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Today 09:44 AM
kjeeper10 Yes .. I see a lot of people doing it twice. I mean installing 19/60's then something else later,
Today 08:52 AM
AGS
Quote:
Originally Posted by kjeeper10 View Post
Yea .. You're right. I'm seeing a little more then 2" on 2 doors (Rancho 2" kit)
May want to check with somebody that's been running it for a while. See if there's any settling.
That would be what I would recommend for you,
The 9000's would certainly help with brake dive, overall handling,
Maybe instead of buying a leveling kit ... Piece together something, 1" all around if you want to keep the rake but stay Low.
Actually .... Google Daystar. I believe they make a 1.75 kit .. The front spacers are a bit taller but not 1" like most leveling spacers,

I give you mad credit for reading this whole thread lol
Thanks for the feedback. One follow-up question for you - any thoughts on the spring swap? Might 17/59 get me pretty close to my target or is it just too much of a crap shoot? I assume most of the variability in results with the spring swaps people report are due to differences in added equipment and not because the actual springs are delivering inconsistent results. I'm optimistic that WhiteWillysJK's results are close to what I'd get given it's the same Jeep without any add-ons.

As a side note, I can get 16/58 springs pretty cheap but it may not be a big enough increase in the compression rate to deliver a meaningful improvement. Agree?
Today 08:46 AM
kjeeper10 Yea .. You're right. I'm seeing a little more then 2" on 2 doors (Rancho 2" kit)
May want to check with somebody that's been running it for a while. See if there's any settling.
That would be what I would recommend for you,
The 9000's would certainly help with brake dive, overall handling,
Maybe instead of buying a leveling kit ... Piece together something, 1" all around if you want to keep the rake but stay Low.
Actually .... Google Daystar. I believe they make a 1.75 kit .. The front spacers are a bit taller but not 1" like most leveling spacers,

I give you mad credit for reading this whole thread lol
Today 07:40 AM
AGS Phew! It took a few sessions over a couple days but I made it through all 2,100 posts across 70 pages. Theres a wealth of knowledge in here which really helped me think about my situation. Plus, I knew my post was going to be on the long and detailed so I felt I owed it to the regular contributors to this thread to read all the advice that had previously taken the time to write. Anyway, here we go:

What I have: 2014 JK Willys Wheeler. Ive done a few minor mods, but the only one that impacts this discussion is the TeraFlex 1.25 wheel spacers I added to push the wheels/tires out a bit to better fill the fender flairs. I have no plans to replace the stock bumpers, so no added weight front or rear. The stock springs are 13/56.

How I use it: The Wrangler is the weekend fun car for my family. I have two young boys and they love driving around with the top and doors off. The Jeep will likely spend 95%+ of its time on-road, but may see some occasional light off-roading. Unfortunately, the closest state park with trails is almost an hour and a half drive so frequent off-roading is just not in the cards right now. It will also come in handy on snow days as a substitute for my daily driver.

What I'd like: Id like to add a little bit of lift, ideally something in the range of 1 to 1.5, primarily for the look but also to accommodate slightly larger tires. From reading this thread, I know the stock setup can handle up to 33 tires, but for aesthetic reasons Id like to maintain the gap between the tire and the fender flair (I dont like the squashed look of the wheels completely filling the fender flairs). As far as tire size Im thinking something in the 33 to 34 range, but not bigger so I can avoid performance issues given the 3.73 gearing. I took a bunch of different measurements yesterday and found my Jeep has about 0.5 of rake, which is not really noticeable to the eye. It seems most kits (whether leveling, lift, etc.) incorporate 1 more lift in the front to eliminate rake and account for additional bumper/winch weight, so Im nervous about doing any sort of lift that will result in a nose high stance on my Jeep given the lack of added weight. Separate from the lift Id also like to reduce/eliminate the squat and dive the stock setup experiences on hard acceleration and braking.

Id appreciate any suggestions/advice from the experts on this thread. Here are the potential solutions Ive come up with:

Coil Spacers Probably the simplest way to go because it they deliver precise results. In a perfect world Id add 1.25 in the rear and 1.5 up front, but nobody offers spacers in those sizes - the only choices are 1 or 1.75 (I know, Im being really anal over fractions of an inch!). Also, I lose about 0.5 to 0.75 of height when naked vs. fully loaded with hard top and doors, and the spacer solution does not remedy this at all.

OEM spring swap Swapping to slightly stiffer springs will help reduce the height loss when fully loaded and give me a little lift. The issue is the results are unpredictable. Ive seen a few posts from members who went to 19/60 and picked up 2 or more of lift, which is more than Im looking for. However, in post 2,045 WhiteWillysJK (same Jeep as me) went from 14/56 to 19/60 and got 1.75 front and 1.25 rear. This gives me hope that going from my 13/56 to either 18/60 or 17/59 will get me very close to my target.

For either of these first two solutions Ill also need to upgrade the shocks to address the squat and dive. I know kjeeper10 loves the Rancho 9000s I assume Ill see a noticeable improvement in ride with this upgrade from the Rubicon shocks that come on the WW?

The Last option is the Rancho 2 Sport lift kit. The benefit of this solution is that it delivers the lift and shock upgrade in one complete package. The potential issue is that with no added weight, I could end up with a lot more than 2 of lift, which was already a little more than I wanted to go.

Thanks for reading, and thanks in advance for your thoughts and guidance!
08-21-2014 06:32 PM
kjeeper10 JadMT

Yea, that's what I was getting at. The AEV 2.5" lift instructs you to unclamp the brake/abs lines from the coil perch. I wasn't aware 2012+ had longer lines.
08-21-2014 03:03 PM
jadmt
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Originally Posted by monte417 View Post
For 2" of lift in the rear save yourself time, money and a headache and just get an extension bracket. I've had the brackets that came with my 2.5 teraflex lift for almost 4 years with no trouble at all
x2 I did not see this before I posted my last post.
08-21-2014 03:02 PM
jadmt
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fr8dawg View Post
Lets talk brake lines here....

First, trying to sort through WHICH length of brake lines I need for my 2.5" lift (2" rear). I dont want some generic extended brake line kit which most vendors have for sale. I dont want all the additional slack that a kit which is for "0-6" of lift.


Couple questions:
What are the stock brakeline lengths?

Should i get lines that are extended the same amount if lift i have? (Example: 2.5 inch lift, do i need lines that are 2.5" longer than stock?

Why are these:

Crown Performance 5 Layer Custom Brake Lines | Jeep Parts and Accessories | Quadratec

More expensive than these:

Crown Performance 5 Layer Custom Extended Brake Lines | Jeep Parts and Accessories | Quadratec
I think you have a new rubicon if I remember correctly. Your stock brake line is plenty long you just need to get a terra flex brake line relocation bracket and bend the metal part of the line a bit. make sure you do something with the parking brake line and the abs sensors. on the sensors just pull the fir tree clips on the zip ties so they can hang freely. I have had mine max flexed and the brake lines have several inches of slack the parking brake cables however do not.

08-21-2014 02:57 PM
kjeeper10 I run Synergy's in the front.
One size fits all .. 2.5-4" I believe.

Best way is cycle the suspension. Hight/extra shock travel will determine the lengths needed.

Did you disco the lines from your coil perch ?
08-21-2014 01:58 PM
monte417 For 2" of lift in the rear save yourself time, money and a headache and just get an extension bracket. I've had the brackets that came with my 2.5 teraflex lift for almost 4 years with no trouble at all
08-21-2014 01:44 PM
Fr8dawg Lets talk brake lines here....

First, trying to sort through WHICH length of brake lines I need for my 2.5" lift (2" rear). I dont want some generic extended brake line kit which most vendors have for sale. I dont want all the additional slack that a kit which is for "0-6" of lift.


Couple questions:
What are the stock brakeline lengths?

Should i get lines that are extended the same amount if lift i have? (Example: 2.5 inch lift, do i need lines that are 2.5" longer than stock?

Why are these:

Crown Performance 5 Layer Custom Brake Lines | Jeep Parts and Accessories | Quadratec

More expensive than these:

Crown Performance 5 Layer Custom Extended Brake Lines | Jeep Parts and Accessories | Quadratec
08-19-2014 07:50 PM
kjeeper10
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jetjocchris View Post
Just back from a 3 day wheeling trip up near Tahoe. Took the JK on a few difficult trails and it performed great. The Metalcloak lift is awesome. I only have the front upper control arms and front and rear trac bars and coils with OME shocks but it did great. Flex was good even with the stock arms.. (New arms to come shortly) I dropped by the Metalcloak shop and had the guys look over my install. Good thing because I had the rear trac bar backwards, it was not hitting anything but was just not right. They were good enough to swap it around in the spot. Customer service is outstanding. Thanks Eric.!! Oh and FYI, if anyone has a knocking sound coming from the B pillar area it may be your door latch. I thought it was something with the lift hence the real reason I stopped by the Metalcloak shop but come to find out it was only the door latch... There are several threads about this but the best fix seems to be electrical tape.
Thanks for the post
Def get those arms. You won't see anymore flex per se. But less bind in the suspension. You'll be able to center the axles in the wells. The jeep should handle better too.
08-19-2014 05:30 PM
Jetjocchris Just back from a 3 day wheeling trip up near Tahoe. Took the JK on a few difficult trails and it performed great. The Metalcloak lift is awesome. I only have the front upper control arms and front and rear trac bars and coils with OME shocks but it did great. Flex was good even with the stock arms.. (New arms to come shortly) I dropped by the Metalcloak shop and had the guys look over my install. Good thing because I had the rear trac bar backwards, it was not hitting anything but was just not right. They were good enough to swap it around in the spot. Customer service is outstanding. Thanks Eric.!!
Oh and FYI, if anyone has a knocking sound coming from the B pillar area it may be your door latch. I thought it was something with the lift hence the real reason I stopped by the Metalcloak shop but come to find out it was only the door latch... There are several threads about this but the best fix seems to be electrical tape.
08-18-2014 06:50 PM
TopDwnWhlsUp
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Originally Posted by kjeeper10 View Post

Ewwww Procomp
Yep lol, the springs are the only thing left from the previous lift.
08-18-2014 06:49 PM
kjeeper10
Quote:
Originally Posted by TopDwnWhlsUp View Post
Cool, thanks kind of what I was leaning towards, just wanted to make sure I didn't skyrocket it in heighth just got the steering dialed in on 2.5 inches of lift haha, but these pro comp springs are sagging like crazy.
Ewwww Procomp
08-18-2014 06:48 PM
TopDwnWhlsUp
Quote:
Originally Posted by kjeeper10 View Post

The 3,5" might be a better option for you for sure.
Cool, thanks kind of what I was leaning towards, just wanted to make sure I didn't skyrocket it in heighth just got the steering dialed in on 2.5 inches of lift haha, but these pro comp springs are sagging like crazy.
08-18-2014 06:44 PM
kjeeper10
Quote:
Originally Posted by TopDwnWhlsUp View Post
Yeah it's a pig. Xrc bumpers, tire carrier, winch, rubi rail ace rocker combo. Like 90 pounds of synergy steering components lol
The 3,5" might be a better option for you for sure.
08-18-2014 06:42 PM
TopDwnWhlsUp
Quote:
Originally Posted by kjeeper10 View Post

Are you heavy (bumpers/winch/etc) ?
Yeah it's a pig. Xrc bumpers, tire carrier, winch, rubi rail ace rocker combo. Like 90 pounds of synergy steering components lol
08-18-2014 06:39 PM
kjeeper10
Quote:
Originally Posted by TopDwnWhlsUp View Post
Thanks Ken. Still undecided about going higher but getting tired of dragging the undercarriage of the heep over everything. Could just learn to drive better I suppose :P
Are you heavy (bumpers/winch/etc) ?
08-18-2014 06:39 PM
Jeep757
Quote:
Originally Posted by kjeeper10 View Post

That's how I understood it. The TERAFLEX track bar did firm up my steering too. Very solid part.
Thanks Ken
08-18-2014 06:38 PM
kjeeper10
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fr8dawg View Post
Im running a rock krawler trackbar with jam nuts to secure the joints. Royal pain in the ass, got em as tight as i physically could, they still came loose. I used a huge crescent wrench cause thats all i had that would fit the jam nut... Going to locktite the s$&t out of it asap... To anyone looking at trackbars, AVOID one with jam nuts! Its not worth it. The teraflex monster trackbar is a brilliant design and ill be buying one shortly!
I agree, I hate jam nuts.

My Ruff stuff uppers were a pain. Such a small joint and trying to keep it square with the front was impossible.
A 24" Crescent wench rounded the nut, so
I measured and ordered a open end wrench that fit the jam but perfectly. Along with the crescent to hold the joint and open end wrench .. I was able to tighten it real tight.

Spray all your joints with Fluid film. Great stuff ... 0 rust and lubes the Heim joints well.
08-18-2014 06:36 PM
TopDwnWhlsUp
Quote:
Originally Posted by kjeeper10 View Post

Your looking at 1"or a little more on a 2 door.
I want to say I'm just shy of 4" front and 3.75 rear with RK 2.5" coils
Thanks Ken. Still undecided about going higher but getting tired of dragging the undercarriage of the heep over everything.
Could just learn to drive better I suppose :P
08-18-2014 06:33 PM
kjeeper10
Quote:
Originally Posted by TopDwnWhlsUp View Post
Ken, how much extra lift did you get out of your 2.5 springs? I know you posted up before but can't find it. Looking at the 3.5 rk or 3.5 metal cloaks trying to get some kind of idea where I'll be sitting.
Your looking at 1"or a little more on a 2 door.
I want to say I'm just shy of 4" front and 3.75 rear with RK 2.5" coils
08-18-2014 06:27 PM
Fr8dawg Im running a rock krawler trackbar with jam nuts to secure the joints. Royal pain in the ass, got em as tight as i physically could, they still came loose.

I used a huge crescent wrench cause thats all i had that would fit the jam nut... Going to locktite the s$&t out of it asap...

To anyone looking at trackbars, AVOID one with jam nuts! Its not worth it. The teraflex monster trackbar is a brilliant design and ill be buying one shortly!
08-18-2014 06:25 PM
TopDwnWhlsUp Ken, how much extra lift did you get out of your 2.5 springs? I know you posted up before but can't find it. Looking at the 3.5 rk or 3.5 metal cloaks trying to get some kind of idea where I'll be sitting.
08-18-2014 06:16 PM
kjeeper10
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeep757 View Post
Is that the Teraflex Trackbar?
That's how I understood it. The TERAFLEX track bar did firm up my steering too. Very solid part.
08-18-2014 01:16 PM
Jeep757
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragmod View Post

I just installed the Teraflex bar and didn't think I would see much of a difference. Boy was I wrong. My steering response is a million times better!
Is that the Teraflex Trackbar?
08-18-2014 09:40 AM
Dragmod
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fr8dawg View Post
Well, im embarassed to say, but the @&$$&@ jam nut came loose on the track bar LOL!! I fought these bastard jam nuts for an hour during the initial install... After getting the axle centered. And here I am 3 weeks later and its loose again. Fml Any advice on getting those things tight? Im about ready to scrap this track bar and buy the teraflex bar with the adjustment sleeve!
I just installed the Teraflex bar and didn't think I would see much of a difference. Boy was I wrong. My steering response is a million times better!
08-18-2014 07:47 AM
kjeeper10 [QUOTE="Fr8dawg;12739682"] Well, im embarassed to say, but the @&$$&@ jam nut came loose on the track bar LOL!! I fought these bastard jam nuts for an hour during the initial install... After getting the axle centered. And here I am 3 weeks later and its loose again. Fml Any advice on getting those things tight? Im about ready to scrap this track bar and buy the teraflex bar with the adjustment sleeve![/QUOTE

Loc-tite and mucho torque, What are you using for a wrench ?
08-18-2014 07:10 AM
Fr8dawg
Quote:
Originally Posted by kjeeper10 View Post
FR8,

Do you have a follow up on your clunk?
Well, im embarassed to say, but the @&$$&@ jam nut came loose on the track bar LOL!!

I fought these bastard jam nuts for an hour during the initial install... After getting the axle centered. And here I am 3 weeks later and its loose again. Fml

Any advice on getting those things tight? Im about ready to scrap this track bar and buy the teraflex bar with the adjustment sleeve!
08-18-2014 05:00 AM
kjeeper10
Quote:
Originally Posted by kjeeper10 View Post
Dude ... Look at your lower ball joint on the passenger side. I think I sAw movement. Very last shot before the end of the vid. Looks shot
FR8,

Do you have a follow up on your clunk?
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