2 #'s) 29xl front and 30xl rear. These are around 10" travel shocks. Perfect for 2.5" of lift height.
Hey Ken, would these be the correct length shock to add to a 2" spacer kit as well? I notice these kits usually come with extension brackets so I assume you would get longer shocks then stock?
09-08-2013 09:27 PM
flipmeover Subbed... lots of good info in this thread. This is coming up for me as well with the same basic parameters.
09-08-2013 08:18 PM
NWranglerS Thanks guys, that question was coming up eventually.
09-08-2013 07:25 PM
kjeeper10 And those would be (last 2 #'s) 29xl front and 30xl rear. These are around 10" travel shocks. Perfect for 2.5" of lift height.
09-08-2013 07:23 PM
rubisteph Just make sure you buy the 9000's for a lifted Wrangler and not a stock one. Better yet, I know Rancho use to run stock lenght shocks on 2-3 inch lifts..... That's what they had sent me for my XJ..... Maybe they corrected that practice, but make sure they send shocks that are as longer as the stock shocks, as your BB will be.
09-08-2013 06:09 PM
kjeeper10 Good luck my friend
09-08-2013 06:07 PM
NWranglerS
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Originally Posted by kjeeper10 View Post

You maintain the stock shock feel and limit up travel using the extensions. I wouldn't bother using stock sport shocks. i would run the Rubi/Sahara shocks in a pinch.
Okay I just wanted to make sure that with the 2.5 BB, even if I don't change the coils, I will feel a better ride quality if I put the rancho 9000's in. Thanks Ken. Don't worry, I will have more questions for you soon!

Just have to run the numbers and decide between the TF 2.5 BB or 2.5 coil lift.
09-08-2013 05:50 PM
kjeeper10
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Originally Posted by NWranglerS View Post
Thanks kjeeper

I posted this a number of posts ago and I think it might have gotten lost in the thread...

But If i do go the 2.5 BB route, can someone explain to me what the difference would be between using shock extenders with OE shocks and putting on new shocks (say 9000's with the rebate) in terms of ride quality? I understand coils improve handling and ride but since the BB uses spacers and keeps stock coils, what difference should one expect changing out the shocks?
You maintain the stock shock feel and limit up travel using the extensions. I wouldn't bother using stock sport shocks. i would run the Rubi/Sahara shocks in a pinch.
09-08-2013 05:29 PM
NWranglerS Thanks kjeeper

I posted this a number of posts ago and I think it might have gotten lost in the thread...

But If i do go the 2.5 BB route, can someone explain to me what the difference would be between using shock extenders with OE shocks and putting on new shocks (say 9000's with the rebate) in terms of ride quality? I understand coils improve handling and ride but since the BB uses spacers and keeps stock coils, what difference should one expect changing out the shocks?
09-08-2013 05:15 PM
kjeeper10
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Originally Posted by NWranglerS View Post

So if the 7000 is more performance based and 9000 is more for a daily driver, I should go with the 9000's seeing that its my DD with out much wheeling? Even though the 9000 would be better for a 4 dr with more weight, 9000 would still be softer for on road driving than 7000's for a 2 dr correct?

As always thanks for the help, sorry I didn't see your post in the rancho thread.
Yes.. For DD the 9000's are great. I would have no issues running them again.
09-08-2013 05:11 PM
NWranglerS
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Originally Posted by kjeeper10 View Post

I posted this in the Rancho thread

"The 7000 is more performance designed. The ride is firmer but not nearly as firm as - let's say the Bilstien 5100. Soaks of bumps and dissipates heat well. The 9000 is more daily driver/weekend warrior. The adjustability makes it great on and off road, but tend to fade more over wash boards I think a 4 door would do better with the 9000's because its heavier. Running the shocks at 8-9 would be too stiff on a 2 door. On a 4 door a little more control in dampening even with some fade"
So if the 7000 is more performance based and 9000 is more for a daily driver, I should go with the 9000's seeing that its my DD with out much wheeling? Even though the 9000 would be better for a 4 dr with more weight, 9000 would still be softer for on road driving than 7000's for a 2 dr correct?

As always thanks for the help, sorry I didn't see your post in the rancho thread.
09-08-2013 04:53 PM
kjeeper10
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Originally Posted by brighton View Post

I don't disagree that geometry is affected, and if you go higher than 2"-2.5" you can spend a lot of money to make it drive as good or better than stock. My only real complaint about the original post was the part I quoted, the part about a stock Jeep being "the perfect off-road machine."

The stock springs and shocks are just not high-quality. That's not even considering that stock ball joints, axles, driveshafts, etc. are not comparable to heavier duty aftermarket equipment. A stock Jeep is the perfect off-road machine? Nah, I'm not convinced. Better than just about any other stock vehicle, but it can certainly be improved upon.
Tell that to AEV

I do agree the stock suspension can be improved on.
09-08-2013 04:30 PM
brighton
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Originally Posted by kjeeper10 View Post
He is absolutely correct ^ even a small lift effects geometry/angles a such.

Seems no two jeeps act the same either. What gets me most is the 4" lifts with only coils /shocks, maybe longer sway bar links and "drives better then stock"

I have a good amount of money in my jeep. 35's, Front axle alignment is good. Highsteer and great shocks. Longgg way to go still before she drives better then stock. If even possible
I don't disagree that geometry is affected, and if you go higher than 2"-2.5" you can spend a lot of money to make it drive as good or better than stock. My only real complaint about the original post was the part I quoted, the part about a stock Jeep being "the perfect off-road machine."

The stock springs and shocks are just not high-quality. That's not even considering that stock ball joints, axles, driveshafts, etc. are not comparable to heavier duty aftermarket equipment. A stock Jeep is the perfect off-road machine? Nah, I'm not convinced. Better than just about any other stock vehicle, but it can certainly be improved upon.
09-08-2013 03:11 PM
kjeeper10
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Originally Posted by NWranglerS View Post
With a much lighter 2 dr Jk, which rancho shocks would be best for the majority of driving on road?

What is the differences between the r9000xl and 7000mt? I know the 9000's have 9 different setting to choose from which is awesome.
I posted this in the Rancho thread

"The 7000 is more performance designed. The ride is firmer but not nearly as firm as - let's say the Bilstien 5100. Soaks of bumps and dissipates heat well. The 9000 is more daily driver/weekend warrior. The adjustability makes it great on and off road, but tend to fade more over wash boards I think a 4 door would do better with the 9000's because its heavier. Running the shocks at 8-9 would be too stiff on a 2 door. On a 4 door a little more control in dampening even with some fade"
09-08-2013 02:59 PM
NWranglerS With a much lighter 2 dr Jk, which rancho shocks would be best for the majority of driving on road?

What is the differences between the r9000xl and 7000mt? I know the 9000's have 9 different setting to choose from which is awesome.
09-08-2013 02:51 PM
kjeeper10
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Originally Posted by rubisteph View Post

Well, the principle reason for a lift is to fit bigger tires cause the only way to have more ground clearance under the axles, is with tires.

The 2.5 you have is the very limit I would go. With this said, your jeep has nowhere near the power it had with stock 32 inch tires, your driveline is more vulnerable cause of the greater driveshafts angle and added weight of your new tire set-up.

So unless you have at least 4.10 gears, longer control arms to bring back the axles to their intended location and longer driveshafts to make up for the higher under belly , you don't have a better jeep.....

But you know what, I have a lot of experience with jeeps and have lifted tons of them. I would have told off any old geaser that would have told me that my 3inch teraflex lifted Tj with a 1 inch bodylift and 33inch GY MTRS was not a well built jeep.

So I am back after experiences with Land Rovers and don't want the role of that old geaser that pisses in peoples corn flakes.... I'm here for fun and want to learn and catch up with what I missed in the last 6 years.

Sorry if I offended anyone.... but nothing beats experience, and mine has thought me what I am sharing with you.

Steph
He is absolutely correct ^ even a small lift effects geometry/angles a such.

Seems no two jeeps act the same either. What gets me most is the 4" lifts with only coils /shocks, maybe longer sway bar links and "drives better then stock"

I have a good amount of money in my jeep. 35's, Front axle alignment is good. Highsteer and great shocks. Longgg way to go still before she drives better then stock. If even possible
09-08-2013 02:03 PM
rubisteph
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Originally Posted by brighton View Post

You must have bought a different jeep than me. Perfection? My 2.5" RK lift with 35's drives better on-road than it did stock, and off-road there is no comparison. Stock is perfect...hmmm.
Well, the principle reason for a lift is to fit bigger tires cause the only way to have more ground clearance under the axles, is with tires.

The 2.5 you have is the very limit I would go. With this said, your jeep has nowhere near the power it had with stock 32 inch tires, your driveline is more vulnerable cause of the greater driveshafts angle and added weight of your new tire set-up.

So unless you have at least 4.10 gears, longer control arms to bring back the axles to their intended location and longer driveshafts to make up for the higher under belly , you don't have a better jeep.....

But you know what, I have a lot of experience with jeeps and have lifted tons of them. I would have told off any old geaser that would have told me that my 3inch teraflex lifted Tj with a 1 inch bodylift and 33inch GY MTRS was not a well built jeep.

So I am back after experiences with Land Rovers and don't want the role of that old geaser that pisses in peoples corn flakes.... I'm here for fun and want to learn and catch up with what I missed in the last 6 years.

Sorry if I offended anyone.... but nothing beats experience, and mine has thought me what I am sharing with you.

Steph
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