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02-03-2010 01:13 AM
TJNewbie Thanks IslandTJ for your time and impressive information. since buying my TJ I have done alot of research, reading the boards of several forums, trying to figure out, the options that I want to upgrade and how to do it. I too felt that the 2" suspension lift with a 1" body lift would do the trick. but I didn't know what to get or what would work best. You've helped me out a great deal. I'll eventually get to the 33x10.5x15s, while maintaining a good on-road ride/drivable quality too.
02-02-2010 10:33 AM
IslandTJ
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Originally Posted by TJNewbie View Post
IslandTJ, thanks for all the info & great pics! Last question, Between the 2" suspension lift and 1.25" body lift, did you have to adjust the radiator mounts, raise the engine, or anything else to maintain ride quality?
I ran my 2" BDS suspension for a while on 31" tires as I was saving up for the 33"s. During that period, I noticed a slight vibe around 35-40 mph. To resolve the vibes, I slowly added a washer to my transfer case bolts, dropping the skid one washer at a time. I believe after 4 washers, I was able to tune out the vibes completely. When I finally managed to purchase the 33" tires, I installed my JKS 1.25" body lift and at the same time, I installed 1" JKS motor mount spacers (MML). I didn't have to relocate my radiator fan shroud (normally this is part of a body lift process) as I was lifting my motor with the MML. The MML also allowed me to leave my 4wd lever linkage, "as is" - without any modifications. In some cases with a body lift, in order to shift properly into 4lo without hitting the body, a bracket must be installed to effectively move the linkage enough to engage 4lo. Again, the MML allowed me to bypass the bracket.

Additionally, with such a minimal body lift, I did not have to bother with my AC, and fuel filler hose (no extensions necessary).

Lastly, the MML allowed me to remove all the washers I used to drop my transfer case, hence raising the skid back to stock height and giving me the clearance I lost (although minimal) with the washers. Apparently, the motor mount spacers raised the engine sufficiently to re-align my driveline angles close to specifications, as I am vibe free. Without the MML, I would either have to lose clearance with a dropped transfer case skid or incur further costs with the procurement and installation of a SYE and CV shaft.
02-02-2010 01:18 AM
TJNewbie IslandTJ, thanks for all the info & great pics! Last question, Between the 2" suspension lift and 1.25" body lift, did you have to adjust the radiator mounts, raise the engine, or anything else to maintain ride quality?
02-01-2010 10:41 AM
IslandTJ
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Originally Posted by TJNewbie View Post
Hey IslandTJ I hate to keep pestering you, but I noticed you have an aftermarket sway bar, how do you like it and are those Drop-Kick sliders? those are my first choice for sliders/step bar, how are they doin for you?
The swaybar is definitely one of my top 3 upgrades. It's a SwayLOC dual rate swaybar. With a simple flip of a lever, I can set the swaybar to a "soft" setting for off roading, or to the swaybar's "firm" setting for normal street & highway driving. Prior to the SwayLOC, I had Teraflex’s Quick Disconnects, which were a great product IMO. However, after a while I didn’t appreciate the Jeep’s tendency to suddenly drop down to a side on an off camber trail while disconnected. With an off-road purpose swaybar such as the SwayLOC or Currie’s Antirock, the sudden side drops I used to experience – are no longer an issue, the Jeep feel so much in control. Articulation is still great as you can see in in post # 7. I also like the fact that when I disconnect or re-connect, all I do is flip a lever. No more dirty hands, sleeves, or difficulties trying to re-align the links if I’m on uneven ground. The only downside to a dual rate bar (especially the SwayLOC) is the huge cost.

The Detours Dropkick Slyders are awesome. They are so easy to install especially if you’re installing the product by yourself. I specifically chose the Slyders because I required a functional step for my wife and kids, and wanted side protection at the same time. My Slyders are made for Jeeps with a body lift so clearance and an unsightly gap are minimal.



I highly recommend the Dropkick Slyders, if you need a functional step and protection. Additionally, after off-roading with a purpose built swaybar such as the SwayLOC (or even the Antirock), I wouldn’t go back fully disconnecting – seems contrary, but remaining connected really improves the Jeep’s performance on off camber scenarios.
02-01-2010 03:07 AM
TJNewbie Hey IslandTJ I hate to keep pestering you, but I noticed you have an aftermarket sway bar, how do you like it and are those Drop-Kick sliders? those are my first choice for sliders/step bar, how are they doin for you?
01-31-2010 10:37 PM
IslandTJ
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Originally Posted by CenARJeepChick View Post
You're running 33s with a 2" lift? How much rubbing do get?
The 2" BDS suspension is supplemented with a 1.25" JKS body lift.
01-31-2010 10:24 PM
CenARJeepChick You're running 33s with a 2" lift? How much rubbing do get?
01-31-2010 12:58 PM
IslandTJ
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Originally Posted by TJNewbie View Post
Btw IslandTJ, what type & size tires do you have on your jeep in the pic?
Those are 33x10.5 BFG MTs.

01-31-2010 01:21 AM
TJNewbie Btw IslandTJ, what type & size tires do you have on your jeep in the pic?
01-31-2010 01:17 AM
TJNewbie Well, tell your buddy he does great work, I think the push pads are nice touch. He should consider making some and selling them on the market. Man, she's got nice hammers!
01-30-2010 04:22 PM
APPSTATEwrangler
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Nope, I destroyed the passenger side of my stock bumper on a highway meridian during a past winter storm here in Oregon, so one of my friends (works as a fabricator) made me a custom bumper to replace the stock one. While I was throwing away the stock bumper he told me that he wanted to recycle the rubber "push pads" by reusing it on the custom bumper. I was impressed, the push pads simply bolted on .

Nice touch as I've never seen a custom or aftermarket bumper with the OEM push pads.

I also had a "universal" winch mount from Harbor Freight, it was cut down to a stubby and welded on to the custom bumper. Gussets were attached for the stubby's reinforcement.
hahah i was thinking he was talking about your avatar.
01-30-2010 10:44 AM
fred9981
spacer lift 2003 2.4

my girl drives this car. she's had since 03 completely stock. tires are 31. i want it a little higher. she doesn't do any offroading in it. we just ride around in the dunes in glamis.

how bad is the ride with just a spacer lift? would she be able to notice.

whats the highest you can go with a spacer lift before you change out the stock shocks.

really just looking for it to look a little higher
01-29-2010 10:03 PM
IslandTJ
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Originally Posted by TJNewbie View Post
IslandTJ, I Like that front bumper. is that a modified stock bumper?
Nope, I destroyed the passenger side of my stock bumper on a highway meridian during a past winter storm here in Oregon, so one of my friends (works as a fabricator) made me a custom bumper to replace the stock one. While I was throwing away the stock bumper he told me that he wanted to recycle the rubber "push pads" by reusing it on the custom bumper. I was impressed, the push pads simply bolted on .

Nice touch as I've never seen a custom or aftermarket bumper with the OEM push pads.

I also had a "universal" winch mount from Harbor Freight, it was cut down to a stubby and welded on to the custom bumper. Gussets were attached for the stubby's reinforcement.
01-29-2010 06:33 PM
Beachcomber
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Where did you pick it up for that price? Cheapest I found was 230 PLUS shipping... And did you install it yourself or how much would it be to have it installed by a shop somewhere?
I purchased it at 4wheelparts.com I just checked again it was 215.99 with free shipping.

I did the install myself took about 5 hours. I had no one helping and I spent about an hour trying to get the front shocks off. I finally just cut the nuts off.

Take a look at the lift reviews you will find mine there.
01-29-2010 04:46 PM
TJNewbie IslandTJ, I Like that front bumper. is that a modified stock bumper?
01-29-2010 04:40 PM
TJNewbie First of all, thanks for all of the info from everybody. I had considered the rubicon express set-up, but hadn't found it at that kinda price. I'll look around again. And for Islandtj I love your avitar! She's very distracting. For now I just plan on running 31x10.5x15 General Grabbers. Then in the future after I get some flat fenders, I'd like to move up to 33x10.5x15 Interco TRXUS MT Super Swampers, and may have to add to the suspension alittle at a time.
01-29-2010 04:09 PM
IslandTJ
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Originally Posted by Mr. WOT View Post
^ I can't stop staring at your avatar.
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Originally Posted by G-Pur View Post
Me either. I always look forward to seeing Island post. Makes the day just a bit brighter.
LOL, you guys crack me up . Apparently, my wife is the only one who doesn't appreciate my avatar.
01-29-2010 04:03 PM
G-Pur
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Originally Posted by Mr. WOT View Post
^ I can't stop staring at your avatar.
Me either. I always look forward to seeing Island post. Makes the day just a bit brighter.
01-29-2010 03:57 PM
balzer
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Originally Posted by IslandTJ View Post
I imagine your 2000 Jeep's coils may experience some sagging due to their age. If so, I recommend you upgrade with a suspension kit that replaces your stock coils with a new set.[*]OME 2" suspension - the "mother" of 2" suspensions. You pretty much get what you pay for - QUALITY![/LIST]
I completely agree. I am tempted to replace my 2" lift I already have with OME (old man emu) even though my jeep rides pretty good now I have rode in a 2" OME lifted wrangler and it was like SILK.

I may just try new OME shocks first and see if thats enough or if I need to replace the springs too. I dont plan on going over 31" tire so the small lift is fine with me.
01-29-2010 03:44 PM
Mr. WOT ^ I can't stop staring at your avatar.
01-29-2010 03:37 PM
IslandTJ I imagine your 2000 Jeep's coils may experience some sagging due to their age. If so, I recommend you upgrade with a suspension kit that replaces your stock coils with a new set.

A budget boost normally comes with coil spacers, you may new a full suspension lift depending on existing coil sag. I'd recommend you research and consider the following suspension kit upgrades, listed in order of price.
  • Rough County 2.5" suspension - gaining popularity with the 2" crowd. RC has increased its quality control and with the introduction of the performance series 2.2 shocks, the lift rides unlike its namesake.
  • BDS 2" suspension - what I personally run , rides better than stock, both on and off road. Warranty can't be beat .
  • OME 2" suspension - the "mother" of 2" suspensions. You pretty much get what you pay for - QUALITY!
01-29-2010 09:23 AM
Twozerofd
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Originally Posted by Jimbo View Post
And did you install it yourself or how much would it be to have it installed by a shop somewhere?
basic hand tools, a good ratchet set (with extenders, the rear shock bolts are kinda tricky to reach) and some elbow grease will get your BB installed. A good spraying with PB blaster or WD40 a few days before on shock bolts and sway bar disconnects can help out a lot too. an extra pair of hands is always useful too
01-29-2010 07:32 AM
APPSTATEwrangler spacer lifts are super easy to install. i would not pay the extra $ to get it done by someone else.
01-29-2010 07:30 AM
Jimbo
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Originally Posted by Beachcomber View Post
I installed the Rubicon Express 2"BB and like it alot. I paid $214 with free shipping.
Where did you pick it up for that price? Cheapest I found was 230 PLUS shipping... And did you install it yourself or how much would it be to have it installed by a shop somewhere?
01-29-2010 06:58 AM
Beachcomber I installed the Rubicon Express 2"BB and like it alot. I paid $214 with free shipping.
01-29-2010 03:25 AM
distortedtj Black Mountain...parts and products are rebadged Superlift components. Kinda like GMC/Cheverolet type deal.

Spacers are spacer...they are all basically the same. The black mountain "superlift" shock can be a little stiff but aren't too bad. It is good the kit comes with all the bumpstops and hardware.
As for shock boots....don't use them... they trap dirt and water and help rust and the shock go out.

The company has a good rep but don't sell HUGE amounts of products. They are a smaller company. " rebadge superlift product".

As for the price...well you can do better. If I recall the RE "rubicon express" 2'' budget boost with shocks goes for around $225.

Good luck in your search and let us know if you need any more help.
01-29-2010 02:07 AM
TJNewbie
2inch lift kits??

I saw a 2inch lift kit from Black Mountain Suspension, it had 4 spacers/bump stops/shocks/boots & all associated hardware for $199.00 plus $48.00 S/H. Does anyone know if this is a good kit/product. Is the Black Mountain company worth buying from. It's at collinsbrosjeep.com. They use this kit on most of the used jeeps that they sell.

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