|11-15-2009 12:23 AM|
DW can occur at most any speed, it's not limited to 50 MPH. Sometimes you can accelerate through it - if you dare.
Since the alignment shop initially missed the worn drag link end, I wouldn't put much faith in their conclusions about the rest of it being tight.
Get under it, (wheels still on the ground) have a friend inside to work the steering wheel. Have the friend quickly rock the steering wheel back and forth to the extent of the freeplay.
Use your fingers - they are more sensitive than your eyesight for this - put your fingers on all the joints - drag link ends, tie rod ends, control arm bushings etc. You are looking for looseness, you'll feel it before you see it. Replace what's loose.
And - remove the bolt through the trackbar at the axle end. Pull the trackbar end down out of the way. Put the bolt back through the holes in the axle bracket - it has to fit snugly in the holes. You should not be able to wiggle the bolt side to side in the hole.
Check the bolt itself for wear - it's a special bolt with a longer than normal smooth shank - dealers have them for about $4.00. Parts houses don't have the right ones.
If there's any play between the bolt and the holes it will allow the axle to work back and forth - no matter how tight you tighten that bolt.
If it's loose - if the hole is warbled out, let us know and we'll show how to fix it.
And - look very closely at the steering box mount. It has a "pod" shaped thing that it mounts to - seems on lots of TJ's those welds aren't good. Look for a rust colored line - signs of a crack - the edges of the crack rub against each other scraping off fine particles of steel. Those particles rust, making it easy to spot the crack by the orange line.
It's easy to gusset that pod before it breaks off completely
Tip: Any place you suspect a crack - spray a thin coating of flat black on the area. Then drive it, then look for that line to develop === called a "poor man's magnaflux."
|11-14-2009 05:37 PM|
|11-14-2009 04:53 PM|
|350chevrolet||put up a pic of the front suspension so we can see if anything is obviously messed up. sometimes a second, or in this case a 3rd, 4th, ..., set of eyes helps.|
|11-14-2009 04:51 PM|
|rico334||Death Wobble and Bump Steer are not the same ? What distinguishes the two ?|
|11-14-2009 03:01 PM|
|Gary2||Anything with play will cause it even a worn steering box , have you checked the sector shaft for play .I built a steering box brace with a bearing to support the end of the sector shaft to prolong the life of steering boxes . I learned that trick from many years of chasing DW on a few Dodge Ram 4x4 front ends . All I ever had on my mind was stopping and doing so as quick as I safely could but then again I never had it in my Jeep but very often in a Dodge truck ( similar type of front end ) it usually started when I hit a bump at about 70 mph which was why stopping was all that I thought of doing , never tried to accelerate to a higher speed to tell you the truth. I never thought of it at the time .|
|11-14-2009 12:28 PM|
|11-10-2009 07:11 PM|
|neo||i went to alignement shop today my drag link end is shot the end that connects to the center link.rustys is sending me a new one.neo|
|11-09-2009 11:38 PM|
Ooops caught me sleeping Jerry. Have YJ on the brain.
When you replaced your tires did it start after that? They maybe out of balance. Like Jerry said your alignment maybe an issue also. Tire places usually have a hard time balancing tires that big due to their balancing machines are usually not set up for them.
|11-09-2009 10:22 AM|
|11-09-2009 02:19 AM|
|Rawkon||On top of what Jerry said have you checked the ujoint in your axle shafts???|
|11-09-2009 01:35 AM|
I can tell you one more thing after seeing how you got to 4.5" of suspension lift, that the dropped Pitman arm needs to go and the OE Pitman arm needs to be reinstalled. In addition to DW, that dropped Pitman arm is also causing your TJ to have bump steer.
I'm guessing you aren't going to take that alignment recommendation seriously so maybe this suggestion won't have been worth the time to post either.
|11-09-2009 01:03 AM|
3 in body lift
2.5 coil springs
2 in budget boost
front and rear sway bar disconnext
the problem started 6 months ago
everything i replaced was wore out.
death wobble still thereneo
|11-09-2009 12:52 AM|
|Rawkon||can you give us details on the 7.5" of lift?|
|11-09-2009 12:42 AM|
|11-08-2009 09:15 PM|
|tlrrob1000||My two cents... are your spring pin bushings wiped out?|
|11-08-2009 06:35 PM|
|11-08-2009 06:31 PM|
|Jerry Bransford||Wait, it ONLY occurs at 40 mph and you can accelerate through it to make it stop? If that's the case, you don't have DW. True DW is SO violent that you cannot simply accelerate through it. It sounds like nothing more than a shimmy which is generally always tire or wheel related.|
|11-08-2009 06:28 PM|
i am beginning to hate my jeep,everything i replaced was truly worn out
the death wobble occurs at exactly 40 miles per hour,if i accelerate rate on thru its is ok,it only occurs at 40 miles per hourneo
|11-08-2009 06:27 PM|
He assures you it is correct but not all alignment shops, even the good ones, know that the caster angle needs to be decreased as the tire size increases. Many go to great lengths to restore the caster angle exactly to the factory caster angle which is not correct for larger tire sizes.
Exactly what is your current caster angle?
|11-08-2009 06:24 PM|
he does alignment on modified vehicals no one else will touch.neo
|11-08-2009 05:34 PM|
|1BLKJP||Typically DW in tj's has to do with the trac bar. Had you drilled out the axle bracket to move it over before? Have you checked to see if the bracket hole is wallowed out at all so that it loosen up the bolt?|
|11-08-2009 05:31 PM|
What are your caster and toe-in angles? With 35" tires, the caster angle should be roughly 4.5 to 5 degrees and the toe-in angle should be .15 which can be set manually by rotating the tie rod so the front of your tires are 3/16" closer together than the rears are.
Here's a good way to do that, measuring at points equal to your 35" tire's dimension. With a little care to insure you get 3/16", your toe-in setting will be as precise and correct as the best alignment machine results.
Too much caster angle can encourage DW, as can improper toe-in. Good luck.
Edit: The below suggestion to check the passenger side's trackbar mounting bolt hole to make sure it is not enlarged/wallowed out is right on. If that hole is enlarged, it will allow the trackbar to move which is one of the most common contributors to or causes of DW.
|11-08-2009 05:24 PM|
Have you checked all the bolts on the front end.. CA's, Trackbars, etc...
Physically put a wrench on them & check.
I had an issue last week and my lower control arm bolts were loose.
|11-08-2009 04:46 PM|
|11-07-2009 05:22 PM|
death wobble unsolved
i have had my 1999 tj sport for 7 years now,a few months back it developed the death wobble.it has a 4.5 in susp.lift 3 in body lift .installed the lift kits in
2006 so the lift is not the problem.death wobble in tj's is common
i know people that run stock 30X950 ats and never go off road this has death wobble.
i repaired the problems i found below
1.lower ball joints were totally worn out.i replaced all 4 ball joints.
2.i had a lot of play in track bar bracket,i got rid of track bar bracket and installed a new adjustable track bar.
3.i replaced my wore out 35 x 12:50 mud kings with 35x12:50 AT"s
4.I intalled a rustys steering conversion with all new moog tie rod ends
5.i replaced my wore out rotors and pads and calipers
6.my front end alignment and tires are placed
7.i replaced my wore out steering stabilizer
i fixed a lot of wore out stuff,still have death wobble,what gives
i have never ran into a problem i cant fix.neo