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03-01-2007 07:13 AM
erickpl Extending the vent tubes should be as easy as finding some tubing from a place like HD or an auto part store that fits the vent holes, using a clamp to attach it, then run it up someplace higher.

Your idea on the grease sounds correct. You should be able to do it on the electrical connectors, but don't be sloppy about it.

I know there is a writeup on sealing up the connectors and making them handle water better, but for the life of me can't find it.
02-28-2007 05:05 PM
activelydying how do you extend the vent tubes from the transmissons and t-case. as far as the dilectric grease, can i just pop open the connectors and smear some in. can i do this on all the connectors?
02-28-2007 07:26 AM
erickpl I'm assuming that since your jeep was wet for 3.5 hours in that pond that it was not running the entire time. Chances are you have water into your catalytic. They don't like water, just like any other cat. The materials inside tend to break down/fall apart once exposed to water like that. If your cat starts rattling and/or you throw an emissions code, chances are you'll be replacing the cat.

You may also want to consider extending your breather/vent tubes from your transmissions and t-case if you can - preferably up into the engine area by the firewall. That will help prevent water from getting in there in the future.

You may also want to consider securing some of your electronics to better resist water by sealing up the connections where possible after applying dilectric grease to keep water away.

Jeeps can handle water, but you really want to be prepared for it. Even on the trail, if you have no intention of going through deep water or mud, you can come up on a hole that you really don't have a choice to avoid. A friend of mine went through this:



and did just fine as she didn't stop the engine. But her vent lines were too short and fluid needed to be changed. Everything is fine - but dirty.
02-27-2007 06:19 PM
Triple88a Mike - "They are in front of us, behind us, and we are flanked on both sides by an enemy that outnumbers us 29:1. They can’t get away from us now!"

That reminds me of a comercial of bank 1. Everything is so spooky and all that and a guy goes .. "they are everywhere" lol and then the camera switches to a bank 1 ATM
02-26-2007 02:34 PM
Mike001 Has anyone evermanaged to get thick muddy water through the vent on top of your hood near the window, and the turned your air on and had thick sludge drain through the fan above the passenger floorboard? I think I might have to replace it casue it don't even work now and the mud I was in was only halfway up my tires.
02-20-2007 03:41 PM
skeeter
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Originally Posted by jeeperman View Post
And clutches will fail completely if water is sucked into the vent (stepping on the pedal when in deep water). I have towed several Jeeps off the trail after they got stuck in deep water and instictively stepped on the clutch pedal.
Fail as in come apart/destroy themselves? or fail as in slip till they dry out some?
02-20-2007 10:45 AM
mrbigjeep well i know now for sure that i will never go in deep water again...not unless there is a ton of room for someone to winch me out and there is a very easy exit out of the creek.

i went down in a creek yesterday and couldn't make it back up the entrance...never again...there was another easy entrance but a pipe that goes across the creek blocked the way so never again will i do that unless i am positive that there is an easy way that i can make. ooooh, i hate water right now...it was fun riding in the creek until that happened.
02-20-2007 09:05 AM
jeeperman
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Originally Posted by bigjeep View Post
well all i know is a moderator on another forum said that after he went through "hummer hole" (big water pit) his jeep makes all kind of noises.
A lot of this can be attributed to getting dirt in your suspension bushings, usually polyurethane will squeak when you fill it with dirt.

And clutches will fail completely if water is sucked into the vent (stepping on the pedal when in deep water). I have towed several Jeeps off the trail after they got stuck in deep water and instictively stepped on the clutch pedal.
02-20-2007 07:55 AM
mrbigjeep
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Originally Posted by skeeter View Post
Water won't hurt the clutch, if you let it slip alot you might burn it a bit but that's a function of your driving.
You shouldn't get water in your tranny if it's sealed properly but even if you do it won't do immediate damage, if you find signs of water contamination then change your fluids.
I don't understand what you mean by "makes your Jeeps have all kinds of noises"? what noises will water cause?
Yes, water can hydrolock an engine, most of the time the engine will stall before you do any real damage unless you completely submerge your air intake. Somewhere around here I've got a picture of my old Jeep Gladiator swamped halfway up the seats in a pond, complete hydrolock, I spent about an hour working on it but finally got it running and drove out, That was about the 5th time I'd done it without damage.
Man I wish I could find that picture, I loved that old truck.
well all i know is a moderator on another forum said that after he went through "hummer hole" (big water pit) his jeep makes all kind of noises.
02-17-2007 02:08 AM
skeeter
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Originally Posted by bigjeep View Post
well it can really screw the clutch and tranny up...it can completely kill the tranny and the clutch can slip...plus it makes your jeeps have all kinds of noises and it can hydrolock the motor in puddles that aren't even that deep.
Water won't hurt the clutch, if you let it slip alot you might burn it a bit but that's a function of your driving.
You shouldn't get water in your tranny if it's sealed properly but even if you do it won't do immediate damage, if you find signs of water contamination then change your fluids.
I don't understand what you mean by "makes your Jeeps have all kinds of noises"? what noises will water cause?
Yes, water can hydrolock an engine, most of the time the engine will stall before you do any real damage unless you completely submerge your air intake. Somewhere around here I've got a picture of my old Jeep Gladiator swamped halfway up the seats in a pond, complete hydrolock, I spent about an hour working on it but finally got it running and drove out, That was about the 5th time I'd done it without damage.
Man I wish I could find that picture, I loved that old truck.
02-16-2007 07:36 PM
cyberpigue I say there ain't no black and white. Common sense goes a long way when maintaining any vehicle.

I had an old Bronco that was pretty well worn out when I got it. I wanted to use it for rougher riding than my nicer 4x4s so I didn't have to worry about hurting it. The first thing I did was replace all of the seals that even pretended to leak oil. If oil gets out, water can get in. Most seals are designed to do a better job of keeping contaminates out than oil in, so if they're leaking oil they still may keep water out. I replaced the seals so I wouldn't have to worry about changing fluids after water events. One seal change is cheaper than a bunch of fluid changes - and eaiser in the long run.

Generally, the amount of *time* you spend under water and how dirty the water is has the biggest impact on damage. Oil and air are lighter than water and try to get out and up when an axle or tranny or engine is submerged - first the air bubbles out, then the oil. If what replaces the air and oil is dirty water you'll have grit causing abraision damage between any two moving surfaces. Water itself ruins bearing surfaces even if it's clean. Same problem with your altenator. The best remedy if water enters lubricated parts is to replace the lubrication. Just draining and refilling may not be enough. For example, if you have water in your diff and drian the old fluid, water may still be hiding in the bearings at the shafts or pinion. Better clean it all out with something under pressure such as carb cleaner or WD-40, then dry completed with air. Now refill with fresh fluid.

For electrical stuff, water is a conductor. If water was in those components while they were on, you may have damage from shorting. Long term it may cause rust and corroding and leave behind minerals that will do damage long term. Once again, you need to clean it under pressure and dry completely. Try not to turn anything on unless you really need to until you get it cleaned up.

As for whether to get 'em dirty or not... my new Wrangler has less than 1000 miles on it and has already been deep in the mud. I bought it for 4-wheeling. Even though it is new, it is not my daily driver, and I only live 2 miles from work, so if I break it I can still get to work. I get not trashing your Jeep if it is all you have. I also get that any machine used hard, but properly maintained usually lasts longer than one babied and not maintained. It's generally not how you use them, it's how you care for them.

That's my twenty cents...

Good luck!
02-16-2007 06:31 PM
mrbigjeep
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Originally Posted by skeeter View Post
Like what?

well it can really screw the clutch and tranny up...it can completely kill the tranny and the clutch can slip...plus it makes your jeeps have all kinds of noises and it can hydrolock the motor in puddles that aren't even that deep.
02-16-2007 05:51 PM
1BLKJP
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Originally Posted by activelydying View Post
just curious on how water gets in the fluid anyway?
It gets in the Tranny and Diff's thru the vent tubes.
02-16-2007 05:48 PM
activelydying just curious on how water gets in the fluid anyway?
02-16-2007 11:04 AM
skeeter
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Originally Posted by mud707 View Post
I follow 2 rules, 1st if its above 3 ft deep change your fluids unless it's a really short hole 5-10 ft long. ***snip***
This is what bugs me in these threads, I really don't understand this change the fluids every time idea? are you getting water in your fluids every time? it's really not difficult to identify water contamination in oils so if you aren't getting contamination, why waste the money and time. If you are, why aren't you fixing the leak?
I'm serious, I'm not trying to make light of this, I'm genuinely confused.
02-16-2007 09:47 AM
GoodLife Don't forget about the electrical parts. It is good to turn on all electronics, lights, radio, etc. Leave them on long enough to heat up and evaporate any water. It is a boaters trick to keep condensation and leaks from building up water and shorting things out.
02-16-2007 09:38 AM
mud707 If you take care off your jeep mud won't be a problem and their it can be a great thrill. I follow 2 rules, 1st if its above 3 ft deep change your fluids unless it's a really short hole 5-10 ft long. 2nd is try not to go through anything over your hood unless necessary, chances are you'll suck water through your intake which is the biggest danger you have.
Following these 2 rules I have only had two problems and that was mud in my altenator preventing it from charging and mud in radiator causing to over heat. Solved both by removing altenator taking back cover off it and spraying it out at a car wash while washing mud off my jeep and out of radiator.
Now on the plus there isn't anything more exciting than going through a nice 3-4ft deep long hole and straight up a 80 degree 10ft bank. I've done plenty of rocks also but nothing shows what a jeep can do like mud in my book.
02-16-2007 09:13 AM
skeeter Like what?

We get dumped on for months at a time, today is the first day in about 2 months that we didn't have a 4inch deep puddle in our driveway. We have ruts in the roads around here that fill with water when it rains and driving through em is more fun than riding the log ride at Disney land, and just as wet.
If that weren't enough, we have pot holes here that fill with water right up to the edge so you can't tell it's there, eventually a rice grinder will come along and fall in then we have to call in the divers to find em and hook up the tow cable so a Jeep can pull em out.
Trust me, we get wet, I have moss growing inside my Jeep, I think I have frogs in glove box but I'm afraid to open it and check.
Water doesn't hurt Jeeps
02-16-2007 08:02 AM
mrbigjeep
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Originally Posted by upinar View Post
U have a jeep! use it.
i use it. just not in the mud.

besides, i think water messes other stuff up besides just your fluids
02-16-2007 07:09 AM
GoodLife I agree with upiner. There are not rocks to crawl around here but there sure is a lot of mud. I take my jeep swimming every chance I get. My jeep and I love the mud! And so do the wife and kids for that matter.
02-16-2007 05:22 AM
jp'rs_peep'rs upinar: Quote"jeeps are high maintnance vehicles when abused regularly no matter what terrain."

hehehe

Thats a good one....No matter what the equipment. Abuse is the exact oppsite of use!

C.
02-16-2007 02:39 AM
upinar why is everybody so scared of mud and water? U have a jeep! use it. Down here in south florida thats all there is here and i love it. jeeps are high maintnance vehicles when abused regularly no matter what terrain. dont be scared to go through a mudhole cause ur to lazy to change out some fluids.
02-16-2007 01:49 AM
1BLKJP
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Originally Posted by skeeter View Post
Good greif, do you folks hide your Jeeps in the garage under tarps when it rains?
Pretty much. We get less than 10" of rain a year here in PHX. So when it rains it pretty much pisses our jeeps off because that means mud and that means cleaning up mud.
02-16-2007 12:06 AM
Moab Man
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Originally Posted by skeeter View Post
Jeeps are not made of sugar, they don't melt when wet
Mine does! That is why I rockcrawl in the desert of Moab.
02-15-2007 11:50 PM
skeeter Good greif, do you folks hide your Jeeps in the garage under tarps when it rains?

If you've got milky fluids, change it, if not, don't, BTW water in tranny, diffs, or even engine oil will not make the motor run poorly, you got water in the gas or in your electronics.
Water in the gas is taken care of by a bottle of gas dry as you've already done.
Water in the electronics you can just wait till it dries or you can go through pulling plugs and caps, if you find dampness, use a little WD-40 and seal the connection when you put it back together so it doesn't happen again.
Jeeps are not made of sugar, they don't melt when wet
02-15-2007 09:47 PM
mrbigjeep staying out of the mud and water IS my advice. and its the best advice that can be given JK
02-15-2007 03:22 PM
Moab Man I too hate mud and water but agree that if you're not going to help then leave it alone.

As for how much damage. The critical one is to get the auto tranny changed immediately. Everything else is pretty tolerant, although you still need to change it asap, but the auto trans is critical.

If you have a manual trans it is tolerant like the rest and should just be done asap.

It can and will take quite a while to get it completely dried out.
02-15-2007 12:15 PM
Mike001 Like they said change your fluids you don't want to drive it around with water in the fluids also check your spark plugs, they could be fouled. If there is water in the gas it will clog the fuel filter so pull that and blow it out if there is water in it I would suggest replacing that as well.
02-15-2007 11:16 AM
compshooter Pull the covers (Have catch pan underneath), clean cover and diff surfaces, wipe out inside of diff, RTV cover and put back on. Fill with 75w-90 through the hole in the middle of the cover until fluid reaches bottom of hole.
02-15-2007 10:39 AM
activelydying changed the oil and tranny fluid, also put some dry gas in the tank. runs much much better. i have never changed the diff fluids before. is that an easy one also?
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