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09-15-2013 06:29 PM
xjrguy
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Originally Posted by surf4doc View Post
Jesus Christ some of you guys are so f---ing rude
There have been some very good responses here. I don't think anyone has been rude to you or anyone else.

IMHO you aren't going to get much help here copping an attitude.

This is a good group here and a thicker skin will help you or anyone out when interacting on an internet forum.
09-15-2013 03:29 PM
Thegame
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Originally Posted by surf4doc View Post
Jesus Christ some of you guys are so f---ing rude
They are not rude just because they don't agree with you. Grow up.
09-15-2013 03:16 PM
surf4doc Jesus Christ some of you guys are so f---ing rude
09-12-2013 09:20 AM
Aeschylus
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Originally Posted by NMBruce View Post
Got say it, 70 mpg in hard rain with roads flooding, REALLY????? Slow down, the life you save might be someone else.
So, that is the secret to good gas mileage!

Drive so fast in the rain that the Jeep just floats across the surface of the road!
09-12-2013 06:13 AM
CodyLee1337 Faster than 55 in 4wd-Hi sounds like a bad idea...and if you're needing 4wd that badly it's still probably not wise to be near 55. Just sayin...4wd is for messy situations where you don't get stuck. Not so you can speed home in bad weather conditions.
09-12-2013 06:06 AM
ave8er
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Originally Posted by NMBruce View Post
Got say it, 70 mpg in hard rain with roads flooding, REALLY????? Slow down, the life you save might be someone else.
Yeah and make sure you stay in the fast lane and don't forget to put your hazard flashers on...
09-12-2013 03:36 AM
NMBruce
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Originally Posted by surf4doc View Post
I live in the lightening capitol of the world and everyday we have really bad thunderstorms during the summer months. I am an Auto Consultant, my own business, I had to drive 25miles to do a car deal on Fri. I had 275x70x18's put on my 10th Anniversary and if I hit any puddles or pools of water, it feels like I am going to lose control of the Jeep. I am used to driving my BMW X3 all wheel drive. I have been in the car business 33 yrs and actually didn't know I could drive at higher speeds in 4wd. What a world of difference in handling in the rain the 4wd made. So if you are ever in bad rains just put it in 4wd and it's a lot safer.
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Originally Posted by surf4doc View Post
I had very aggressive directional Michelins on the X3 and I put Nitto Terra Grappler All Terraine 275x70x18
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Originally Posted by surf4doc;
Thank you Bill and I did go 70mph and yes it was raining hard all day and the roads were flooded. I understand the short wheel base and rear wheel drive and the larger wheels and tires but it was scarey when I felt like I was going to lose control.
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Originally Posted by surf4doc View Post
Excuse me!!!! I have been in the car bus for 33 yrs and I do understand how things work and I have owned probably 50 some cars,because I can, all kinds, all shapes, all configurations and I had a very very successful selling career for a long time. That's unusual for a FEMALE!!!!!!!! I had to know my products and how things worked.

I guessing you really don't know your products as well as you think. After 33 years of being in the car business and you don't seem to know what the affects of standing water will have on tires and traction. Here's a little reading for you http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tirete....jsp?techid=16.

As for the "Female" comment, I know a few of them that know more about cars and how they handle and drive, I'm thinking better than you do.

Got say it, 70 mpg in hard rain with roads flooding, REALLY????? Slow down, the life you save might be someone else.
09-11-2013 06:53 AM
panthermark
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Originally Posted by C.L. View Post
When in doubt, throttle out?

If at first you don't succeed, hit it in 2nd with more gas! And remember, safety 3rd...

As long as the greasy bits are lower than the shiny bits, you're doing great!
09-11-2013 06:52 AM
panthermark
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Originally Posted by COLOUJK View Post
You are incorrect here. When in 4hi you can drive the Jeep at any speed you normally would. You can also make turns on roads as well. You might start getting the lurching of the Jeep if you are doing right hand turns at a light, but if following the curves of a road its completely safe to stay in 4wd even on dry pavement. There is simply not enough differential between the front and rear of Jeep for it to notice.

I have driven in patchy conditions on both a XJ and my JK. Never had a problem with staying in 4hi if the road suddenly goes dry for a little bit.

In the owners manual they recommend not switching into 4hi above I think 40 MPH but I have switched into it doing 50/60 before with no ill affects.


To the OP, the wider the tires you run the more you will get a pulling from hitting deep spots of water. Try hitting a patch in the road with 315's
No, that is incorrect.
From page 434 of the 2013 OM:
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Driving in the 4H and 4L positions on hardsurfaced
roads will cause increased tire wear and damage
to the driveline components
.
This is what most people need to understand:
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Because four-wheel drive provides improved traction,
there is a tendency to exceed safe turning and stopping
speeds. Do not go faster than road conditions permit.
In bad weather, SLOW DOWN.
09-11-2013 06:43 AM
C.L. When in doubt, throttle out?

If at first you don't succeed, hit it in 2nd with more gas! And remember, safety 3rd...

As long as the greasy bits are lower than the shiny bits, you're doing great!
09-11-2013 06:29 AM
panthermark
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Originally Posted by Jstraw View Post
When it's raining super hard and I'm on hwy roads, I'll pop it into 4wd... I'd does help with hydroplaning, if it starts I throttle through it. Hydroplaning can happen when the wheels with no power spin slower causing a surfing effect. I've driven through some deep laying water in 4wd and the tires cut right through. Hwy curves seem ok in 4wd but when I'm slowing and sharp turns as well as stop and go turning, I pop it out of 4wd. It is not good on the drive trane to turn on asphalt. If you can feel resistance, you are doing damage. I like jeep 4wd on-the-fly for just those purposes. My 8th jeep and been driving like this for a long time with no problems.

How would 4WD help with hydroplaning? And when you start to hydroplane, why would you throttle through it as opposed to slowing down?
09-10-2013 11:59 PM
COLOUJK
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Originally Posted by Txrdstr View Post
Big diff between 4wd and awd. Straight line, no prob, curves can be an issue... Also t- is not designed for continual high speed 4wd.
You are incorrect here. When in 4hi you can drive the Jeep at any speed you normally would. You can also make turns on roads as well. You might start getting the lurching of the Jeep if you are doing right hand turns at a light, but if following the curves of a road its completely safe to stay in 4wd even on dry pavement. There is simply not enough differential between the front and rear of Jeep for it to notice.

I have driven in patchy conditions on both a XJ and my JK. Never had a problem with staying in 4hi if the road suddenly goes dry for a little bit.

In the owners manual they recommend not switching into 4hi above I think 40 MPH but I have switched into it doing 50/60 before with no ill affects.


To the OP, the wider the tires you run the more you will get a pulling from hitting deep spots of water. Try hitting a patch in the road with 315's
09-10-2013 10:34 PM
weaselpiuf The difference that actually matters in the rain are the tires.
09-10-2013 10:29 PM
Jstraw When it's raining super hard and I'm on hwy roads, I'll pop it into 4wd... I'd does help with hydroplaning, if it starts I throttle through it. Hydroplaning can happen when the wheels with no power spin slower causing a surfing effect. I've driven through some deep laying water in 4wd and the tires cut right through. Hwy curves seem ok in 4wd but when I'm slowing and sharp turns as well as stop and go turning, I pop it out of 4wd. It is not good on the drive trane to turn on asphalt. If you can feel resistance, you are doing damage. I like jeep 4wd on-the-fly for just those purposes. My 8th jeep and been driving like this for a long time with no problems.
09-10-2013 09:47 PM
Txrdstr
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Originally Posted by Up Hill Bill View Post

I can't find a word about maximum speed in 4-HI in my 2012 Owners Manual. It says 25 MPH is max in 4-LO, but just says this about 4-HI:

But, I would think 70 was a bit excessive in the conditions you described!

One of my favorite attributes of the Wrangler is that I feel no need to speed... 60 on the highway is good for me. I'd usually rather drive my Jeep than get wherever I'm going in a big hurry....
In the OP defense, I did look it up and the owners manual online did say 4wd hi speed is the maximum safe speed. But not I I. A pt 4wd. I know how pt 4wd works and either could be an ugly crash, or expensive breakdown.
09-10-2013 09:13 PM
Bertman This is more entertaining than the bacon, boobs, and beer thread!
09-10-2013 09:12 PM
Bertman
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Originally Posted by surf4doc View Post
I did go 70mph and yes it was raining hard all day and the roads were flooded.
How'd you plan on stopping that thing quickly if need be?
09-10-2013 09:06 PM
gr8fulKID Get one of these jeep and youll never have to worry!

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09-10-2013 09:00 PM
Up Hill Bill
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Originally Posted by surf4doc View Post
Thank you Bill and I did go 70mph and yes it was raining hard all day and the roads were flooded. I understand the short wheel base and rear wheel drive and the larger wheels and tires but it was scarey when I felt like I was going to lose control.
I can't find a word about maximum speed in 4-HI in my 2012 Owners Manual. It says 25 MPH is max in 4-LO, but just says this about 4-HI:

Attachment 334625

But, I would think 70 was a bit excessive in the conditions you described!

One of my favorite attributes of the Wrangler is that I feel no need to speed... 60 on the highway is good for me. I'd usually rather drive my Jeep than get wherever I'm going in a big hurry....
09-10-2013 08:59 PM
CharlesS Doesn't matter what tires you have or what vehicle you are driving... driving at 70 MPH in the heavy rain is not something I would do...
You stand a good chance of finding yourself backwards in oncoming traffice, down in a ditch or even worse becoming one with a immovable object.... JMHO
09-10-2013 08:40 PM
surf4doc [QUOTE=Up Hill Bill;4460537]I didn't notice what surf's top speed was while in 4WD. If it was under about 45 and the roads were really awash with hydroplaning type surface water, 4WD may have been an OK choice. Without seeing the actual conditions, I'm not going to guess that they did something wrong. In the situation, it may have been brilliant. We can't really know, IMHO.[/QUOTE
Thank you Bill and I did go 70mph and yes it was raining hard all day and the roads were flooded. I understand the short wheel base and rear wheel drive and the larger wheels and tires but it was scarey when I felt like I was going to lose control.
09-10-2013 08:39 PM
Scottdozerjeep
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Originally Posted by Ruby Tuesday View Post
it amazes me how many people who own part time 4wd vehicles dont understand how they work or when to use/not use 4wd
Agreed. In this info age of www people still choose ignorance over simple research!
09-10-2013 08:29 PM
Up Hill Bill I didn't notice what surf's top speed was while in 4WD. If it was under about 45 and the roads were really awash with hydroplaning type surface water, 4WD may have been an OK choice. Without seeing the actual conditions, I'm not going to guess that the OP did something wrong. In the situation, it may have been brilliant. We can't really know, IMHO.
09-10-2013 08:25 PM
Up Hill Bill
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Originally Posted by surf4doc View Post
What's the OP?
OP = Original Poster. In this thread, that's you, WFriend.
09-10-2013 08:24 PM
surf4doc
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Originally Posted by WatchThis! View Post
You shouldn't be to surprised, lots of people can't even change a tire much less understand how a vehicle works. Most people could care less as long as they can just put gas in it and it goes.
Excuse me!!!! I have been in the car bus for 33 yrs and I do understand how things work and I have owned probably 50 some cars,because I can, all kinds, all shapes, all configurations and I had a very very successful selling career for a long time. That's unusual for a FEMALE!!!!!!!! I had to know my products and how things worked.
09-10-2013 08:20 PM
Txrdstr
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Originally Posted by surf4doc View Post
So why would my salesman tell me to drive at any speed in 4wd
Because he/she don't know any better either.
09-10-2013 08:18 PM
surf4doc
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Originally Posted by Txrdstr View Post
Big diff between 4wd and awd. Straight line, no prob, curves can be an issue... Also t-case is not designed for continual high speed 4wd.
So why would my salesman tell me to drive at any speed in 4wd
09-10-2013 08:17 PM
surf4doc
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Originally Posted by panthermark View Post
The OP is running Nitto Terra Grapplers
What's the OP?
09-10-2013 08:15 PM
surf4doc [QUOTE=NMBruce;4403689]What type of consulting do you do?

which tires did you put on our 10A? Which tires are on the BMW? Tires can make a big difference in hydroplaning than anything else, how much water can the tires move and what grip do they provide in the wet.[I had very aggressive directional Michelins on the X3 and I put Nitto Terra Grappler All Terraine 275x70x18
09-09-2013 09:41 AM
WatchThis!
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Originally Posted by Ruby Tuesday View Post
it amazes me how many people who own part time 4wd vehicles dont understand how they work or when to use/not use 4wd
You shouldn't be to surprised, lots of people can't even change a tire much less understand how a vehicle works. Most people could care less as long as they can just put gas in it and it goes.
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