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01-15-2014 08:42 PM
bbili
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Originally Posted by NFRs2000NYC View Post
So Im on my second JKU, both with hardtops only. First one had 23K before I gave it up and I have never had a leak. From my time on forums, I have seen that most people have leaks due to seal issues. Well, here are two things to can do (one is cheap, the other is free) so it behooves you to do them. 1) Keep your seals healthy and greasy. I write about the product I recommend here. It is Honda Shin-Etsu grease. Will keep your rubber plump, pliable, and protected, letting it do it's job. http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/sco...ad-357785.html 2) MAKE SURE YOUR SEALS ARE NOT PINCHED. Here is what Im talking about. After installing the SPOD, I noticed I pinched the seal. If I had left it like this, Im certain the top would have leaked in moderate rain. This is what is SHOULD look like... (ignore the white stuff, it's just excess grease) This is what it looks like if you pinch it. If you see the seal pinched, undo the DRIVERS SIDE panel, lift it straight up (while sitting in the driver's seat) and put it back down. When you install the panels (passenger side first obviously) put it into position anyway you like then sit in the proper seat (passenger seat for passenger panel, etc) lift panel straight up then carefully lower it straight down, so it butts up against the seals STRAIGHT. Do NOT slide the panel into position, this will move the seal with it, and possibly leak. When both panels are properly in position, go ahead and tighten down all the latches. My method is visors, rear corners, front center, rear center. Go back up on top of the jeep and check seals, and make sure they are not pinched. If all good, tighten down the screw things. Go back up top, check seals again. If all good, take the palm of your hand, and run it from the main hardtop body to the freedom panels ( do one at a time). If the panel is slightly ABOVE the main top, tighten the screws a bit more. If the panel is sunken in BELOW the main top, you overtightened...go inside and back off the screw a bit...recheck until flush or as close to flush as possible. Thats all she wrote folks.
Thanks for the info!! ... Been looking for something like this.
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01-10-2014 05:02 PM
Mack207 Welp, parked in a level parking space today, and of course it started leaking again. Even with the honda grease, it's still leaking at the passenger A pillar and at the bottom of the doors. I have to go in for the tranny line TSB, so I'm going to try to get them to replace all the seals on the hardtop and doors.


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12-10-2013 02:21 PM
rirrgang
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Originally Posted by Old Dogger View Post
Thanks Dave, great Info!
I use Vaseline on mine, it helps to seal, and keep the rubber ply able.
I'm in Phoenix and the sun really dry's them out!
Don't use Vaseline. It's a petroleum product and will eat your seals over time. Use a good silicon grease since most seal are made of synthetic materials.
12-10-2013 01:05 PM
Mack207
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Originally Posted by Jamie lee View Post
I agree, it's definitely the door seal above the window. However, my leak is not consistent. It rained heavy again and it didn't leak. I will monitor it for a few weeks to see if i should bring it in.
Mine only leaks when the front is higher than the back. If I back in to my parking spot, no leaks.


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12-10-2013 10:53 AM
Jamie lee I agree, it's definitely the door seal above the window. However, my leak is not consistent. It rained heavy again and it didn't leak. I will monitor it for a few weeks to see if i should bring it in.
12-09-2013 07:52 AM
Mack207 Noticed another leak at the bottom of the front passenger door. The gasket on the door has a weep hole at the exact location as the leak. I may try to seal the hole. I'll post pics as well, if it ever quits raining. Hardtop hasn't leaked since I cleaned the seals again. Will be applying some of the Honda grease of insurance.


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12-07-2013 10:02 AM
tab22092
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Originally Posted by NFRs2000NYC View Post
Oh, my thing is for the hardtop. I don't own a softtop so I can't really offer any help in terms of leakage. Usually softtop seals not only have to be greased up, but also the top has to be properly tensioned. Unfortunately, I have no idea how to add tension to a wrangler soft-top.
Well the top seems good to go, its just the door seals as far as i can tell. And the thing i noticed is that one of those little "tabs" that are on the seals is missing in the drivers side. The little black ball looking things.
12-07-2013 09:48 AM
NFRs2000NYC
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Originally Posted by tab22092 View Post
Thanks for the step by step dave. Just want to give you the whole story i have a soft top so no freedom panels. The leak is coming from my a pillar. Looks like my door seals are compromised somehow. I did notice something on my door seals and will post a pic of it later.
Oh, my thing is for the hardtop. I don't own a softtop so I can't really offer any help in terms of leakage. Usually softtop seals not only have to be greased up, but also the top has to be properly tensioned. Unfortunately, I have no idea how to add tension to a wrangler soft-top.
12-07-2013 08:07 AM
tab22092 Thanks for the step by step dave. Just want to give you the whole story i have a soft top so no freedom panels. The leak is coming from my a pillar. Looks like my door seals are compromised somehow. I did notice something on my door seals and will post a pic of it later.
12-06-2013 10:45 PM
NFRs2000NYC BTW, it's been pouring on the jeep for 2 days now, not a single drop. Either my solution keeps the top seals in optimal working order, or Im the luckiest jeep owner ever, having two JKs without a single drop of water ever coming in. Just figured I'd post an update.
12-06-2013 10:44 PM
NFRs2000NYC
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Originally Posted by nvkid View Post
I applied ArmorAll to all the seals and now it sounds like a bunch of mice squeaking.
Armorall is not grease. It wont work, and can actually dry out the seals.
12-06-2013 10:43 PM
NFRs2000NYC
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Originally Posted by tab22092 View Post
Will be ordering it shortly lol

Edit: could you do a step by step of how to apply this product? To wipe excess off or not? Etc?
Sure.

1) Remove freedom panels.
2) Take wrag or microfiber (clean), soak in warm water, wring out, and wipe all the seals down very well...if super dirty you might need to rinse and repeat until the seals are completely clean. Don't forget to clean the seals on the freedom panels themselves as well.
3)Let the seals dry (just leave the jeep parked in the sun for a few minutes, even in the winter (air is dry, so they will dry quickly.) Consume beer #1.

4) Put on nitrile glove on your dominant hand.
5) Place tube of grease in other hand.
6) Apply a bunch of grease in a line on your index finger about an inch long.
7) Stand on your rockrails/sidesteps, and start from the middle point out towards the doors...first the windshield seal then the rear seal.
8) Put grease down at the center point then drag back towards you.
9) Spread the grease evenly and LIBERALLY, get it in all the crevices. Its ok if you have excess, no need to have globs, but visible white grease is fine.
10) Grease absolutely all seals that are part of the sealing system, including the seals on the freedom panels themselves.

11) When you put the freedom panels back on, try and do it as vertically as possible so that the seal seats correctly. Put the seal over the doors and put it down on the roof, then, hop inside the front of the jeep so that you can raise the panel over your head, and lower it down as vertically as possible. Keep side to side motions to a minimum...you don't want the seals to "bend in." After you put both panels back, check to make sure the seals aren't pinched, and begin latching....check again the seals aren't pinched. After that, begin tightening the screws...check seals are not pinched...if they are, remove screws, unlatch top, and start again...latch, screws, etc. To check the tightness, take a credit card, and stand it up on its edge...2/3rds of it on the main portion of the hardtop, and 1/3rd touching the freedom panels. If its doesn't touch the freedom panels, you overtightened, if you see light/space near the center of the CC (its crooked)...you didn't tighten it enough. Once the freedom panels and the main top are 100% level, you are good to go.
12-06-2013 09:22 PM
nvkid I applied ArmorAll to all the seals and now it sounds like a bunch of mice squeaking.
12-06-2013 08:01 PM
tab22092
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Originally Posted by NFRs2000NYC View Post
Dude, just try my solution. If it doesn't work, then you have other issues.
Will be ordering it shortly lol

Edit: could you do a step by step of how to apply this product? To wipe excess off or not? Etc?
12-06-2013 07:23 PM
NFRs2000NYC
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Originally Posted by tab22092 View Post
Well, just tried it out. And idk if its bc its cold and couldnt settle in but it made it worse. Took a paper towel too it with some soapy water to get it off. Might be trying the grease next.
Dude, just try my solution. If it doesn't work, then you have other issues.
12-06-2013 05:25 PM
tab22092 Well, just tried it out. And idk if its bc its cold and couldnt settle in but it made it worse. Took a paper towel too it with some soapy water to get it off. Might be trying the grease next.
11-29-2013 07:22 PM
Kthulhu
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Originally Posted by tab22092 View Post
Well after going to honda and looking online i Picked up a bottle of this.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B004B8GTQG
Will try the grease of this dosent solve the problem but looking at the reviews looks promising. Something about putting "grease" on my seals just turns me off a little so its my last resort. Plus mein volks always make good stuff.
Ja, das stimmt!
11-29-2013 05:28 PM
tab22092 Well after going to honda and looking online i Picked up a bottle of this.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B004B8GTQG
Will try the grease of this dosent solve the problem but looking at the reviews looks promising. Something about putting "grease" on my seals just turns me off a little so its my last resort. Plus mein volks always make good stuff.
11-29-2013 05:13 PM
donmeca2020 this would make alot of sense, people not placing the panels on correctly and then pinching the seals, letting water in.

I recall hearing about the Shin etsu grease back when i owned my del sol a few years back, i was however very fortunate that my 96 never did leak, and it still had it's original seals on it.

i might just buy some of this grease for the hell of it.
11-29-2013 04:00 PM
tab22092 Just stopped at honda to pick some up. 89 bucks. I said no and said hello to amazon lol
11-27-2013 07:39 PM
Mack207
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Originally Posted by NFRs2000NYC View Post
Wait wait wait, you are hearing windnoise through the seals when the panels are in place, secured with the latches and the screws?!
Yep. A slight whistling sound. Been there since i bought it 4 months ago. No leaks in the area though. I rode shotgun adjusting the screws and no difference.
11-27-2013 07:22 PM
tab22092
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Originally Posted by NFRs2000NYC View Post
I believe that little flap should pinch downwards. I will double check in the morning (dark and raining out right now) and I'll snap a pic as well.
Cool, im gonna visit honda on friday and pick up some of the grease. Certainly cant hurt.
11-27-2013 07:12 PM
NFRs2000NYC
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Originally Posted by Mack207 View Post
I have the same problem as above, and a slight leak in the front where the panels meet, and i can hear air above the soundbar. Uninstalled and reinstalled per you directions several times and cleaned the seals. Nothing has changed. Even tightened the door latches. Guess i need to order some of your fancy grease lol.
Wait wait wait, you are hearing windnoise through the seals when the panels are in place, secured with the latches and the screws?!
11-27-2013 07:11 PM
NFRs2000NYC
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Originally Posted by tab22092 View Post
Dave,
What exactly is the correct direction? I am experiencing the same leak. Right down the drivers side a pillar and down onto the floor. Had it a few months ago and the dealer couldnt replicate it. Reared its ugly head again now. I have a soft top though. I really wanna solve it as weve been having nasty weather lately. Should i try the grease?
I believe that little flap should pinch downwards. I will double check in the morning (dark and raining out right now) and I'll snap a pic as well.
11-27-2013 06:53 PM
tab22092
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Originally Posted by NFRs2000NYC View Post
There is a little flap of rubber in that corner. Make sure that it's closing in the right direction when the door is closed.
Dave,
What exactly is the correct direction? I am experiencing the same leak. Right down the drivers side a pillar and down onto the floor. Had it a few months ago and the dealer couldnt replicate it. Reared its ugly head again now. I have a soft top though. I really wanna solve it as weve been having nasty weather lately. Should i try the grease?
11-27-2013 06:49 PM
Mack207 I have the same problem as above, and a slight leak in the front where the panels meet, and i can hear air above the soundbar. Uninstalled and reinstalled per you directions several times and cleaned the seals. Nothing has changed. Even tightened the door latches. Guess i need to order some of your fancy grease lol.
11-27-2013 06:39 PM
Jamie lee
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Originally Posted by NFRs2000NYC View Post
There is a little flap of rubber in that corner. Make sure that it's closing in the right direction when the door is closed.
thank you, I will check it tomorrow. Have a nice Thanksgiving
11-27-2013 05:15 PM
NFRs2000NYC
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Originally Posted by Jamie lee View Post
Had my JKRU X for 3 weeks.... Rained today and the top corner of the driver's side door leaked, right under top frame bracket. Really not happy :-/
There is a little flap of rubber in that corner. Make sure that it's closing in the right direction when the door is closed.
11-27-2013 05:12 PM
Jamie lee
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Originally Posted by beufort67 View Post
does anyone have a leak at the drivers door? it drips down on to the door panel right above the door handle and then drains down the side of the door and pools in the floor board....im not ruling out user install error...but damn there are only so many ways you can put it on!
Right there with ya
11-27-2013 05:09 PM
Jamie lee Had my JKRU X for 3 weeks.... Rained today and the top corner of the driver's side door leaked, right under top frame bracket. Really not happy :-/
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