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03-26-2014 05:24 PM
LJEEPJ
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Originally Posted by Verf View Post
Patlisa, I'm glad you as as happy as I, and the many other 6 speed owners are! Planning on going to the Topless Day in Monson, MA on May 17th? Let me know, maybe we can finally meet!

Digger84...ugh. Troll. All he said was he was happy. And yet you STILL had to jump on here and put yer damned copy n pasted, beat his horse, blahblahblah about a article from JP mag, that I think only you read. We GET it. You, YOU do not like the 6 speed. Yet, I just put 5k on mine (making it 83k) in the year I've owned it, no issues. I'll change the fluid this spring cause the PO didn't know when the drive line fluids had ever been changed. You say they couldn't get oPne to last, yet you have two guys right here with 112k and 83k on their rigs that have lasted and I tow with mine. I just don't get you.
Probably not at this time. Should be in Birmingham, Al for one of our daughter's graduation from Samford Univ. ...in fact it's on the 17th. Nope, not taking the LJ , we're either flying or train. Have to drive the daughter's car back. She's doing some travelling with the prospective fiancé for a few months. Fly sparrow...fly. I think she maybe starting to understand the no turnstiles on the door. Fly free sparrow...fly free.

Apologies to the OP for misdirecting your thread, but I think your question has been answered.....find and go get the LJ.
03-26-2014 11:31 AM
lynn I still have the window sticker from my 05 LJ. It is identified as the Sport package.

I bought it in May of 2007. Paid 17,900.
It had 10,150 miles on it

I've put on a 3" lift, 33s, various armor.
Drained the six-speed and refilled with Amsoil Synchromesh fluid. Never a problem, just can't speed shift 1st to second. Shift it slow and deliberate and it doesn't object.

Today it has 56K miles, still my DD (only 4 miles to work).
I've fixed the fuel fill spillage issue. Soon plan on installing a Dorman OPDA as a preventive measure.
Seven years into it, I still love my LJ.
03-26-2014 11:17 AM
LJEEPJ
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Originally Posted by Digger84 View Post
The plural of anecdote is not data

I don't have to burn down my house to know that washing parts in gasoline in the garage is a bad idea and a hand full of people sayings it worked out for them does not make it a good idea.

I hope it works but all the woes posted by owners is enough to keep me away. At least a new brand new AX15 is cheaper then a 6 spd rebuild if and when you need one.

I guess for you anyone's conflicting opinion or experience is to be discounted. Head fells good in that sand?
7 Complaints: 2005 Jeep Wrangler Power Train: Manual Transmission Problems

Consequently 1998 Jeep Wrangler Problems, Defects & Complaints

Just some food for thought.
03-26-2014 10:25 AM
LJEEPJ
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Originally Posted by k2enemy View Post
I got an 06 LJ for 6k a few weeks back with 58k on the clock
I bought it off my mom though...
You stole a deal off your mother??? And you call yourself a Christianburger.
03-26-2014 10:06 AM
Digger84 The plural of anecdote is not data

I don't have to burn down my house to know that washing parts in gasoline in the garage is a bad idea and a hand full of people sayings it worked out for them does not make it a good idea.

I hope it works but all the woes posted by owners is enough to keep me away. At least a new brand new AX15 is cheaper then a 6 spd rebuild if and when you need one.

I guess for you anyone's conflicting opinion or experience is to be discounted. Head fells good in that sand?
03-26-2014 09:50 AM
Verf Patlisa, I'm glad you as as happy as I, and the many other 6 speed owners are! Planning on going to the Topless Day in Monson, MA on May 17th? Let me know, maybe we can finally meet!

Digger84...ugh. Troll. All he said was he was happy. And yet you STILL had to jump on here and put yer damned copy n pasted, beat his horse, blahblahblah about a article from JP mag, that I think only you read. We GET it. You, YOU do not like the 6 speed. Yet, I just put 5k on mine (making it 83k) in the year I've owned it, no issues. I'll change the fluid this spring cause the PO didn't know when the drive line fluids had ever been changed. You say they couldn't get one to last, yet you have two guys right here with 112k and 83k on their rigs that have lasted and I tow with mine. I just don't get you.
03-26-2014 08:47 AM
Digger84 Not just me, not to many places rate trannys but JP mag did and the the only 2 TJ trannies that made the hall of shame were the AX5 which everyone hates on and the german 6 speed which looked so good on paper they swapped one into an early TJ but sadly discovered they just could not get one to last.

Good luck.
03-26-2014 07:32 AM
LJEEPJ
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Originally Posted by Verf View Post
Not to go off topic or flame, but Digger, I looked over your 18 posts, and a couple of them speak particularly about the 6 speed manual being the 'weakest' or worst ever used. And then someone points out that its not true. Then a few days later, someone elses asks a tranny question or a LJ question and again, you say the 6 speed is the 'worst', etc, but never explain it or back it up. You keep spewing the same stuff without backing it up. Same with the OPDA thing. Like NJO said, look around, get GOOD info, before you start spreading what you think is correct, instead of just repeating the same dribble. Now, maybe we ARE wrong (doubtful), but it could happen. Show some numbers, some reports, some PROOF that these trannys that we are running suck so bad, start with who 'reported' them to be the 'weakest'?

And now, back to your regular scheduled thread...

I purchased a sports car off Ebay, and drove to pick it up. Was a learning experience, but would def do it again. Like I say, bought my LJ Rubi in May from WF For Sale section from a member in May for $18k and would do it again and flew down and drove her home. Its all about patience, knowing what you want and willing to pay for the right Jeep, in the right condition, at the right time. NADA had mine listed as high as $22k, KBB around $20k, the guy wanted a pickup cause he did construction on the side and there wasn't anywhere to off road where he lived. Panned out for me. If you don't have a loan, get pre-approved so when the right one DOES come along, you don't get crushed to find out you don't qualify for it or it'll take a few days and this guy will only hold it til tomorrow, etc.
Plus on the travelling to find your LJ. 8.5 hours here for ours. Got a lot of help from members here and especially Verf to come to a decision on our LJ, only had pics and talked to the owner of the dealership. Had some questions before I went to get it, glad I listened to some good advice. thanks Verf. Love ours with the 6spd...112K on the clock and ended up paying 11K flat. There is only so many of them left, weren't that many made. The rare gem IMO, 06 Rubi LJ, but I am very happy with our purchase. Verf, all my consternation before I went down, has never come to fruition. Translation.....I didn't hear any whine when I got there, didn't hear it on the ride home....haven't heard it since. Could be there, but can't hear it due to my hearing
09-20-2013 04:37 PM
dbsanders
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Originally Posted by CRolandLJ View Post
I think the key is finding someone who's not a jeep person and/or doesn't have any emotional connection. For instance I bought mine from the son of a retired couple. A dealer might even fall into this category.
Definitely some truth to this. I bought mine from a 30-year-old Hollywood model/actress that was moving out of state. She didn't even know what the overdrive button did.
09-20-2013 02:57 PM
CRolandLJ I bought my LJ from some old folks with 8500 miles. Eight thousand five hundred. For $18,000 in 2010, when it was 4 years old. I seriously considered reselling it because similar jeeps were going for over 20 at the time with more miles. I'm in Texas.

I think the key is finding someone who's not a jeep person and/or doesn't have any emotional connection. For instance I bought mine from the son of a retired couple. A dealer might even fall into this category.

If you keep checking craigslist and the other sites you'll find a deal. People are ALWAYS buying and selling jeeps so you'll find one.

Happy hunting. Car searching is fun... the buying part kind of sucks but its still exciting.
09-20-2013 01:36 PM
Landon II I got my 05 Lj in feb of 12. It only had 40k on it. I paid 16k with a two year warranty. I got it of a dealer lot. So far I have added a 1-1/4" bl and a bb.
09-20-2013 11:37 AM
Verf
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Originally Posted by phokur View Post
Check dealers who get them in trades
Forgot about that gem that many don't use. I went to the bigger dealerships and gave my name and number to put in their database in case they got a trade in that met my needs. Sure I got a few extra calls, but they were all on Wranglers, just weren't LJ's. And since the years of LJ's are older than what they typically want on their used lot, so instead of them having to auction them, they make a quick sale.
09-20-2013 10:15 AM
phokur Got my 04 LJ for 10k in Walforf, Maryland. It's not bad considering how popular they are around the base here. Check dealers who get them in trades, it's where I got mine. They didn't seem to know about the Unlimited demand markup.
09-20-2013 09:26 AM
mrpotatohead I had just put money down on an 09 JKU with 60k 20 min before I found my LJ Rubi with 33k. I was on my way home, made a wrong turn and there it was gleaming at me. Needless to say I told the dealer with the JKU to suck it. I traded my 03 TJ in on it which was riddled with minor problems, the LJ was "pre-built" and has issues of its own in the suspension, most of which has been worked out but I would have made the trade 1000 times over.

Last night I stuffed 4 35's in the back with the rear seat folded forward. The added rear legroom means my 4yo can only barely kick the seat, and I've had it on a few trails I took my TJ down and it spanks it, though being a Rubicon might have more to do with that...
09-20-2013 09:09 AM
Verf
Quote:
Originally Posted by Digger84 View Post
If you want a manual Ljubljana York are stuck with only 05 and 06 as earlier ones were all auto

That is unfortunate as 06 and 06 are the engines at Risk for snapping of oil pump drive resulting in sudden loss oil pressure and potential for engine damage
There are "fixes" and many claim not an issue but it was a poor enough design that Chrysler did a tab on it

Next you get stuck with the 6 speed reported to be weakest tj manual used behind the straight 6 engine plus it is most expensive tj manual to replace or repair

I suggest go with 03 or 04 Ljubljana auto ( I know they made 04 and I think they made 03 Lj)

Or better yet go with tl rubi 03 or 04 with a 5 speed shorter but better
Not to go off topic or flame, but Digger, I looked over your 18 posts, and a couple of them speak particularly about the 6 speed manual being the 'weakest' or worst ever used. And then someone points out that its not true. Then a few days later, someone elses asks a tranny question or a LJ question and again, you say the 6 speed is the 'worst', etc, but never explain it or back it up. You keep spewing the same stuff without backing it up. Same with the OPDA thing. Like NJO said, look around, get GOOD info, before you start spreading what you think is correct, instead of just repeating the same dribble. Now, maybe we ARE wrong (doubtful), but it could happen. Show some numbers, some reports, some PROOF that these trannys that we are running suck so bad, start with who 'reported' them to be the 'weakest'?

And now, back to your regular scheduled thread...

I purchased a sports car off Ebay, and drove to pick it up. Was a learning experience, but would def do it again. Like I say, bought my LJ Rubi in May from WF For Sale section from a member in May for $18k and would do it again and flew down and drove her home. Its all about patience, knowing what you want and willing to pay for the right Jeep, in the right condition, at the right time. NADA had mine listed as high as $22k, KBB around $20k, the guy wanted a pickup cause he did construction on the side and there wasn't anywhere to off road where he lived. Panned out for me. If you don't have a loan, get pre-approved so when the right one DOES come along, you don't get crushed to find out you don't qualify for it or it'll take a few days and this guy will only hold it til tomorrow, etc.
09-20-2013 08:32 AM
NJO
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Originally Posted by Digger84 View Post
There are "fixes" and many claim not an issue but it was a poor enough design that Chrysler did a tab on it

Next you get stuck with the 6 speed reported to be weakest tj manual used behind the straight 6 engine plus it is most expensive tj manual to replace or repair

I suggest go with 03 or 04 Ljubljana auto ( I know they made 04 and I think they made 03 Lj)

Or better yet go with tl rubi 03 or 04 with a 5 speed shorter but better
A. Chrysler put a service bulletin out on it, but not a recall. The reason being was because some out of spec OPDA's(that would not necessarily fail)were in assembly from the mfg. Again, there are THOUSANDS of 05-06' Wranglers that never had nor presently have this issue. For anyone who is really worried about it, all you have to do is purchase a new one for a hundred or so bucks from rockauto.com , take 10-15 minutes to do the swap and not worry about anything period. Most people though don't worry about it. The internet and one specific thread on JF magnifies the issue 1000 fold.

B. The NSG370 is far from the "weakest" manual. But it is the best, with the best gearing (low 4.46:1 granny 1st, and a USEABLE overdrive) gear and its actually the most common one too. For every legit issue you can find on an NSG370(which is probably only 1 which 9 out of 10 times is solved just by checking to make sure the transmission fluid is topped of CORRECTLY, and replacing with a better suited fluid vs. what comes in it stock), you can find a handful of known issues on the AX and NV transmissions.

C. They did not make any LJ's in 03'. THe made auto's only for the half year in 04' they were introduced.

D. Its obvious you have 0 experience on the last few years of the TJ/LJ. I'd say before you post on it, get some time on one first.

To the OP: There are basically 3 trim levels. Standard LJ(4 wheel disc brakes, Dana 44 rear, AC, Cruise, fog lights etc standard), Rubicon(adds 241 TC case, F/R lockers, Front D44/D30 hybrid axle, side rocker panel guards, 16" MOAB wheels), and the LJ Rubi/Sahara(Adds different trim seating, unique stickers and badging).

That's it.
09-20-2013 07:29 AM
quadman14 travel it may be worth the effort. I got lucky on mine. 62k dual top option Soft top never put on still wrapped up in factory packaging, super clean never off road for 12K. Paint checked but oh well not worried about scratching it then. I was ready to go east then this popped up. Good luck in your search!
09-20-2013 01:26 AM
my996duc1 auto trader online is what I searched to find mine. I found it easy to search for the options I wanted.
A quick search right now showed me 3 white LJ's with auto trans within a couple hundred miles of LA....

I got lucky and only took a few weeks to find mine.

_
09-20-2013 12:05 AM
k2enemy I got an 06 LJ for 6k a few weeks back with 58k on the clock
I bought it off my mom though...
09-19-2013 10:09 PM
AFS-LEE 06 yellow rubi lj hard soft top auto ac arb front bumper with super winch low 35,000 miles super clean paid $20,000
09-19-2013 08:48 PM
thubub Picked up a '06 auto LJ. Bone stock never been off-road, with 64k for 15k.
09-19-2013 08:48 PM
Verf Found my '06 LJ Rubi on here in the For Sale section. $18k, 6 speed, soft & hard top, clean under carriage, never off road, 75k, aftermarket speakers still in boxes, 3" Zone lift still in boxes. Flew down, drove her home 10 hours. Love her.
I knew exactly what I wanted and how high I would pay for what I wanted. I'd found a similar one in CA that was in the running, but this one had both tops, and shorter drive home. I searched for about 4 months for this one. For another car, I waited almost 5 years before I found the right one, lol. A bit long, but I keep my vehicles forever, so I make sure we are made for the long haul!
Craigslist, eBay, jeep forum, here, classifieds, just keep looking and good luck! I love mine!
09-19-2013 07:39 PM
BadSweet Picked up my stock LJ in June. 62k miles automatic (I prefer an auto in a jeep) for roughly 15k.
09-19-2013 07:27 PM
ford-willy When my 04 LJ was totaled last December I started my search in Ca. for a replacement 04-05-06 LJ. We would not have anything but an LJ again.

Especially in Ca. they are very pricy. It took me 6 months "being patient" to find a real keeper at a reasonable price. I finally found an 05, totally stock Black Tie Edition with only 25k miles. Interior like new. Asking price was 16,500 but he took 15,500. Most LJ's I looked at were heavily moded and ran between 19,000 to 23,000. ---- We love it and will keep it forever and keep this one stock.

Be patient.
09-19-2013 07:19 PM
UnlimitedRubicon
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Originally Posted by dbsanders View Post
The kind of off-roading I do (easy trails, moderate speed) this would not be ideal.
On easy trails and moderate speed you don't need 4 low anyway so that's not really a valid point.

Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkGLHS View Post
I don't get it.
You don't. OP has a leaf sprung YJ.


Quote:
Originally Posted by blackwidow05 View Post
If you don't have a good tranny guy a NSG370 will cost you 5,000 because it has to come from Germany.
That's quite a whopper. What's next? OPDA OMG!!!!!

LOL
09-19-2013 07:10 PM
Digger84 If you want a manual Ljubljana York are stuck with only 05 and 06 as earlier ones were all auto

That is unfortunate as 06 and 06 are the engines at Risk for snapping of oil pump drive resulting in sudden loss oil pressure and potential for engine damage
There are "fixes" and many claim not an issue but it was a poor enough design that Chrysler did a tab on it

Next you get stuck with the 6 speed reported to be weakest tj manual used behind the straight 6 engine plus it is most expensive tj manual to replace or repair

I suggest go with 03 or 04 Ljubljana auto ( I know they made 04 and I think they made 03 Lj)

Or better yet go with tl rubi 03 or 04 with a 5 speed shorter but better
09-19-2013 07:01 PM
Madden If you don't mind driving to Ohio there seems to be a ton of LJ's for sale out here, just looking on auto trader brings up 10.

Where were these when I was looking a year ago....haha
09-19-2013 06:48 PM
Legend2 6dpd lj rubi here no issues with tranny and it rides Better thank friends jk. With 110k on the clock
09-19-2013 05:39 PM
UpTheCreek I paid $16.5 for mine one year ago w/70k miles and VERY clean. Be patient and keep looking! I have an auto, but I haven't heard the complaints on the 6-speed that blackwidow was advising about. Know a lot of guys with a 6-speed, they're not having issues.
09-19-2013 03:34 PM
blackwidow05 I think some of it is because the wheelbase and that its heavier which makes for a more stable ride/handling. It still feels like a TJ but, it rides a little better.
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