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11-09-2009 08:04 AM
mrcarcrazy
UPDATE: Kobalt made in USA, Lifetime warranty...

So, I was @ Lowes looking at light fixtures, and I remembered I wanted to revisit the tool section.

Apparently Kobalt torque wrenches are made in the USA, and have a lifetime warranty....so does CDI (aka snap-on) still make them? They haven't changed appearance since last time I looked at them...

I found this both interesting and noteworthy. If they are infact made by CDI Its a heck of a deal.
11-04-2009 05:57 PM
Scout
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Originally Posted by adkjoe View Post
anything that may arise, mainly lug nuts, diff covers, etc... I need to do pinion seals at some point in the near future as well, I think those torque up to 180 though but I can't remember. I forgot about that maybe I should go higher. just curious what takes more than 100 ft/lb on a Jeep anyway?
I torque my lug nuts to 105 ft lbs. You need to find one with a higher rating. An ideal torque wrench would have a range of 10 - 200 ft lbs.
11-04-2009 05:00 PM
4point
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Originally Posted by stevens243 View Post
175ft/lbs huh? Wow.

^his wife told him that when she came out and got that bolt tight enough
Shaddup Wilbur!.....
11-04-2009 04:55 PM
stevens243 175ft/lbs huh? Wow.

^his wife told him that when she came out and got that bolt tight enough
11-04-2009 04:20 PM
4point Yeah, a bigger one would be nice. The highest torque value for general maint so far on the jeep was 175ft/lbs.
11-04-2009 04:14 PM
adkjoe anything that may arise, mainly lug nuts, diff covers, etc... I need to do pinion seals at some point in the near future as well, I think those torque up to 180 though but I can't remember. I forgot about that maybe I should go higher. just curious what takes more than 100 ft/lb on a Jeep anyway?
11-04-2009 04:07 PM
Scout
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Originally Posted by adkjoe View Post
I know this threads getting old but I found one on sale for $53 today. It goes up to 100 ft/lb. Is that high enough ya think?
What are you using it for?
11-04-2009 03:53 PM
adkjoe I know this threads getting old but I found one on sale for $53 today. It goes up to 100 ft/lb. Is that high enough ya think?
11-03-2009 04:50 PM
adkjoe he does that to people, shit now I want a hug
11-03-2009 02:12 PM
05GT-O.C.D.
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Originally Posted by mudslinger150 View Post
yeah ive broke a few snap on tools, mac tools, craftsman etc. they all break but some have better backing and are more enjoyable to use.

i didn't mean to be so bold, i just want to hugg

I'm suddenly feeling warm and fuzzy inside.
11-03-2009 02:09 PM
mudslinger150 yeah ive broke a few snap on tools, mac tools, craftsman etc. they all break but some have better backing and are more enjoyable to use.

i didn't mean to be so bold, i just want to hugg
11-03-2009 01:34 PM
mrcarcrazy
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Originally Posted by 05GT-O.C.D. View Post
@ mrcarcrazy - i know you weren't trying to be a badass, that statement just made me laugh b/c I've broken my fair share too.
oh ok. cool. Just hate it when others come on the interwebs extra arrogant, so wanted to make sure it was known that was not my intention.



I've been out of the game too long to be arrogant. haha
11-03-2009 01:17 PM
05GT-O.C.D. @ mrcarcrazy - i know you weren't trying to be a badass, that statement just made me laugh b/c I've broken my fair share too.
11-03-2009 01:14 PM
adkjoe I will call Josh, thx Mud.
11-03-2009 01:05 PM
mrcarcrazy
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Originally Posted by 05GT-O.C.D. View Post
LOL, you da man!
Not trying to sound like a "badass". I'm just stating fact. Back in my shop days I broke snap-ons, craftsman, mac, cheapo-junk, etc. expensive do last longer than extra cheap crap. but mid level (what I call kobalt and craftsman) and high end (what I call snap on) are close enough that the extra $$ isn't worth it (esp when dealing with basic hand tools). This is purely based on what I've seen while under vehicles. I do believe in a good torque wrench. I wish Kobalt was still made by CDI. if it was I'd own one. but since it isn't (so we believe) I'll continue to not own one...until I can prove otherwise.

I've never broken a Kobalt (primarily because I've only used a couple wrenches from them.)

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Originally Posted by mudslinger150 View Post

all in all, if someone needs a tool and doesn't plan on using it much, or wont leave it out in the rain over night, or wont get coolant on it, or wont drive over it, or wont break the tools internals, or doesn't count on the tool to get rebuilt, or doesn't need a real snugg/sure fit to prevent stripping and rounding im sure kobalt is a fine tool.
pretty bold statement. I'll leave it alone. but that's pretty bold

Used snap on Torque wrench for 80.00. I'd buy it for that, for the reasons stated by Mudslinger.
11-03-2009 12:51 PM
mudslinger150 ide call josh, he may have a used 3/8" thats $80, the same cost as a craftsman one. he has a lot of used tools, with lifetime warrantys no matter what, even 25 years from now when and if it breaks.

all in all, if someone needs a tool and doesn't plan on using it much, or wont leave it out in the rain over night, or wont get coolant on it, or wont drive over it, or wont break the tools internals, or doesn't count on the tool to get rebuilt, or doesn't need a real snugg/sure fit to prevent stripping and rounding im sure kobalt is a fine tool.
11-03-2009 12:28 PM
adkjoe I hear ya, I have tools from every kind of manufacturer and I ahve broken, dinged and screwed them all up one way or another, F' it I'm just gonna go get another craftsman and stop wasting my time...thx for the input everyone, I knew I was going to get 20 diff opinions
11-03-2009 12:14 PM
05GT-O.C.D.
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Originally Posted by mrcarcrazy View Post

I don't put a lot of faith in "well you see its a lot stronger b/c its forged differently"...since I've been able to break them all.
LOL, you da man!
11-03-2009 12:06 PM
mrcarcrazy
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Originally Posted by adkjoe View Post
didn't read all the way to the bottom but thanks scout, sounds like mudslinger was right about the forging and such.
Not a big deal considering price difference.


I've broken a tool from every manufacturer back when I was wrenching for a living. (this was back when Kobalt was apparently being made by Snap-on)

I don't put a lot of faith in "well you see its a lot stronger b/c its forged differently"...since I've been able to break them all.
11-03-2009 11:54 AM
adkjoe didn't read all the way to the bottom but thanks scout, sounds like mudslinger was right about the forging and such.
11-03-2009 11:46 AM
mrcarcrazy
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Originally Posted by 05GT-O.C.D. View Post
That info is all from 2000, and I think that it is no longer accurate as of 2003.

Either way - Kobalt still makes some good tools that I've been happy with.
That's where I'm curious. ALl the info is old now. (damn should have bought one of the Kobalt sets back then.) So the real question is who makes what NOW?

I found somewhere just now that said Lowes and Snap on no longer have a relationship since lowes wanted to sell "SNAP-ON" branded tools, snap-on said "no" and then it declined from there. (it was a mustang site, if you want to search you can. I feel lazy now....too busy to search it up again.)
11-03-2009 11:38 AM
05GT-O.C.D. That info is all from 2000, and I think that it is no longer accurate as of 2003.

Either way - Kobalt still makes some good tools that I've been happy with.
11-03-2009 11:36 AM
Scout
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Originally Posted by adkjoe View Post
From the website Scout found

"Lowes now is selling a line of Mechanics Tools called Kobalt which is made by Snap-On. SThey are good tools."
Also at the bottom of that link:

Quote:
Addendum
I received the following info from Dan Peronto a Tool Designer for Snap-on Tools at the Kenosha Mfg Plant:
From: "Peronto, Daniel J."
To: "John T. Blair"
Subject: Hand tools
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 13:44:50 -0500
I just wanted to add my 2 cents. Well a nickel really, considering that I work for Snap-on and we over charge for everything :>)
I was reading on your site about 'who makes what tools' Team.Net One part explains that the various manufactures use 'the exact same forgings' for all the various brands they sell. This is NOT true for Snap-on tools. Our retail brand Kobalt sold through Lowe's stores, shares very little if any traits with our traditional Snap-on line. They are made in the same plants, but most of the manufacturing tooling is different. They are made by the same UNION skilled machinists using the same tried and true processes. The designs for these tools are completely different. They use different material and are heat treated differently.

I hope this clears things up slightly
Dan Peronto
Tool Designer
Snap-on Tools
Kenosha Mfg Plant
11-03-2009 11:34 AM
adkjoe
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scout View Post
I dug this up via Google:

Tool Facts
From the website Scout found

"Lowes now is selling a line of Mechanics Tools called Kobalt which is made by Snap-On. They are good tools."
11-03-2009 11:32 AM
Scout I dug this up via Google:

Tool Facts
11-03-2009 11:19 AM
mrcarcrazy KOBALT is manufactured by J.H. Williams, a division of Snap-On Incorporated. At least this was the case in 2002...dunno bout now.

At one point in time its been said all over the place that CDI actually made the torque wrenches for Snap-on...CDI made torque wrenches for some other brands as well...Kobalt was listed as one of them.
11-03-2009 11:14 AM
yjwes
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Originally Posted by mrcarcrazy View Post
Lowes brand.

Its the same manufacturer as Snap on. and its much cheaper. I hear nothing but greatness about it.

Craftsman torque wrenches are very good based on write ups I've seen in the past. Actually the last write-up I read actually favored a HF torque wrench to the Craftsman.

I think its Kobalt (the lowes brand I speak of)
snap on makes there own torque wrenches
11-03-2009 10:45 AM
mudslinger150 i can give you my old reps # and you can see what he can do for you, hes a good guy and i think he has all over essex and colchester, he should be able to stop into your work with his truck so you can pick up some things.

worth a try, ill PM you his info.
11-03-2009 09:44 AM
adkjoe Mitch where do you suggest getting snap on tools in our area than? I have a few snap on things and they have never let me down so why not.
11-03-2009 09:01 AM
mudslinger150 kobalt cant really say they are made by "snap on". nor is the quality even close to being the same. a very different metal is used and the process is much different with making these tools.

Of all the kobalt tools at LOWE'S only 7 types of tools are made entirely in the USAThe rest are either made with parts from other country's or made in china.
The air compressors are made in the USA with the motors coming from Mexico.
Two screwdriver sets are made entirely in the us
The 3rd set labeled "professional" is made in china.
all their power tools are made in china (except the air compressor)
all the mechanic associated tools like jack stands, ATV lifts, bottle jacks and the 3 ton jack combo.
rolling tool chests are made in USA. as are the mechanics tools like the socket sets and wrenches.
the "locking pliers and all other kinds of pliers are made in china.

You get what you pay for in the world of tools!
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