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08-29-2014 01:54 PM
kjeeper10
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Originally Posted by Jeff174 View Post
I PM'd the Rancho rep, and he said the shocks would be on the rebate this fall. No dates from him though. He said the lift, and shocks would be on rebate next spring. September is fall to me?

Ok thanks ... Duh "Shocktober" = shocks lol

Yes .. September. Last year it ran from sep/oct i believe. Keep a eye out.
08-29-2014 01:35 PM
Jeff174 I PM'd the Rancho rep, and he said the shocks would be on the rebate this fall. No dates from him though. He said the lift, and shocks would be on rebate next spring. September is fall to me?
08-28-2014 04:44 AM
kjeeper10
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Originally Posted by Senayski View Post
Pm me when this rebate is going on!! ill order them with the rebate instead of with the RK MT kit.
I heard September, not sure when.
08-27-2014 10:48 PM
Senayski
Quote:
Originally Posted by kjeeper10 View Post


Wait a couple weeks. The Rancho rebate is back.
Add 9000's

Pm me when this rebate is going on!! ill order them with the rebate instead of with the RK MT kit.
08-27-2014 06:49 PM
kjeeper10
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Originally Posted by huskrjk View Post
Thanks ken, Also looking at the rancho 3 trail kit. Love the price of that one and it seems fairly complete. Minus shocks of course


Wait a couple weeks. The Rancho rebate is back.
Add 9000's
08-27-2014 06:14 PM
huskrjk
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Originally Posted by kjeeper10 View Post
This I will have to look more into.
3" is about that height where you should do things "the right way"
Not discrediting the two kits ... Let me find more info on them.

Ken
Thanks ken,
Also looking at the rancho 3 trail kit. Love the price of that one and it seems fairly complete. Minus shocks of course
08-27-2014 06:10 PM
MnJK
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fr8dawg View Post
Ha! I just went through this with a track bar that uses jam nuts and must be removed from the vehicle to be adjusted... While the JKS is a nice piece, it is nowhere near as easy to adjust as the teraflex bar. Just my suggestion, but I would avoid anything that uses jam nuts to secure the joints. Trust me, jam nuts are pain in the ass.

Any reputable suspension manufacturer will make a great track bar, but some are just "easier" to work with as far as install and adjustment. As far as the joints go... Same thing. They can all be serviced and replaced, dont let that be your deciding factor. Also take a look at synergy, it is adjustable while installed and it works with their trackbar frame brace (thats what Ill be getting)
Quote:
Originally Posted by kjeeper10 View Post
I try to avoid jam nuts myself. Looks like he already ordered it. He'll be fine .. A lot of folks run JKS. I'll have to look into the bushing upgrade. Edit: hmm looks like it can be run in stock and other track bars as well. Good choice ... News to me. Thank you !!!
Something to keep in mind ... Not all track bars adjust to stock if used with a track bar bracket (steering correction or high steer kit)
Thanks to you both for the advice about damn nuts...I mean jam nuts. I haven't ordered anything yet. Will check out the synergy as well. Appreciate it!
08-27-2014 06:03 PM
kjeeper10
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Originally Posted by Texanrojo View Post
Yeah comparable to the x-factor. Probably the duroflex at least. Maybe the game changer. I just want the best ride with a pretty awesome amount of flex.
This one ?

http://www.metalcloak.com/JK-Wrangle...tem-p/7118.htm

The OME's have a lot of travel. More then most off the shelf mono tubes.
08-27-2014 05:24 PM
Texanrojo
Quote:
Originally Posted by kjeeper10 View Post
Two if the better company's to deal with. Both offer complete kits. That's a hard one ... Personal preference.

Edit: which MC Kit are you looking into .. Comparable to RK's X factor ?
Yeah comparable to the x-factor. Probably the duroflex at least. Maybe the game changer. I just want the best ride with a pretty awesome amount of flex.
08-27-2014 03:19 PM
kjeeper10
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Originally Posted by huskrjk View Post
Ok I'll play. I have read through this entire thread and know enough that I want to do it right but am really no closer to picking a lift. I'm driving a 14 Sahara unlimited manual with 3.23 gearing. Wanna stay reasonable as this is my dd. 2.5-3" don't wanna do a bb as I would like to actually do some off-roading with the jeep. Not stuck on tire size but I don't plan on going any bigger than 35s. Teraflex, RK both have kits ranging from fairly cheap to way more than I wanna spend but if all included is gonna be needed I will spend the $! What about package deals like this: Daystar 3" Lift Kit with Shocks + Baja Xtreme™ Quadratec Wheels + Mickey Thompson 35" ATZ Tires | Jeep Parts and Accessories | Quadratec Or this? Skyjacker 3" Sport Lift Kit with Hydro Shocks + Superchips Flashpaq | Jeep Parts and Accessories | Quadratec I basically need someone to hold my hand and help me pick a kit at a reasonable price but complete. Also should I plan on including a gear change if I do go to 35" tire? Ok kjeeper10 et al.!!!! Oh and thanks in advance Go!!!!
This I will have to look more into.
3" is about that height where you should do things "the right way"
Not discrediting the two kits ... Let me find more info on them.

Ken
08-27-2014 03:15 PM
kjeeper10
Quote:
Originally Posted by Texanrojo View Post
What does everyone think of rockkrawler vs metalcloak. I'd like 35"s I'll change to 4.10's and will DD Most of the time but when I wheel I wheel pretty hard some trips to Colorado, moab etc. I'm thinking either RK x-factor vs the metalcloak duroflex (at least). I see that metalcloak doesn't come with discos which I would like. And I know I'm opening up a can but I need to learn more about suspension on a whole because the frankenlifts just scare the shit outta me. Would these lift kits suffice on their own, would y'all recommend subbing certain things for others. I've heard a lot about track bars and the like but feel as if I'm getting over my head. Any links to suspension guides would be appreciated as well if it's easier. Thanks everyone!
Two if the better company's to deal with. Both offer complete kits. That's a hard one ... Personal preference.

Edit: which MC Kit are you looking into .. Comparable to RK's X factor ?
08-27-2014 01:04 PM
huskrjk
Quote:
Originally Posted by Texanrojo View Post
Just saw this and as I am not near the suspension expert as most of you guys I can deff. Say you will want to regear from 3.23 to at least 4.10 if your running 35" tires, especially since you said you will be wheeling a bit.

4Lo.com :: Tire Size Change, New Gear Ratio Calculator
Thanks. Had pretty much come to that conclusion at least.
Now to pick a lift.
08-27-2014 12:46 PM
Texanrojo What does everyone think of rockkrawler vs metalcloak. I'd like 35"s I'll change to 4.10's and will DD Most of the time but when I wheel I wheel pretty hard some trips to Colorado, moab etc. I'm thinking either RK x-factor vs the metalcloak duroflex (at least). I see that metalcloak doesn't come with discos which I would like.

And I know I'm opening up a can but I need to learn more about suspension on a whole because the frankenlifts just scare the shit outta me. Would these lift kits suffice on their own, would y'all recommend subbing certain things for others. I've heard a lot about track bars and the like but feel as if I'm getting over my head. Any links to suspension guides would be appreciated as well if it's easier. Thanks everyone!
08-27-2014 12:38 PM
Texanrojo
Quote:
Originally Posted by huskrjk View Post
Ok I'll play. I have read through this entire thread and know enough that I want to do it right but am really no closer to picking a lift.
I'm driving a 14 Sahara unlimited manual with 3.23 gearing.
Wanna stay reasonable as this is my dd. 2.5-3" don't wanna do a bb as I would like to actually do some off-roading with the jeep. Not stuck on tire size but I don't plan on going any bigger than 35s.
Teraflex, RK both have kits ranging from fairly cheap to way more than I wanna spend but if all included is gonna be needed I will spend the $!
What about package deals like this:
Daystar 3" Lift Kit with Shocks + Baja Xtreme™ Quadratec Wheels + Mickey Thompson 35" ATZ Tires | Jeep Parts and Accessories | Quadratec
Or this?
Skyjacker 3" Sport Lift Kit with Hydro Shocks + Superchips Flashpaq | Jeep Parts and Accessories | Quadratec
I basically need someone to hold my hand and help me pick a kit at a reasonable price but complete.
Also should I plan on including a gear change if I do go to 35" tire?
Ok kjeeper10 et al.!!!!
Oh and thanks in advance
Go!!!!


Just saw this and as I am not near the suspension expert as most of you guys I can deff. Say you will want to regear from 3.23 to at least 4.10 if your running 35" tires, especially since you said you will be wheeling a bit.

4Lo.com :: Tire Size Change, New Gear Ratio Calculator
08-27-2014 11:53 AM
huskrjk Ok I'll play. I have read through this entire thread and know enough that I want to do it right but am really no closer to picking a lift.
I'm driving a 14 Sahara unlimited manual with 3.23 gearing.
Wanna stay reasonable as this is my dd. 2.5-3" don't wanna do a bb as I would like to actually do some off-roading with the jeep. Not stuck on tire size but I don't plan on going any bigger than 35s.
Teraflex, RK both have kits ranging from fairly cheap to way more than I wanna spend but if all included is gonna be needed I will spend the $!
What about package deals like this:
Daystar 3" Lift Kit with Shocks + Baja Xtreme™ Quadratec Wheels + Mickey Thompson 35" ATZ Tires | Jeep Parts and Accessories | Quadratec
Or this?
Skyjacker 3" Sport Lift Kit with Hydro Shocks + Superchips Flashpaq | Jeep Parts and Accessories | Quadratec
I basically need someone to hold my hand and help me pick a kit at a reasonable price but complete.
Also should I plan on including a gear change if I do go to 35" tire?
Ok kjeeper10 et al.!!!!
Oh and thanks in advance
Go!!!!
08-27-2014 04:08 AM
kjeeper10
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fr8dawg View Post
Ha! I just went through this with a track bar that uses jam nuts and must be removed from the vehicle to be adjusted... While the JKS is a nice piece, it is nowhere near as easy to adjust as the teraflex bar. Just my suggestion, but I would avoid anything that uses jam nuts to secure the joints. Trust me, jam nuts are pain in the ass. Any reputable suspension manufacturer will make a great track bar, but some are just "easier" to work with as far as install and adjustment. As far as the joints go... Same thing. They can all be serviced and replaced, dont let that be your deciding factor. Also take a look at synergy, it is adjustable while installed and it works with their trackbar frame brace (thats what Ill be getting)
I try to avoid jam nuts myself. Looks like he already ordered it. He'll be fine .. A lot of folks run JKS. I'll have to look into the bushing upgrade. Edit: hmm looks like it can be run in stock and other track bars as well. Good choice ... News to me. Thank you !!!
Something to keep in mind ... Not all track bars adjust to stock if used with a track bar bracket (steering correction or high steer kit)
08-27-2014 02:30 AM
Fr8dawg
Quote:
Originally Posted by MnJK View Post
Planning to upgrade the stock front track bar and am leaning toward the JKS adjustable. Seems like it receives consistently positive reviews, can be rebuilt and I like the way it adjusts compared to the Teraflex, for example.
Ha! I just went through this with a track bar that uses jam nuts and must be removed from the vehicle to be adjusted... While the JKS is a nice piece, it is nowhere near as easy to adjust as the teraflex bar. Just my suggestion, but I would avoid anything that uses jam nuts to secure the joints. Trust me, jam nuts are pain in the ass.

Any reputable suspension manufacturer will make a great track bar, but some are just "easier" to work with as far as install and adjustment. As far as the joints go... Same thing. They can all be serviced and replaced, dont let that be your deciding factor. Also take a look at synergy, it is adjustable while installed and it works with their trackbar frame brace (thats what Ill be getting)
08-26-2014 09:28 PM
MnJK Planning to upgrade the stock front track bar and am leaning toward the JKS adjustable. Seems like it receives consistently positive reviews, can be rebuilt and I like the way it adjusts compared to the Teraflex, for example. The track bar has the option of standard bushing or upgrading to the "SuperDurometer" bushings. Found just a few threads and all went with the upgrade. I just have a small lift now (1.5" performance leveling lift) and 33's.

Off-roading is wooded trails, off-road parks with rock crawling on "difficult" rated trails. Definitely not expert trails with large obstacles as my set-up doesn't have the clearance and I'm not at that skill level (yet!).

Lastly, I'd like to be able to stick with it over time through future upgrades (max lift will be 3.5" with 35's) and the JKS seems like it could handle that just fine.

So, now the questions....
Any known issues with this product?
Would work well over time as mods grow?
Upgraded bushings seem like a good choice?

Much appreciated!
08-26-2014 12:02 PM
kjeeper10 Awesome ..
08-26-2014 11:44 AM
Jeff174
Quote:
Originally Posted by kjeeper10 View Post
Exhaust spacers or crossover are a good idea yes.
Drop brackets are not needed with upper arms. Nice to have if you do what to run them.
Bump stops yes ... Rancho doesn't include them in the kit ?

I was mis-reading a footnote. The kit does come with Bump stop spacers.
08-26-2014 11:36 AM
kjeeper10
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Originally Posted by Jeff174 View Post
I will admit, that I really like the Rancho Kit and it fits really well within my budget. I am going to talk to the Rancho rep and check on the rebate as that would cut cost a little more. Would I need any more than exhaust spacers with the Rancho kit or do I need to go with their recommended Crossover exhaust, Control arm correction brackets, bump stops? (or is this a question for the Rancho Rep, which I suspect he will suggest all 3) Also, Thank You for the help!!!
Exhaust spacers or crossover are a good idea yes.
Drop brackets are not needed with upper arms. Nice to have if you do what to run them.
Bump stops yes ... Rancho doesn't include them in the kit ?
08-26-2014 11:20 AM
Jeff174
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Originally Posted by kjeeper10 View Post
I don't know a single person running that Rusty's kit. The short radius style arms, and torsion created at the axle and joints worries me. That kit would suck through joints like nobody's business,

The Rancho kit is a nice setup. Cost wise, I would look look more to TF .. But Rancho's rebate is right around the corner, and that is a more complete setup.
The upper arms will allow setting caster/pinion angles which you won't get with the basic TF 2.5 kit.

It's a toss up between TF/Rancho. Contact the Rancho rep. See if he may have a idea on the rebate.

I will admit, that I really like the Rancho Kit and it fits really well within my budget. I am going to talk to the Rancho rep and check on the rebate as that would cut cost a little more.

Would I need any more than exhaust spacers with the Rancho kit or do I need to go with their recommended Crossover exhaust, Control arm correction brackets, bump stops? (or is this a question for the Rancho Rep, which I suspect he will suggest all 3)

Also, Thank You for the help!!!
08-26-2014 11:03 AM
kjeeper10
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Originally Posted by Jeff174 View Post
Looking to lift my 2012 JKUR. It has an upgraded front bumper and skid plate. Winch to be added SOON. Will be adding 35" tires at later date and I do go off-road, but the Jeep is the wife's DD. I have been looking at a couple of lifts and am curious as to the opinions on them and what I might need to add to them to complete the lift. Rusty's 3.25 rubicon Advanced Rusty's JK Wrangler Rubicon 3.25" Advanced Kit or Rancho 3-in trail system with the RS9000xl shocks Rancho Suspension: Suspension » 2007 - 2014 Jeep JK Wrangler - 2 & 4 Door 4WD Suspension Systems, Lift Kits, Leveling Systems & Shocks (link isn't straight to it, have to click on "lift your vehicle --> 3in trail system) Or should I just go with the TF 2.5 coil with Rancho shocks to avoid more problems? Jeff
I don't know a single person running that Rusty's kit. The short radius style arms, and torsion created at the axle and joints worries me. That kit would suck through joints like nobody's business,

The Rancho kit is a nice setup. Cost wise, I would look look more to TF .. But Rancho's rebate is right around the corner, and that is a more complete setup.
The upper arms will allow setting caster/pinion angles which you won't get with the basic TF 2.5 kit.

It's a toss up between TF/Rancho. Contact the Rancho rep. See if he may have a idea on the rebate.
08-26-2014 10:25 AM
Jeff174 Looking to lift my 2012 JKUR. It has an upgraded front bumper and skid plate. Winch to be added SOON. Will be adding 35" tires at later date and I do go off-road, but the Jeep is the wife's DD. I have been looking at a couple of lifts and am curious as to the opinions on them and what I might need to add to them to complete the lift.

Rusty's 3.25 rubicon Advanced
Rusty's JK Wrangler Rubicon 3.25" Advanced Kit

or
Rancho 3-in trail system with the RS9000xl shocks
Rancho Suspension: Suspension » 2007 - 2014 Jeep JK Wrangler - 2 & 4 Door 4WD Suspension Systems, Lift Kits, Leveling Systems & Shocks
(link isn't straight to it, have to click on "lift your vehicle --> 3in trail system)

Or should I just go with the TF 2.5 coil with Rancho shocks to avoid more problems?

Jeff
08-25-2014 08:27 PM
courtneybiggans
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Originally Posted by kjeeper10 View Post
Consider your needs.
Do you off road ?
Yes - coil lift
No - budget boost
Yes but only light trails - budget boost

Are you going to add a winch/bumpers ?
Yes - coil lift
No - budget boost

Is your max tire size going to be a 33" ?
Yes - budget boost/leveling kit or nothing,
No .. Maybe a 35" - flat flares/budget boost will work,
No maybe 40's - coil lift

Keep this in mind .. Aftermarket coils are typically stiffer and won't always give what's listed for height. Mostly depending on weight (bumpers/armor/winch/etc)
It's not at all uncommon for a 2.5 to end up at 3" or even 3.5"
Once you break that 3" mark .. There's other areas that need to be addressed ie caster angles/pinion angles/roll center/possible drive shafts.

The benefit of a budget boost is retention of the softer stock coils. Run shock extensions, stock Rubi shocks (if you have sport shocks) or a after market shock. Maybe some sort of caster correction. Most kits supply all that's needed to get you going
Awesome thank you for the breakdown! Definitely made it easier for me to understand haha
08-24-2014 09:09 PM
Jetjocchris Ah ok. Thanks, I will keep my eye on it.
08-24-2014 09:06 PM
kjeeper10
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Originally Posted by Jetjocchris View Post
Yes the accordion boot, it's torn now. No exhaust spacers at this time and none planned. I will get an aftermarket shaft when the time comes... When do the shafts start throwing grease..? Is the general purpose of the boot just to keep the dust out..?
The grease comes from the other rubber boot. Front shaft at the transfer case. Rear the same although there's a joint on both ends.
The excessive angle can split the boot and throw grease.
The boot you tore is just a dust cover correct
08-24-2014 08:32 PM
Jetjocchris
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Originally Posted by kjeeper10 View Post
I'm assuming your talking about the accordion looking slip boot ? Don't confuse that with the CV joint (Rzeppa) I believe somebody makes a replacement but it's not a real concern. No aftermarket shafts have slip cover boots. Are you running exhaust spacers ?
Yes the accordion boot, it's torn now. No exhaust spacers at this time and none planned. I will get an aftermarket shaft when the time comes... When do the shafts start throwing grease..? Is the general purpose of the boot just to keep the dust out..?
08-24-2014 07:58 PM
kjeeper10
Quote:
Originally Posted by courtneybiggans View Post
I was looking at a suspension lift but I don't know much so if thats what you recommend I'll definitely look into them more. Thank you!
Consider your needs.
Do you off road ?
Yes - coil lift
No - budget boost
Yes but only light trails - budget boost

Are you going to add a winch/bumpers ?
Yes - coil lift
No - budget boost

Is your max tire size going to be a 33" ?
Yes - budget boost/leveling kit or nothing,
No .. Maybe a 35" - flat flares/budget boost will work,
No maybe 40's - coil lift

Keep this in mind .. Aftermarket coils are typically stiffer and won't always give what's listed for height. Mostly depending on weight (bumpers/armor/winch/etc)
It's not at all uncommon for a 2.5 to end up at 3" or even 3.5"
Once you break that 3" mark .. There's other areas that need to be addressed ie caster angles/pinion angles/roll center/possible drive shafts.

The benefit of a budget boost is retention of the softer stock coils. Run shock extensions, stock Rubi shocks (if you have sport shocks) or a after market shock. Maybe some sort of caster correction. Most kits supply all that's needed to get you going
08-24-2014 06:46 PM
courtneybiggans
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Originally Posted by kjeeper10 View Post
Keep it low and simple. A 33" tire will fit stock with the right backspace wheel (assuming you're running a 12.5" wide tire"

How about any of the 2.5" budget boost lifts ?
TeraFlex JK Wrangler 2.5 inch Performance Budget Boost w/Shock Adaptors - RockRaider Off-road

This is just a example. There's kits with new shocks, without shocks (choose your own)

At most, maybe a set of front lower Control arms or drop brackets to correct caster angle and improve handling.
I was looking at a suspension lift but I don't know much so if thats what you recommend I'll definitely look into them more. Thank you!
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