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03-30-2010 02:32 PM
jk'n Welcome to the forum.

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Originally Posted by TRacer View Post

(1) Towing— how good are Wranglers for towing-- really? My teardrop trailer weighs about 800 lbs. loaded and is all wood (tongue & groove spruce; the trailer’s axle is from a 1917 Hupmobile Model N). Does the Tow Package on a Wrangler Sport (or Sahara) net you 3.73 gears in both F&R axles, or just the rear? I would probably want the posi rear.

I have a covered utility trailer that I take camping for extended stays. It weighs near the capacity of 3,000 lbs. On level ground it has no trouble maintaining highway speeds. In hilly terrain it maintains highway speed as long as the rpms is kept above 2500. Sometimes this requires 4th gear while on difficult elevations. My mileage is usually between 9 to 12 mpg when I am towing it. I have a kayak trailer that weighs 600 lbs, fully loaded. I don't even know that is back there. When I tow near the limit, I am happy that I own the standard.

(2) Crosswinds – are 4-door Wranglers tiring to drive in windy conditions (I have a family and dogs so I am focusing on a 4-door)

Crosswinds are a funny thing in a jeep. It is so smartly aerodynamically designed like a brick that under gusty conditions, it can be a bit tricky to drive. When my hood starts flapping because of the rubber band tie downs, I usually slow down and get over to the right because a really strong gust will blow you a half of a lane over if you are slow to react (or over react). I would call it twitchy in gusty conditions. It has taken me a Looooooooong time to get used to this and I must be conditioned to it as it doesn't seem to be as much of a problem as when I first got in one in Nov of 07.


(3) Which is the better transmission to get, in the long run? I’ve read of overheating problems with the automatics on one website, while some manuals have a tendency to jump out of gear. I know how to drive a stick well, and I would eventually be take the vehicle off road and participating in Jamborees and such.

I'm going to answer this under #4 below as well as a few comments separate here. On the trail, I prefer the standard because I feel that it gives me more control over various conditions. I look at it this way, when driving an automatic for any given rpm and load, a computer will decide what gear the transmission of the four available in the automatic. If under those conditions, the engine is bogging down, there is no second guessing the computer. In a standard, I get to decide what gear the transmission will be in and if I don't like the response (engine bogging) I can down shift. Now the only thing that I can say that I miss is not being able to drink my coffee while rock crawling. I think the autos have it over the standards on that one. If I didn't like shifting or clutching, I would have gotten an automatic but I consider that part of the fun of wheeling. So, this is a highly personal choice. One must eventually choose.

(4) I know it’s no V8, but how do these vehicle respond on the freeway (I did not have the opportunity to drive the Wrangler on one); i.e., can they maintain decent highway speeds, etc.?

This is another area in which I appreciate having the standard over the automatic. Any time more power is needed I can downshift and usually get the desired effect. Passing gear may not always give the same results. I consider my jeep responsive to the accelerator because I listen to it carefully and am quick to correct which gear it is in in order to get it to respond. It has taken me a long time to get this type of response in a standard but it is practically automatic now. Anybody who has driven a standard for a long time will most likely say the same. When my engine complains, it gets what it wants. The only limiting factor is redline. I stay clear of that area of the tachometer.

(5) A few of the Edmund reviews commented on the three-piece hardtops leaking very badly—how common is this? Are there any other things I should look for?

My first 08 Sahara Unlimited went back to Chrysler and the details of the deal are sealed. It leaked when delivered and was put through hell trying to solve that leak. My late 08 model year Rubicon Unlimited hard top leaked in the exact same place during the first two rain storms. I took it back to the dealer and they adjusted it each time. It hasn't leaked since. The freedom top (three piece hard top) has since been pretty trouble free for most owners. In 09 they moved the center clamp forward to engage the middle windshield hold-down loop and I believe this has contributed to a better seal along with a redesign of the seals themselves. Anyway, I don't hear so much recently on the forums about this particular issue. As other posts have said it is a jeep and has so much versatility regarding the removal of the top or changing it from hard top to soft top (I have both) that eventually it is bound to leak. Treating the seals with a product that is meant to preserve rubber, and there are many on the market, will help the seals to keep water out for a long time. Being lax on maintenance will probably hasten the inevitable fact of water penetration. I plan on owning mine for a long time and have been cleaning the seals with a silicone based cleaner/lubricant. It continues to keep water out at almost two years of ownership now. I'm satisfied with my jeep regarding this issue and I can tell you that wasn't the case initially. My dealer especially and Chrysler worked with me on it and made a satisfied customer out of me. I can't say that I'm always easy to deal with but I am OK with fairness and they have been fair in working with me on issues that have come up.

Thank you all very much for your help!

You're welcome. Hope this has helped.
TRacer
03-30-2010 09:54 AM
dan243 A standard tranny is mostly maintenance free, a four door is rated to haul larger trailers. Crosswinds are always going to be noticeable when you drive a vehicle shaped like a box. The Jeep is the perfect vehicle for myself, I love everything about it except for the rear window in my soft-top. The window is a chore to unzip open and shut. The standard has no problem passing others on the highway either.
03-30-2010 09:38 AM
JIMBOX My last CUDA was a HEMI (426) and I had two cuda's and a bunch of corvettes

My '08 Jeep Rubi is lifted and with Rubi springs and HD shocks, doesn't notice winds AT ALL

My gearing is 4:11 front/back and thats just about the highest gearing you want for towing, mine tows very well, just like there's no trailer there, it weighs less than 1000 lbs

Like HD says--this is a jeep, not a formula one, you drive it like a jeep and it treats you like a jeep owner

My top has never leaked, you have to remove/install with common sense and a little preperation and it won't leak

Buying a jeep takes a mind set, just like having a firearm for home defense-----you know what you're getting, you know what it'll do and you treat it with respect--you end up with a level playing field

JIMBO
03-30-2010 09:37 AM
Slither302 I've got a '10 unlmtd rubi w/ auto and haven't had any issues. The trans has been fine and the freedom top has been on/off several times with zero leaks. I will be pulling a small trailer also and don't anticipate any issues. As long as u keep in mind it doesn't have a hemi in it you will be fine. I am coming from a
G8GT w/ some mods that was pushing 400hp at the crank but yet I am pefectly happy with my jeep
03-30-2010 09:15 AM
Hilldweller Unlimiteds are more stable in crosswinds than 2-doors; if you lift it, it becomes more susceptible to crosswinds though.

It's slow; accept that and achieve total enlightenment and worldly bliss.

They tow just fine as long as you remember the previous statement. I have a South African military trailer that I tow all over; it's 1500 to 2000 pounds loaded. It's an anchor.

The manual trans is much more peppy and easier to live with in regards to power. The automatic is overall easier but not so power friendly. Dealer's choice here. I had to get an automatic because my wife can't drive a stick.

My Freedom Top doesn't leak. YMMV

It's a Jeep. It's not an SUV.
If you buy a Jeep and expect an SUV, you'll hate life.
A Jeep is a Jeep; if you were meant to own one you will never know peace until you own one.



Here, watch this, our Christmas ride. If you wish you were there, go buy the Jeep. You'll have to wrench on it, deal with quirks, and modify it.
But it will be family and you will love it.
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03-30-2010 08:06 AM
InfernoGirl Welcome to the forum! As a Hemi Charger owner, and a Wrangler owner I can tell you they are completely different beasts. Wranglers strong point is not power, but the ability to take you anywhere you want to go with impeccable style! Like any high profile vehicle, wind is a variable you learn to live with. Going fast is not... I can pretty much guarantee you that the first time you drop the top on the Wrangler and go off into the unexplored territory, you will forget all about the fact that you could have gotten there in 1/3 of the time in your Charger or SS....
Towing packages generally mean that it has factory installed tow points, not the hitch, etc. Many Wrangler owners tow all sorts of stuff over all sorts of terrain, so I don't forsee andy problems with your teardrop trailer.
Like mentioned above, transmission is personal preference.
As far as the top leaking, well, it is a convertible. I've owned 3 different convertibles and none of them have been 100% leak free, it is what it is. The Jeep is dryer than the Mustang or Camaro were...
The fun factor in owning a Wrangler is something that is just sort of indescribable. Most of us will own one for as long as we own vehicles. That should tell you something! And some of us (ok, I'm the only one) don't even go offroad very often

(dang, I need to buy stock in Fiat now... if only all my money didn't go into the Jeep)


Oh, are you on the Chargerforum, by any chance?
03-29-2010 11:38 PM
wrangler0
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Originally Posted by TRacer View Post
(4) I know it’s no V8, but how do these vehicle respond on the freeway (I did not have the opportunity to drive the Wrangler on one); i.e., can they maintain decent highway speeds, etc.? r
I have no complaints at all about maintaining highway speeds.
Even passing other vehicles and merging on to a highway isnt as bad as I thought it would be.


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Originally Posted by TRacer View Post
(5) A few of the Edmund reviews commented on the three-piece hardtops leaking very badly—how common is this? Are there any other things I should look for? r
I think some of the older Freedom Top JK's had leaking issues.

I have a 2010 Sahara and have had no leaking issues at all.
In the month that I've owned it it's seen a lot of rain, tonight included, and the interior has stayed nice and dry.
03-29-2010 11:05 PM
N39-W120 (1) Towing— how good are Wranglers for towing-- really? Just this weekend I towed our Scout troop trailer which weighs in at about 3500. It did ok and did maintain 70 on a flat interstate. I wouldnt want to try it on mountain roads though and my mileage was about 10mpg. You should be fine with the tear drop

(2) Crosswinds – are 4-door Wranglers tiring to drive in windy conditions (I have a family and dogs so I am focusing on a 4-door) I live in an ara where you have to cross several bridges to go anywhere and haven't had any problem with cross winds, not to say you want to notoce and you will have to pay attention more than "normal"

(3) Which is the better transmission to get, in the long run? I’ve read of overheating problems with the automatics on one website, while some manuals have a tendency to jump out of gear. I know how to drive a stick well, and I would eventually be take the vehicle off road and participating in Jamborees and such. This will be a can of worms here.... The hard core purists will say manual, but the auto is quite capable and will give you one less thing to worry about on the trail. I have about 30k on mine not and have had no problems with the auto

(4) I know it’s no V8, but how do these vehicle respond on the freeway (I did not have the opportunity to drive the Wrangler on one); i.e., can they maintain decent highway speeds, etc.? Anything over 80 becomes scary as it will start to jump around on road joints, or atleast thats my experience

(5) A few of the Edmund reviews commented on the three-piece hardtops leaking very badly—how common is this? Are there any other things I should look for? There have been a few Freedom top complaints here, but I only have the soft top, which will leak from time to time, but that is usually due to me not getting the top back on "just right" or high winds driving rain to the side, but it's a Jeep and she's got drain holes so what's the problem right?


Good luck from another who went from mounds of power to a Wrangler... Previously had a Dodge Ram 3500 CTD..... and have been very happy with my Wrangler.
03-29-2010 10:38 PM
TRacer
Prospective 2010 Wrangler Unlmtd Owner with Questions

Hello all,

I just joined this site as I have a few question for “the JK experts” in the audience. I tried using this site’s search function (“preferred transmission”, etc.) in addition to reading a number of customer reviews on Edmunds.com, but I’d like to get some more insight if possible. To quickly set the stage, I am about a month away from having to turn in my leased 2007 Chevy Impala SS with the 5.3L V8 (I still have to pull all the high performance stuff off of it.) I have considered keeping it, but I really need something more SUV-ish as I have a restored 1940 teardrop camping trailer (yes, just like the ones on that Huell Howser show) I’d like to use more often.

While at Don-A-Vee Jeep in Placentia, CA (Orange County) this past weekend to pick up a part for my ’06 Hemi Charger, there were a number of Jeep Wranglers parked near the customer parking area so I wandered over to take a look. It didn’t take long for a salesperson named “J.R.” to come chat with me and offer a test drive in a charcoal gray 4-door Wrangler Sport that appeared to have a Tow Package (the receiver hitch and wiring was visible in the back) and what J.R. said was a unique feature; that being, black leather interior in a Sport model instead of cloth. The transmission was the 6-speed manual. Keep in mind the last 4x4 I’d been in was when my father and I bombed around Baja California in our 1970 Land Rover that had such luxuries as hinged manual windscreen vents (!), Lucas electrics, manual drum brakes, a hand throttle lever, and a plate riveted to the metal dash that said, “WARNING: Double clutch from 1st to 2nd gear required.” It was so primitive, even a Geico caveman wouldn’t drive it.

I came away from the Wrangler test drive very impressed, as I've been considering a Trailblazer and hadn’t thought of a Jeep even though I’ve wanted a RHD Jeep for years (I think RHD Jeeps are so cool.) After much Internet research and reading, here are my questions/concerns:

(1) Towing— how good are Wranglers for towing-- really? My teardrop trailer weighs about 800 lbs. loaded and is all wood (tongue & groove spruce; the trailer’s axle is from a 1917 Hupmobile Model N). Does the Tow Package on a Wrangler Sport (or Sahara) net you 3.73 gears in both F&R axles, or just the rear? I would probably want the posi rear.

(2) Crosswinds – are 4-door Wranglers tiring to drive in windy conditions (I have a family and dogs so I am focusing on a 4-door)

(3) Which is the better transmission to get, in the long run? I’ve read of overheating problems with the automatics on one website, while some manuals have a tendency to jump out of gear. I know how to drive a stick well, and I would eventually be take the vehicle off road and participating in Jamborees and such.

(4) I know it’s no V8, but how do these vehicle respond on the freeway (I did not have the opportunity to drive the Wrangler on one); i.e., can they maintain decent highway speeds, etc.?

(5) A few of the Edmund reviews commented on the three-piece hardtops leaking very badly—how common is this? Are there any other things I should look for?

Thank you all very much for your help!
TRacer

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