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07-12-2011 08:41 PM
bbrown626
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Originally Posted by ReedFlip View Post
im gonna be buying a 3.25" rough country suspension soon and i wanna run 35s... i have 3.73 gears... that ok? or should i just stick to 33s?
Have you read all the requirements for anything over 2.5" lift? You can put on a Tereflex 2.5" coil lift and run up to 35" tires. Over 2.5 and you will need drive shafts plus you will have may have many other handling and alignment problems that a simple lift does not address.
07-12-2011 04:29 PM
ReedFlip im gonna be buying a 3.25" rough country suspension soon and i wanna run 35s... i have 3.73 gears... that ok? or should i just stick to 33s?
02-18-2010 04:57 PM
CruserBruiser
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Originally Posted by Tpr5318 View Post
One other thing, are adjustable control arms a must? Can they be added later easily?
yeah those can wait too.
02-18-2010 04:14 PM
Tpr5318 One other thing, are adjustable control arms a must? Can they be added later easily?
02-18-2010 02:37 PM
Tpr5318
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Originally Posted by Hilldweller View Post
Bear in mind that those springs will sag a bit after a few weeks.
So chuck the coil spacers on anyway?

I am probably splitting hairs...its only 3/4 of an inch
02-18-2010 02:31 PM
Hilldweller Bear in mind that those springs will sag a bit after a few weeks.
02-18-2010 02:22 PM
Tpr5318 Well I pulled the trigger on 305/70R17 tires...which transfer out to be 33.8 inches. I think I will leave out the .75 coil spacers too and just go with the 2.5 inch lift. The added weight from the XHD front and rear bumper and XHD tire rack will probably make the 305/70R17's look faily proportionate.

I am going to put off regearing as long as possible. Unless I hit the lottery
02-18-2010 02:05 PM
Hilldweller You'll have to find out if the shocks will still be the right length. Other than that though, the less you lift it, the fewer knocked-over dominoes there are.
You shouldn't have to mess with driveshafts with 2.5" at least.
02-18-2010 01:56 PM
JIMBOX I'm not ignoring you Tpr, but you're driving a 2dr and spec's like 2.5" Vs 3.25" are better handled by JB or HD

It's pretty accepted on the 4dr's that 2.5 " lift has a 99.9% NIL effect, on ANYTHING other than wheelwell size, but I'm clueless on your jeep

JIMBO
02-18-2010 01:48 PM
Tpr5318 Is there a benefit of going 2.5 or 3.25?

Will it cause less wear and tear on stock control arms ect.
02-18-2010 12:42 PM
Tpr5318
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Originally Posted by Tpr5318 View Post
I almost wish I had just gone with a 2.5 inch lift. ran 33's and then not had to deal with all the regearing, steering stablizing, superchiping. ect ect ect ect
As it turns out....my lift IS a 2.5 suspension lift with added .75 inch coil spacers. So if I just dont put on the coil spacers...I can run the 33s without it looking unproportionate instead. Deal with 3.21 gearing and save the $$ AND stress of regearing.

What do ya guys think about that.
02-18-2010 11:59 AM
Tpr5318 I almost wish I had just gone with a 2.5 inch lift. ran 33's and then not had to deal with all the regearing, steering stablizing, superchiping. ect ect ect ect
02-18-2010 11:20 AM
Tpr5318
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Originally Posted by RaiderRUBICON View Post
You'll be fine,you just need to find someone(with experience) who knows how to build a jeep. Take your time. Did you read all those posts!! there is a lot, to building a jeep.There have got to be a ton of guys in New York,that can get the job done. Just keep talking to people,find a local jeep club.

Your experience with your jeep is reminding me of my experience with a classic car that I purchased.(it was'nt fun anymore) Don't get down,you'll get it right eventually.
Thanks for the words of encouragement. I only hope I don't break the bank trying to get it right. This is my only vehicle and will be using it 80% normal driving and 20% offroading. I am just trying to find the happy medium with those ratios in mind. I don't need a machine that has RPMs screaming going 65 down the highway, but I also don't want to be in the truck lane in 4th gear wavin at the Toyota Prius that is screamin by me HA HA.

Ay yi yi
02-18-2010 11:17 AM
JIMBOX I'm sorry, I'm jumping the gun, because I don't work, but

These guys may have a diff. opinion, but I would NEVER use that dual-stab, I don't know if you can send it back and I wouldn't keep it "IN CASE" you have trouble

Now as far as USanti says, your alignment is of MONUMENTAL importantance, I lucked out, because

My Rubi came with BFG M/Ts 32" and always "hunted" a tiny bit on the freeway, at 70 mph

Now with the new LT295/75x16 Hankook Dynapros-a full 33+++ in tire-

Since they increased my "toe-in", now the steering is rocksolid at 70 on the freeway, sometimes good things happen !!

JIMBO
02-18-2010 11:08 AM
RaiderRUBICON
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Originally Posted by Tpr5318 View Post
And my nightmare continues...lol. I really hope I don't end up regretting buying all this stuff. LOL. I don't want to open up a bottomless can of worms.

I have the Perf. Dual Stabilizer sitting in a box in my garage. Your opinion is not to use it?

What would you recommend to help with steering ect....
You'll be fine,you just need to find someone(with experience) who knows how to build a jeep. Take your time. Did you read all those posts!! there is a lot, to building a jeep.There have got to be a ton of guys in New York,that can get the job done. Just keep talking to people,find a local jeep club.

Your experience with your jeep is reminding me of my experience with a classic car that I purchased.(it was'nt fun anymore) Don't get down,you'll get it right eventually.
02-18-2010 11:07 AM
Tpr5318 Yes I haven't mentioned any steering problems....but that is because my Jeep is still stock. Everything I listed is sitting in boxes in my garage. I bought the steering stabilizer because I THOUGHT it would be necessary or atleast recommended once I actually lift 3.25" and add 35s.

I am planning to Lift, add 35s. bumpers ect this coming monday (fingers crossed). I could simply not put on the steering stabilizer and send it back?
02-18-2010 11:06 AM
USAntigoon He has to do a good research on caster and toe settings and their effects on the scrub radius and pneumatic trail..
As a starter keep the caster to the min of the spec..3.7 degr. TOE aim for zero or slight toe in.. These bigger tires will give you enough grooving feel.
Get a proper alignment done after install.. Let them adjust the control arms to dial in the caster.. Then you have an immediate alignment recheck..With this kind of lift, check your pinion angles as well. Hope the kit comes with adjustable control arms and adjustable track bar ...Might look into the steering bump issue as well and be sure the track bar runs parallel with the drag-link (the centerlines from joint to joint) might have to install some braces..

Last but not least have your new tires road force balanced..and be sure the track bar is properly clamped (right torque etc..)
Do some searches here .. lots of info in several threads on this issue and DW as well..
02-18-2010 11:03 AM
Hilldweller Right.
You might not need anything but the stock stabilizer. But the Nth Degree set-up will certainly make it work better...
02-18-2010 10:59 AM
JIMBOX Well, since your's is a 2dr, HD probably has more info on your steering, but

You've never mentioned any steering probs, if the roof don't leak--don't fix it

The steering stab is just a shock absorber, to DAMPEN any vibrations or excess play you MAY have in your steering-are you having steering probs, if so, your prob is more than the steering stab------

JIMBO
02-18-2010 10:57 AM
Hilldweller
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Originally Posted by Tpr5318 View Post
What would you recommend to help with steering ect....
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02-18-2010 10:49 AM
Tpr5318
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Originally Posted by JIMBOX View Post
OOPS, I forgot to add, the dual stabilizer is NOT GOOD for any light duty vehicle, (steering/tierod/pullys/joints)-overload

It puts TOO MUCH of a load for ALL YOUR NORMAL steering and your steering pump has too work OVERTIME-ALL THE TIME

OK, for the 3/4--1-ton trucks--NOT JEEPS

Not that it won't work-for a while, then probably the "Death Wobble"

Like most jeep mods-just be ready for surprises !!

JIMBO
And my nightmare continues...lol. I really hope I don't end up regretting buying all this stuff. LOL. I don't want to open up a bottomless can of worms.

I have the Perf. Dual Stabilizer sitting in a box in my garage. Your opinion is not to use it?

What would you recommend to help with steering ect....
02-18-2010 10:39 AM
Hilldweller I agree; the dual stabilizer is too much of a good thing. If you have that much rebound to dampen, there has to be something terribly terribly wrong...
02-18-2010 10:21 AM
JIMBOX OOPS, I forgot to add, the dual stabilizer is NOT GOOD for any light duty vehicle, (steering/tierod/pullys/joints)-overload

It puts TOO MUCH of a load for ALL YOUR NORMAL steering and your steering pump has too work OVERTIME-ALL THE TIME

OK, for the 3/4--1-ton trucks--NOT JEEPS

Not that it won't work-for a while, then probably the "Death Wobble"

Like most jeep mods-just be ready for surprises !!

JIMBO
02-18-2010 10:11 AM
Tpr5318 Wow. Thanks alot for all the info. I really appreciate it. You guys are awesome.

I expected the lift to add some changes and issues with the steering, alignment ect. I purchased the dual stablilizer from rough country that will hopefully help with some of this. I am not nieve tho.....I know that this is going to be a completely different vehicle once it's put together.

Thanks again everyone. You have all really helped
02-18-2010 08:37 AM
JIMBOX These guys are giving you really good data, but

Nobody has mentioned your 3 1/4" lift, for a daily driver

Your U-joints/shifting/alignment/steering are all going to be affected, some a lot. some a little, but be advised that you're in for a long heavy maintenance program, which is normal-if you expect it

Good luck-you're in the JEEP world

JIMBO
02-18-2010 08:25 AM
USAntigoon First of all ..whatever you do it will cost you some $$.. The end result should be one you like .. Indeed there are Jeepers who have a 3.21 and are running 35" tires with a manual tranny..Will it work YES..will you do damage.. NO.. will you be satisfied as a Jeeper..NO

To do it right you have the choice to go to 4.10 or 4.88.. A 4.10 is a min to go for..All depends what kind of off roading you plan on doing..
If mileage is no issue.. go with the 4.88
Following most of these threads I noticed that NO one complained about a "over gearing" condition..A lot are saying, I wish I went up a notch.. So my choice is the 4.88...(I have a 3.21 as well and once I decide on re-gearing I will go for the 4.88..
Another word of caution.. Don't try to do this yourself..This is more then just replacing some gears..You need to measure some key dimensions in order to select the right shims assuring a proper gear bearing pattern otherwise you will have premature wear and noise. Also you need to have the right tools and knowledge to do this job the right way..Therefore, find a good and reliable re-gearing shop.. I understand this will not be cheap.. But we love Jeeping so the $$ "shock" is part of the "no pain, no gain" equation..

Good Luck...

You also might look into this chart

02-18-2010 07:07 AM
Hilldweller I'd still take the opportunity to get a new front axle if you're set on the idea of 35's.

I'll pm Antigoon and have him chime in for you; he's a retired driveline engineer and is the authority on this stuff around here. The rest of us are amateurs...
02-17-2010 10:21 PM
CruserBruiser
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Originally Posted by Tpr5318 View Post
What was you're stock gearing? 3.21 or the upgraded 3.73? I may give him a call for some advice, thanks for the tip!....being from New York State and Northridge Auto being in the state of Washington, idk that I can use them to actually regear it tho lol.

Anyone know if running 35s on the stock 3.21 actually causes damage to the vehicle?

I'm still interested to know if most of you guys out there regeared your jeeps yourselves or had it done professionally? Those done professionally. I am interested to hear what you paid so I know if the quotes I get are good or not
mine is 3.73 auto and running 35's with 3.21 gears is not going to hurt anything, you would need to be careful when you go off road but daily driving isn't going to hurt.
02-17-2010 09:54 PM
Tpr5318
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Originally Posted by CruserBruiser View Post
Superchips is great idea, I run 35's with stock gearing but I have the superchips tuner and it really picks up the slack. As for the gearing issues call Dave at Northridge 4x4 (360) 340-0282 and they can answer all your gearing questions.

What was you're stock gearing? 3.21 or the upgraded 3.73? I may give him a call for some advice, thanks for the tip!....being from New York State and Northridge Auto being in the state of Washington, idk that I can use them to actually regear it tho lol.

Anyone know if running 35s on the stock 3.21 actually causes damage to the vehicle?

I'm still interested to know if most of you guys out there regeared your jeeps yourselves or had it done professionally? Those done professionally. I am interested to hear what you paid so I know if the quotes I get are good or not
02-17-2010 09:39 PM
CruserBruiser
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Originally Posted by Tpr5318 View Post
Thanks for the input. I will go that route. Run the 35s with factory gearing until I can upgrade to 4.88. I may do the superchip as well. I'll have myself a decent machine and about 5k less in my wallet lol
Superchips is great idea, I run 35's with stock gearing but I have the superchips tuner and it really picks up the slack. As for the gearing issues call Dave at Northridge 4x4 (360) 340-0282 and they can answer all your gearing questions.
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