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07-20-2011 10:59 PM
Rawkon havnt flipped the jeep but i did run over a kia spectra and it haulted my build. bent the front axle and tweaked the suspension and steering. it should be back up and runnign any day. the cage is def on the list to beef up, most likley the next thing i do. aside from take it on a few easy trips. people grab the bar, use the straps to hold on too or just rest there arms on there lap. when your hours into a high speed run you use everything you can eventually. Im bumped and strapped at 10inches of travel front and rear. Rubicon express 3.5 coils, fox shocks and bilstein bump stops, using kartek straps that limit the down trvel right before the d shaft and lower control arms make metal contact.
06-21-2011 02:58 AM
TheDoc Rawkon,

Did you ever get to strengthen the cage before you flipped, cant see the vid. I see your purpose and it fits it, only other suggestion is wrist restraints attached to harness .
Like its been said b4 you need thick skin to mod a jeep , not everybody likes it and are quick witted.lol

Tiny was feroucious with her halt and desist attitude hey.....

What sort of travel do you have on the suspension or lift to enjoy jumpin with out crunchin?
06-10-2011 09:46 PM
Red00Tj the air bag would have no affect on somone who is harnessed in anyways i say 2 thumbs up for doing work to your rig looks like your rig is pretty much a desert rig anyways
06-09-2011 07:38 AM
erickpl Adjustable sounds promising, but as I mentioned, I'm nowhere near configured for that since my TJ is a DD. I have a friend that could weld it all up. I could see him putting some kind of shock absorber in there. lol
06-09-2011 12:16 AM
Rawkon you can always make it adjustable if needed. and removable for that matter if air bag deployent is an issue for you. we just had the tig welder on and a bunch of extra metal laying around.
06-08-2011 01:48 PM
erickpl Gotcha. So it really depends on the person and your seating configuration...

Makes sense!

Thanks!
06-08-2011 10:59 AM
Rawkon literally had my navigator sit in and take a measurement. 5 points are a pain to setup but the comfort and abuse the seats take is awesome. when i do long range high speed runs i have the same guy fly in from portland and run with me everytime. but you can do a generic measurement with an adult and be pretty close for most people.
the jeep isnt a daily driver and is usually towed to the trail.
06-07-2011 01:14 PM
erickpl Rawkon,

Just a design question: How did you determine the distance out from the dash on that bar? I like the look and idea if I were to go to a 5 point system (my Jeep isn't ready for it yet), but wondered just how far/close to the dash would be optimal.
06-07-2011 10:09 AM
Rawkon that it is. and always is.
06-06-2011 04:42 PM
El Gringo
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Originally Posted by ccain View Post
I don't know what all this freakin' "Air Bag" talk is all about.

Damn, obviously NONE of the folks who posted in disagreement to the t-handle are old enough to remember standing... Yes, I said STANDING in Granddad's station wagon, holding onto the dash while doing 60 down a heavily traveled rural road.
You guys all act like airbags are the end all cure for injuries during a crash. How come I've dug dead guys off of airbags along the road back when I was running with EMS? How come most folks that come into the ER after an airbag deployment have burns and broken thumbs? Airbags only work if you're properly restrained. No airbag in the world will keep you from getting ejected. Since Rawkon has a heavier than factory restraint system, you shouldn't give him any $hit over it. Most of you wheel with Chrysler's piss poor excuse for seatbelts and no one calls you out over it or offers better than thou comments. Give him a break!

Looks good man. I'd probably crack myself in the nuts if I climbed into your rig as clumsy as I am!
I have never "dug" any "dead guys off of airbags" before. I have really only seen airbags help people. I have only seen 1 injury from an airbag. In a late model chrysler minivan there was an airbag under the dash (?) and when the airbag blew the lower cover off of the dash it hit this lady's leg and she had a minor injury from it. And it was a pretty major collision, but the airbags do their job, especially if you WEAR YOUR F'N SEATBELT! Other than that, they are not designed to keep you from being ejected. They are designed to keep your chest from slamming into the steering wheel/dash/windshield and causing an aortic rupture, pneumothorax, hemothorax, hemo-pneumo-thorax, sudden cardiac arrest, pericradial contusion, pericardial tampanade(...) and so on and so forth.
Now this "suicide bar" would be an acceptable modification in this vehicle, provided the harness and seat were securely attached and being used properly.
06-06-2011 12:07 AM
KRawson Haha, yea, after the regear I cruise, I was never much of a speeder on the freeway anyway. Its pretty comfortable at 65-70, but mine is a 5sp.
06-05-2011 04:26 PM
Rawkon yea the jeep should be really fast up to 65mph hahaha i have the 3 speed auto.....but thats basically what im looking for with my jeep speed habit
06-05-2011 01:29 PM
KRawson Nice, that's a good setup.
I just got 4.56's in mine too.
06-05-2011 01:01 PM
Rawkon yup high pinion 30, 4.56s steve is also finishing my 8.8 and putting 4.56s too.
06-05-2011 11:53 AM
KRawson Sweet video Kevin. Btw how's the jeep? Did you find a new axle yet?
06-05-2011 11:43 AM
Rawkon just a follow up, crashed the jeep and toteled 2 cars. jeep is fine and my brother didnt get stabbed by the oh crap bar... he was in his five points and didnt move....

some BIG hits in this video and you can see your not that close to the bar
YouTube - ‪joshua 2011.wmv‬‏
02-22-2010 08:22 PM
rrich Some thoughts:
Agreed that arms can fling about.
Agreed that airbags do SOME good.
But the reason 5 and 6 point harnesses exist - in a crash, a 4 point's shoulder straps will pull up on the lap belt into the soft part of your gut. Stomach, spleen, etc get ruptured.
The 5th belt - the submarine belt, keep the lap belt around your hips - hips can take much more than your gut.
Shoulder belts that attach to the floor will pull your spine down in a crash. That's why the bar.
DOT did not approve 5 points in favor of a system that is easy to use - would you bother to hook up the shoulder harnesses and sub belt just to run to the store? They knew you wouldn't, so what good is it if you sit on it? Something is better than nothing.

To provide a place for hands - motorcycles have a strap across the seat. Why not something similar? A bar mounted to the floor in front of the seat and slightly lower. It gives a place for hands and is out of the way of an airbag?
02-22-2010 09:47 AM
emills
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Originally Posted by Rawkon View Post
I told you id rock them

Love the grips man!!
02-21-2010 09:32 PM
baja
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Originally Posted by Rawkon View Post
I told you id rock them

No you didn't!
02-21-2010 10:26 AM
jerryj
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Originally Posted by jpdocdave View Post
i just now read through this thread, i'd give credit to the air bag talk if either of those designs that are posted above still had the air bag working. rawkon said its inop and thats good, jerryj i hope yours is disabled also. if you have a working air bag with one of those that could cause some serious problems if deployed.

oh yeah, personally i think its ugly as sin and its too long and creates more leverage than those stock mounting points were designed to handle, just my theory. they had a short plastic handle attached originally, not a metal tubular bar that leverages a foot away from the mounting point.
Its been removed theres lots o room back there for more wiring and a sub pannal.I pre run races in my jeep and will be racing it next year. no their not for every one.The stock handle was ripped almost off by my 250lb friend that was trying to hang on after about 50 miles of rough stuff.The cage bar is too uncomfy over time,function before flow,although the barbie grips do make it really pop.
02-21-2010 12:44 AM
Rawkon hahahahahahahhaaha thats awseome
02-20-2010 11:18 PM
ryt2112
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Originally Posted by Rawkon View Post
even if the bag deployed it would have zero effect with someone who was feet away harnessed in. it would prolly just scare the crap out of you. I dont think chrysler designed or tested my jeep for this

or this
If I were you, I would be more worried about that rock that is about to eat your Jeep!

02-20-2010 09:49 PM
Vanimal00000 I like it, I like the seats too. I'd ride along, but then again, I also jump out of a perfectly fine airplane.
02-20-2010 09:21 PM
Rawkon there not used to do pull ups on..... just to put your hands on them while wheeling. its much safer then having someone having there hands flying around or using a roll cage hand grip to hold too in case of a roll over or flop.
02-20-2010 08:30 PM
jpdocdave i just now read through this thread, i'd give credit to the air bag talk if either of those designs that are posted above still had the air bag working. rawkon said its inop and thats good, jerryj i hope yours is disabled also. if you have a working air bag with one of those that could cause some serious problems if deployed.

oh yeah, personally i think its ugly as sin and its too long and creates more leverage than those stock mounting points were designed to handle, just my theory. they had a short plastic handle attached originally, not a metal tubular bar that leverages a foot away from the mounting point.
02-20-2010 08:21 PM
Rawkon I told you id rock them

02-19-2010 09:05 PM
Rawkon nice i like how you mounted yours on the cage. when i finish my cage mines gonna look very similar....
02-19-2010 07:40 PM
jerryj Hey There Rawkon Dont know how I missed this one,Looks good man I did some thing similar a while ago..GPS mounts on there too..
02-19-2010 06:50 PM
SPDNJOE Looks good Rawkon, I had the same set up in my caged ranger. works really good too from what the passengers said.
02-16-2010 11:51 PM
Rawkon baja funny you say that a friend said hes gonna get me barbie grips with tassels. i told them id rock them if he bought em.

Ray, the main tube and handle are 1" .120 wall mild steal no way can that be bent by hand, the gussets were added to keep it from tearing from the flat bar. its longer then the stock handle because of my harnessed seats. you cant come close to touching the stock dash when your buckled up. well unless your a knuckle dragger..... I really wanted to make it adjustable but didnt have access to a drill press that day. it cost me about 12 bucks to make and we got to play with a tig.
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