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08-31-2014 03:30 PM
kjeeper10
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Originally Posted by FootSoldier View Post
Yep, 0-2" shock application.
You're golden man.... No issues.
08-31-2014 03:24 PM
FootSoldier
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Originally Posted by kjeeper10 View Post
Wheel spacers keep a longer swaybar link from hitting the wheel in the rear. If I'm not mistaken, the TF perf kit keeps the stock rears in place and supplies new fronts ? If that's the case .... You have 0 worries. You're only adding a small amount of lift to the rear. Maybe 1" iirc so nothing changes.
I'm not sure why shocks would determine wheel spacers ... That makes no sense. Assuming you bought the 26xl and 28xl for 0-2?
Yep, 0-2" shock application.
08-31-2014 03:22 PM
FootSoldier
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Originally Posted by kjeeper10 View Post
nothing wrong with spacers. You are going to want longer rear sway bar links (stock rear to the front) I recommend longer shocks or extensions and bumps top extensions.
Edit: realized you are driving a Tj. Not sure if the stock sway bar links will work on the front like the Jk. Might want to look into that.
My Terraflex kit comes with longer swaybar links for the front. Should I be using longer ones in the rear too. (Terraflex 1.5" leveling lift)
08-31-2014 02:45 PM
kjeeper10 Wheel spacers keep a longer swaybar link from hitting the wheel in the rear. If I'm not mistaken, the TF perf kit keeps the stock rears in place and supplies new fronts ? If that's the case .... You have 0 worries. You're only adding a small amount of lift to the rear. Maybe 1" iirc so nothing changes.
I'm not sure why shocks would determine wheel spacers ... That makes no sense. Assuming you bought the 26xl and 28xl for 0-2?
08-31-2014 02:07 PM
FootSoldier kjeeper10,

I have asked newb questions around the site about my lift plans and am hoping you'll be able to point this grasshopper in the right direction.

We just bought a 2011 Rubicon (all stock, low miles, and our first Jeep) that my wife will drive as her DD (very low miles). She is short and has bad memories of years of climbing into my '76 Chev lifted 4" w/ 33s on it. So I have to be considerate of not doing what I have so many times before, do NOT over-mod her vehicle!

I wanted to level up the stance of the Jeep a bit and stay with stock tires and wheels, trying to keep a nice DD ride and handling. I got a little excited about all the choices and jumped in too soon. (not that I have ever done that before...)

I ordered a 1.5" Terraflex Performance leveling lift kit w/springs, mostly because I just don't like the idea of spacers. I was hoping for maybe a little better off-road performance by going with a longer set of springs, rather than stock springs and spacers?

My original plan was to use the stock Rubi shocks trying to keep close to the stock ride. A member here pointed me at the Rancho RS9000XLs, mainly because of the ability to adjust dampening. Then I found the 4 for cost of 3 deal and ordered a set yesterday.

After taking the plunge I found another site selling the shocks and noting that these shocks on our Jeep would require wheel spacers. That would be a deal breaker for me. Spacers just don't make sense to me.

I am waiting to speak to the people where I bought the shocks to confirm my setup, but I wanted to ask here too.

Am I good-to-go on my reasoning? Or did I jump off into something bad? Are there any other suspension issues I might be causing by going this route? I don't want to cause driveability issues.

Thanks for the help,

Steve
08-31-2014 09:50 AM
kjeeper10
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Originally Posted by jp2611 View Post
Again when it is time to think of modding the Jeep...I find myself back at WF.....it was a great help when I did the TJ...but am starting to have niggling thoughts of doing the '12 JK...and again someone al ready has "all the answers" to the questions I haven't even asked......s'cribed.......
Welcome to the dark(er) side
08-31-2014 09:43 AM
jp2611 Again when it is time to think of modding the Jeep...I find myself back at WF.....it was a great help when I did the TJ...but am starting to have niggling thoughts of doing the '12 JK...and again someone al ready has "all the answers" to the questions I haven't even asked......s'cribed.......
08-29-2014 01:54 PM
kjeeper10
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Originally Posted by Jeff174 View Post
I PM'd the Rancho rep, and he said the shocks would be on the rebate this fall. No dates from him though. He said the lift, and shocks would be on rebate next spring. September is fall to me?

Ok thanks ... Duh "Shocktober" = shocks lol

Yes .. September. Last year it ran from sep/oct i believe. Keep a eye out.
08-29-2014 01:35 PM
Jeff174 I PM'd the Rancho rep, and he said the shocks would be on the rebate this fall. No dates from him though. He said the lift, and shocks would be on rebate next spring. September is fall to me?
08-28-2014 04:44 AM
kjeeper10
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Originally Posted by Senayski View Post
Pm me when this rebate is going on!! ill order them with the rebate instead of with the RK MT kit.
I heard September, not sure when.
08-27-2014 10:48 PM
Senayski
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Originally Posted by kjeeper10 View Post


Wait a couple weeks. The Rancho rebate is back.
Add 9000's

Pm me when this rebate is going on!! ill order them with the rebate instead of with the RK MT kit.
08-27-2014 06:49 PM
kjeeper10
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Originally Posted by huskrjk View Post
Thanks ken, Also looking at the rancho 3 trail kit. Love the price of that one and it seems fairly complete. Minus shocks of course


Wait a couple weeks. The Rancho rebate is back.
Add 9000's
08-27-2014 06:14 PM
huskrjk
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Originally Posted by kjeeper10 View Post
This I will have to look more into.
3" is about that height where you should do things "the right way"
Not discrediting the two kits ... Let me find more info on them.

Ken
Thanks ken,
Also looking at the rancho 3 trail kit. Love the price of that one and it seems fairly complete. Minus shocks of course
08-27-2014 06:10 PM
MnJK
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Originally Posted by Fr8dawg View Post
Ha! I just went through this with a track bar that uses jam nuts and must be removed from the vehicle to be adjusted... While the JKS is a nice piece, it is nowhere near as easy to adjust as the teraflex bar. Just my suggestion, but I would avoid anything that uses jam nuts to secure the joints. Trust me, jam nuts are pain in the ass.

Any reputable suspension manufacturer will make a great track bar, but some are just "easier" to work with as far as install and adjustment. As far as the joints go... Same thing. They can all be serviced and replaced, dont let that be your deciding factor. Also take a look at synergy, it is adjustable while installed and it works with their trackbar frame brace (thats what Ill be getting)
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Originally Posted by kjeeper10 View Post
I try to avoid jam nuts myself. Looks like he already ordered it. He'll be fine .. A lot of folks run JKS. I'll have to look into the bushing upgrade. Edit: hmm looks like it can be run in stock and other track bars as well. Good choice ... News to me. Thank you !!!
Something to keep in mind ... Not all track bars adjust to stock if used with a track bar bracket (steering correction or high steer kit)
Thanks to you both for the advice about damn nuts...I mean jam nuts. I haven't ordered anything yet. Will check out the synergy as well. Appreciate it!
08-27-2014 06:03 PM
kjeeper10
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Originally Posted by Texanrojo View Post
Yeah comparable to the x-factor. Probably the duroflex at least. Maybe the game changer. I just want the best ride with a pretty awesome amount of flex.
This one ?

http://www.metalcloak.com/JK-Wrangle...tem-p/7118.htm

The OME's have a lot of travel. More then most off the shelf mono tubes.
08-27-2014 05:24 PM
Texanrojo
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Originally Posted by kjeeper10 View Post
Two if the better company's to deal with. Both offer complete kits. That's a hard one ... Personal preference.

Edit: which MC Kit are you looking into .. Comparable to RK's X factor ?
Yeah comparable to the x-factor. Probably the duroflex at least. Maybe the game changer. I just want the best ride with a pretty awesome amount of flex.
08-27-2014 03:19 PM
kjeeper10
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Originally Posted by huskrjk View Post
Ok I'll play. I have read through this entire thread and know enough that I want to do it right but am really no closer to picking a lift. I'm driving a 14 Sahara unlimited manual with 3.23 gearing. Wanna stay reasonable as this is my dd. 2.5-3" don't wanna do a bb as I would like to actually do some off-roading with the jeep. Not stuck on tire size but I don't plan on going any bigger than 35s. Teraflex, RK both have kits ranging from fairly cheap to way more than I wanna spend but if all included is gonna be needed I will spend the $! What about package deals like this: Daystar 3" Lift Kit with Shocks + Baja Xtreme™ Quadratec Wheels + Mickey Thompson 35" ATZ Tires | Jeep Parts and Accessories | Quadratec Or this? Skyjacker 3" Sport Lift Kit with Hydro Shocks + Superchips Flashpaq | Jeep Parts and Accessories | Quadratec I basically need someone to hold my hand and help me pick a kit at a reasonable price but complete. Also should I plan on including a gear change if I do go to 35" tire? Ok kjeeper10 et al.!!!! Oh and thanks in advance Go!!!!
This I will have to look more into.
3" is about that height where you should do things "the right way"
Not discrediting the two kits ... Let me find more info on them.

Ken
08-27-2014 03:15 PM
kjeeper10
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Originally Posted by Texanrojo View Post
What does everyone think of rockkrawler vs metalcloak. I'd like 35"s I'll change to 4.10's and will DD Most of the time but when I wheel I wheel pretty hard some trips to Colorado, moab etc. I'm thinking either RK x-factor vs the metalcloak duroflex (at least). I see that metalcloak doesn't come with discos which I would like. And I know I'm opening up a can but I need to learn more about suspension on a whole because the frankenlifts just scare the shit outta me. Would these lift kits suffice on their own, would y'all recommend subbing certain things for others. I've heard a lot about track bars and the like but feel as if I'm getting over my head. Any links to suspension guides would be appreciated as well if it's easier. Thanks everyone!
Two if the better company's to deal with. Both offer complete kits. That's a hard one ... Personal preference.

Edit: which MC Kit are you looking into .. Comparable to RK's X factor ?
08-27-2014 01:04 PM
huskrjk
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Originally Posted by Texanrojo View Post
Just saw this and as I am not near the suspension expert as most of you guys I can deff. Say you will want to regear from 3.23 to at least 4.10 if your running 35" tires, especially since you said you will be wheeling a bit.

4Lo.com :: Tire Size Change, New Gear Ratio Calculator
Thanks. Had pretty much come to that conclusion at least.
Now to pick a lift.
08-27-2014 12:46 PM
Texanrojo What does everyone think of rockkrawler vs metalcloak. I'd like 35"s I'll change to 4.10's and will DD Most of the time but when I wheel I wheel pretty hard some trips to Colorado, moab etc. I'm thinking either RK x-factor vs the metalcloak duroflex (at least). I see that metalcloak doesn't come with discos which I would like.

And I know I'm opening up a can but I need to learn more about suspension on a whole because the frankenlifts just scare the shit outta me. Would these lift kits suffice on their own, would y'all recommend subbing certain things for others. I've heard a lot about track bars and the like but feel as if I'm getting over my head. Any links to suspension guides would be appreciated as well if it's easier. Thanks everyone!
08-27-2014 12:38 PM
Texanrojo
Quote:
Originally Posted by huskrjk View Post
Ok I'll play. I have read through this entire thread and know enough that I want to do it right but am really no closer to picking a lift.
I'm driving a 14 Sahara unlimited manual with 3.23 gearing.
Wanna stay reasonable as this is my dd. 2.5-3" don't wanna do a bb as I would like to actually do some off-roading with the jeep. Not stuck on tire size but I don't plan on going any bigger than 35s.
Teraflex, RK both have kits ranging from fairly cheap to way more than I wanna spend but if all included is gonna be needed I will spend the $!
What about package deals like this:
Daystar 3" Lift Kit with Shocks + Baja Xtreme™ Quadratec Wheels + Mickey Thompson 35" ATZ Tires | Jeep Parts and Accessories | Quadratec
Or this?
Skyjacker 3" Sport Lift Kit with Hydro Shocks + Superchips Flashpaq | Jeep Parts and Accessories | Quadratec
I basically need someone to hold my hand and help me pick a kit at a reasonable price but complete.
Also should I plan on including a gear change if I do go to 35" tire?
Ok kjeeper10 et al.!!!!
Oh and thanks in advance
Go!!!!


Just saw this and as I am not near the suspension expert as most of you guys I can deff. Say you will want to regear from 3.23 to at least 4.10 if your running 35" tires, especially since you said you will be wheeling a bit.

4Lo.com :: Tire Size Change, New Gear Ratio Calculator
08-27-2014 11:53 AM
huskrjk Ok I'll play. I have read through this entire thread and know enough that I want to do it right but am really no closer to picking a lift.
I'm driving a 14 Sahara unlimited manual with 3.23 gearing.
Wanna stay reasonable as this is my dd. 2.5-3" don't wanna do a bb as I would like to actually do some off-roading with the jeep. Not stuck on tire size but I don't plan on going any bigger than 35s.
Teraflex, RK both have kits ranging from fairly cheap to way more than I wanna spend but if all included is gonna be needed I will spend the $!
What about package deals like this:
Daystar 3" Lift Kit with Shocks + Baja Xtreme™ Quadratec Wheels + Mickey Thompson 35" ATZ Tires | Jeep Parts and Accessories | Quadratec
Or this?
Skyjacker 3" Sport Lift Kit with Hydro Shocks + Superchips Flashpaq | Jeep Parts and Accessories | Quadratec
I basically need someone to hold my hand and help me pick a kit at a reasonable price but complete.
Also should I plan on including a gear change if I do go to 35" tire?
Ok kjeeper10 et al.!!!!
Oh and thanks in advance
Go!!!!
08-27-2014 04:08 AM
kjeeper10
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Originally Posted by Fr8dawg View Post
Ha! I just went through this with a track bar that uses jam nuts and must be removed from the vehicle to be adjusted... While the JKS is a nice piece, it is nowhere near as easy to adjust as the teraflex bar. Just my suggestion, but I would avoid anything that uses jam nuts to secure the joints. Trust me, jam nuts are pain in the ass. Any reputable suspension manufacturer will make a great track bar, but some are just "easier" to work with as far as install and adjustment. As far as the joints go... Same thing. They can all be serviced and replaced, dont let that be your deciding factor. Also take a look at synergy, it is adjustable while installed and it works with their trackbar frame brace (thats what Ill be getting)
I try to avoid jam nuts myself. Looks like he already ordered it. He'll be fine .. A lot of folks run JKS. I'll have to look into the bushing upgrade. Edit: hmm looks like it can be run in stock and other track bars as well. Good choice ... News to me. Thank you !!!
Something to keep in mind ... Not all track bars adjust to stock if used with a track bar bracket (steering correction or high steer kit)
08-27-2014 02:30 AM
Fr8dawg
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Originally Posted by MnJK View Post
Planning to upgrade the stock front track bar and am leaning toward the JKS adjustable. Seems like it receives consistently positive reviews, can be rebuilt and I like the way it adjusts compared to the Teraflex, for example.
Ha! I just went through this with a track bar that uses jam nuts and must be removed from the vehicle to be adjusted... While the JKS is a nice piece, it is nowhere near as easy to adjust as the teraflex bar. Just my suggestion, but I would avoid anything that uses jam nuts to secure the joints. Trust me, jam nuts are pain in the ass.

Any reputable suspension manufacturer will make a great track bar, but some are just "easier" to work with as far as install and adjustment. As far as the joints go... Same thing. They can all be serviced and replaced, dont let that be your deciding factor. Also take a look at synergy, it is adjustable while installed and it works with their trackbar frame brace (thats what Ill be getting)
08-26-2014 09:28 PM
MnJK Planning to upgrade the stock front track bar and am leaning toward the JKS adjustable. Seems like it receives consistently positive reviews, can be rebuilt and I like the way it adjusts compared to the Teraflex, for example. The track bar has the option of standard bushing or upgrading to the "SuperDurometer" bushings. Found just a few threads and all went with the upgrade. I just have a small lift now (1.5" performance leveling lift) and 33's.

Off-roading is wooded trails, off-road parks with rock crawling on "difficult" rated trails. Definitely not expert trails with large obstacles as my set-up doesn't have the clearance and I'm not at that skill level (yet!).

Lastly, I'd like to be able to stick with it over time through future upgrades (max lift will be 3.5" with 35's) and the JKS seems like it could handle that just fine.

So, now the questions....
Any known issues with this product?
Would work well over time as mods grow?
Upgraded bushings seem like a good choice?

Much appreciated!
08-26-2014 12:02 PM
kjeeper10 Awesome ..
08-26-2014 11:44 AM
Jeff174
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Originally Posted by kjeeper10 View Post
Exhaust spacers or crossover are a good idea yes.
Drop brackets are not needed with upper arms. Nice to have if you do what to run them.
Bump stops yes ... Rancho doesn't include them in the kit ?

I was mis-reading a footnote. The kit does come with Bump stop spacers.
08-26-2014 11:36 AM
kjeeper10
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Originally Posted by Jeff174 View Post
I will admit, that I really like the Rancho Kit and it fits really well within my budget. I am going to talk to the Rancho rep and check on the rebate as that would cut cost a little more. Would I need any more than exhaust spacers with the Rancho kit or do I need to go with their recommended Crossover exhaust, Control arm correction brackets, bump stops? (or is this a question for the Rancho Rep, which I suspect he will suggest all 3) Also, Thank You for the help!!!
Exhaust spacers or crossover are a good idea yes.
Drop brackets are not needed with upper arms. Nice to have if you do what to run them.
Bump stops yes ... Rancho doesn't include them in the kit ?
08-26-2014 11:20 AM
Jeff174
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Originally Posted by kjeeper10 View Post
I don't know a single person running that Rusty's kit. The short radius style arms, and torsion created at the axle and joints worries me. That kit would suck through joints like nobody's business,

The Rancho kit is a nice setup. Cost wise, I would look look more to TF .. But Rancho's rebate is right around the corner, and that is a more complete setup.
The upper arms will allow setting caster/pinion angles which you won't get with the basic TF 2.5 kit.

It's a toss up between TF/Rancho. Contact the Rancho rep. See if he may have a idea on the rebate.

I will admit, that I really like the Rancho Kit and it fits really well within my budget. I am going to talk to the Rancho rep and check on the rebate as that would cut cost a little more.

Would I need any more than exhaust spacers with the Rancho kit or do I need to go with their recommended Crossover exhaust, Control arm correction brackets, bump stops? (or is this a question for the Rancho Rep, which I suspect he will suggest all 3)

Also, Thank You for the help!!!
08-26-2014 11:03 AM
kjeeper10
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Originally Posted by Jeff174 View Post
Looking to lift my 2012 JKUR. It has an upgraded front bumper and skid plate. Winch to be added SOON. Will be adding 35" tires at later date and I do go off-road, but the Jeep is the wife's DD. I have been looking at a couple of lifts and am curious as to the opinions on them and what I might need to add to them to complete the lift. Rusty's 3.25 rubicon Advanced Rusty's JK Wrangler Rubicon 3.25" Advanced Kit or Rancho 3-in trail system with the RS9000xl shocks Rancho Suspension: Suspension » 2007 - 2014 Jeep JK Wrangler - 2 & 4 Door 4WD Suspension Systems, Lift Kits, Leveling Systems & Shocks (link isn't straight to it, have to click on "lift your vehicle --> 3in trail system) Or should I just go with the TF 2.5 coil with Rancho shocks to avoid more problems? Jeff
I don't know a single person running that Rusty's kit. The short radius style arms, and torsion created at the axle and joints worries me. That kit would suck through joints like nobody's business,

The Rancho kit is a nice setup. Cost wise, I would look look more to TF .. But Rancho's rebate is right around the corner, and that is a more complete setup.
The upper arms will allow setting caster/pinion angles which you won't get with the basic TF 2.5 kit.

It's a toss up between TF/Rancho. Contact the Rancho rep. See if he may have a idea on the rebate.
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