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11-12-2011 05:27 PM
kjeeper10 And

Where is that thread with 5678 post?
11-12-2011 03:37 PM
JIMBOX I used breakin oil in my-

1956 McCULLAH Chain saw-

JIMBO
11-12-2011 03:21 PM
oilwell1415 Break in oil? LOL. No such thing these days.
11-12-2011 10:27 AM
biggus blockus Engine break-in oil should be left in the motor for the first scheduled interval. The additive package is special and is designed to help ensure proper engine break in.

I'm always amazed when people think it's better to do something other than what the owners manual (and Jeep engineers) recommends.

Dino vs. Syn - it really boils down to the additive package more than the base stock. Synthetic is better oil but often it is changed well before even regular Dino oil is compromised.

I run Mobil One synthetic in all my vehicles. The Corvettes and Jeeps get once a year oil changes. The daily drivers every 6 months based on the computer oil change intervals. Keep in mind the intervals are based on regular dino oil and not full syn. That is the extra margin of safety.
11-12-2011 08:02 AM
daggo66
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Originally Posted by GoldenSahara00 View Post


seems this thread is trolling, and way off topic, but what's freaking new anyways. Change your oil however you want and deal with circumstance as they come. It's life go live it and quit arguing for arguments sake.
No one's arguing. This is nothing more than a healthy discussion to show jk'n how wrong he is! My point is to change your oil whenever you feel is right. Whether it be 3k or 10k do what is right for you, however don't try to make it sound like there is only one right way, which is what he is doing.
11-12-2011 05:43 AM
kjeeper10
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Originally Posted by GoldenSahara00



seems this thread is trolling, and way off topic, but what's freaking new anyways. Change your oil however you want and deal with circumstance as they come. It's life go live it and quit arguing for arguments sake.
don't all oil threads end up that way?
11-12-2011 12:28 AM
GoldenSahara00
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Originally Posted by jk'n
One other thing, I think that based on my conversation with Chrysler that there are quite a few folks that are pretty anal about the short oil change interval and trying to scare people into wasting a lot of oil unnecessarily. I can be anal about other things but not this one. So don't take that term too negatively. We all have our moments and I'm on the other side of this particular issue. I have no issues those who lean the other way, I just think it is a waste of resources.


seems this thread is trolling, and way off topic, but what's freaking new anyways. Change your oil however you want and deal with circumstance as they come. It's life go live it and quit arguing for arguments sake.
11-11-2011 04:58 PM
jk'n One other thing, I think that based on my conversation with Chrysler that there are quite a few folks that are pretty anal about the short oil change interval and trying to scare people into wasting a lot of oil unnecessarily. I can be anal about other things but not this one. So don't take that term too negatively. We all have our moments and I'm on the other side of this particular issue. I have no issues those who lean the other way, I just think it is a waste of resources.
11-11-2011 04:53 PM
jk'n I was pretty clear above...I didn't speak to the dealer I spoke to Chrysler direct and got a case number. They called my dealer and reprimanded them for not dealing with me honestly.
11-11-2011 02:17 PM
oilwell1415
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I sincerely hope you recorded that conversation you had with a minimum wage administrative assistant (i.e. secretary) or possibly an unpaid intern. You're really hanging out in the wind on this one, especially sticking to the belief that the mileage written on the paper to record events is anything more than a place holder. Your actual mileage should be written on any maintenance log. Your thinking is that will show that you stuck to the exact schedule. Actually it will do the opposite and lead someone to believe you just wrote things down after the fact. Real numbers will lend credence to truth.
+1. The severe service maintenance schedule comes directly from Chrysler as well. The dealer doesn't write the manuals, the manufacturer does. I hope he never needs the warranty because I have a lot of doubt that it will be there for him.
11-11-2011 12:29 PM
daggo66
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Originally Posted by jk'n View Post
My dealer tried to tread this argument on me and it doesn't stand up to Chrysler standards. I immediately called Chrysler and established a case number regarding the dealer statements that were similar to above. They told me that the only place in the USA that determines severe service by only weather alone is Alaska. They then proceeded to tell me that the customer in the rest of the states get to determine that. The minimum service that the customer is responsible for is the longer schedule. Directly from Chrysler.
I sincerely hope you recorded that conversation you had with a minimum wage administrative assistant (i.e. secretary) or possibly an unpaid intern. You're really hanging out in the wind on this one, especially sticking to the belief that the mileage written on the paper to record events is anything more than a place holder. Your actual mileage should be written on any maintenance log. Your thinking is that will show that you stuck to the exact schedule. Actually it will do the opposite and lead someone to believe you just wrote things down after the fact. Real numbers will lend credence to truth.
11-11-2011 12:19 PM
kjeeper10
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Originally Posted by jk'n

Just to make you feel better........I don't dismiss it totally. And wouldn't recommend that to others either. If I did a lot of driving in one oil change cycle in severe circumstances I would cut the interval in half and change it. I've never had to do that yet though. Maybe when I get my gas sipping replacement for the jeep and use the jeep for only wheeling and getting to and fro, my oil changes will go to every 3k....see....I'm not just dismissing it.
I understand you totally. I was always told and read that most fall in the severe category, unless you drive nothing but highway- doing the speed limit (or something like that) regardless, I always change my oil @ 3000-4000 anyhow so...
11-11-2011 11:59 AM
jk'n
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Originally Posted by kjeeper10 View Post
I have never seen the "we all do severe driving" thought dismissed
Just to make you feel better........I don't dismiss it totally. And wouldn't recommend that to others either. If I did a lot of driving in one oil change cycle in severe circumstances I would cut the interval in half and change it. I've never had to do that yet though. Maybe when I get my gas sipping replacement for the jeep and use the jeep for only wheeling and getting to and fro, my oil changes will go to every 3k....see....I'm not just dismissing it.
11-11-2011 11:46 AM
kjeeper10 I have never seen the "we all do severe driving" thought dismissed
11-11-2011 10:41 AM
jk'n
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Originally Posted by oilwell1415 View Post
Neither they, nor I, need to look at it to tell you that. Severe service has very little to do with how you use it and a lot to do with the environment it's in. If you operate it on hot or cold days they consider it severe service. Short trips, dusty condidtions, and on and on automatically put it in severe service. There isn't a state in the nation with the possible exception of Hawaii that doesn't put vehicles into the severe service category based on weather alone.



Even if the operating environment alone didn't put it in severe service, if you do those things even one time in a maintenance cycle you are in severe service.
My dealer tried to tread this argument on me and it doesn't stand up to Chrysler standards. I immediately called Chrysler and established a case number regarding the dealer statements that were similar to above. They told me that the only place in the USA that determines severe service by only weather alone is Alaska. They then proceeded to tell me that the customer in the rest of the states get to determine that. The minimum service that the customer is responsible for is the longer schedule. Directly from Chrysler.

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Satisfying customers? LOL. Tell that to Silverton34 who has a new Jeep that wasn't even due for service yet when his transmission went haywire and the Jeep randomly won't move under its own power. They won't even make an appointment to look at it and corporate won't help at all. They are in the business of making money. If you think they won't tell you to pound sand to protect their good name you are sadly mistaken.
I can't speak for other customers but my dealings with Chrysler have been reasonable and I find them to be a good company. I would buy another car from them based on this history, that is why they call it good will. It takes time to build a reputation like that. I'm not gullible enough to think that every customer has this experience. This has been my experience.

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There is no distinction. You either followed the schedule or you didn't follow the schedule.
I beg to differ with this one. Chrysler is not that picky. In my dealings with them, when my dealer wouldn't service something I have always been able to call Chrysler customer service and come to some agreement on how to proceed that has been acceptable.

This is my third Chrysler product in a row over the past 11 years. They have always been a reasonable company and my dealer has been the same. The contract that you sign with them is a guide. Breaking it can be black and white or gray depending on the issue at hand. It will remain to be seen, for instance, if they will take care of my high oil usage that has been happening since it was new when the problems gets worse. I hope they do the right thing, but if they don't I will find an engine that works better and put it in or have someone do it for me. That would disappoint me but wouldn't kill my love for jeeps. All is relative...I try to be realistic in my ownership experience. She has 50K on her odometer now and if she makes it to 240K with the high oil consumption, I will call that good service and move on with a rebuild.
11-11-2011 09:36 AM
oilwell1415
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As easy as my oil change is , I still doit once a year and that usually averages 4000 to 5000 miles-

JIMBO
That's what I do with my truck as well, but it only sees about 1500 miles/year on a busy year. I almost saved the oil I drained out of it last month to put in my DD. It still looked brand new. Gotta love synthetic.
11-11-2011 09:19 AM
GoldenSahara00 Fapfapfap
11-11-2011 09:17 AM
JIMBOX As easy as my oil change is , I still doit once a year and that usually averages 4000 to 5000 miles-

JIMBO
11-11-2011 09:02 AM
oilwell1415
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Originally Posted by jk'n View Post
I would like to know how you know that my jeep falls under severe service. Not even Chrysler will know the answer to that question based on looking at my jeep.
Neither they, nor I, need to look at it to tell you that. Severe service has very little to do with how you use it and a lot to do with the environment it's in. If you operate it on hot or cold days they consider it severe service. Short trips, dusty condidtions, and on and on automatically put it in severe service. There isn't a state in the nation with the possible exception of Hawaii that doesn't put vehicles into the severe service category based on weather alone.

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Yes, it goes off road occasionally and yes, it tows a trailer once in a while but compared to the mileage that I put on it, those situations are a minor part of the operating experience. That would fall under the normal driving and longer interval.
Even if the operating environment alone didn't put it in severe service, if you do those things even one time in a maintenance cycle you are in severe service.

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A judge will look at the average interval and not at the 500 mile variation cause by difficulty of getting an appointment at a busy dealer. Chrysler would look very silly in court trying to defend that and losing.
They won't look nearly as silly as you will. A judge is going to look at the written documents in front of him and apply the prevailing law to them. If the dealer was busy there are other places you could have gone or you could have done a better job of planning in advance. A judge doesn't always have the luxury of applying common sense, they have to uphold the law. A judge also probably knows nothing about cars and will have to rely on the testimony of expert witnesses. Chrysler will have better and more credible ones than you will and they will tear your argument to pieces even if they're wrong and you will get to sit helplessly and watch them do it.

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They are not in the business of catching their customers up on a very minor point during a long service engine, they are in the business of satisfying customers. I doubt they would sacrifice that type of good will playing that game.
Satisfying customers? LOL. Tell that to Silverton34 who has a new Jeep that wasn't even due for service yet when his transmission went haywire and the Jeep randomly won't move under its own power. They won't even make an appointment to look at it and corporate won't help at all. They are in the business of making money. If you think they won't tell you to pound sand to protect their good name you are sadly mistaken.

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Gross negligence on maintaining service schedules is different though. Minor variations don't fall into that category.
There is no distinction. You either followed the schedule or you didn't follow the schedule.
11-10-2011 11:19 PM
GoldenSahara00
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Originally Posted by jk'n

120K on her? Gulp....fantastic!
Yup the i6 is the true messiah engine sorry pentas###
11-10-2011 11:16 PM
jk'n
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Originally Posted by GoldenSahara00 View Post
Haha lucky. I expect my baby to run a long time. I'm so glad owned her almost a year and a half with 120k miles and she's only been to the garage once for annoil change I did the rest myself. No mechanical problems that weren't my own fault lol. These engines are bullet proof.
120K on her? Gulp....fantastic!
11-10-2011 10:59 PM
kjeeper10
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Originally Posted by GoldenSahara00

Haha lucky. I expect my baby to run a long time. I'm so glad owned her almost a year and a half with 120k miles and she's only been to the garage once for annoil change I did the rest myself. No mechanical problems that weren't my own fault lol. These engines are bullet proof.
Thats for sure
11-10-2011 10:54 PM
GoldenSahara00
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Originally Posted by kjeeper10

Was the plan, on July 14 that all changed
Haha lucky. I expect my baby to run a long time. I'm so glad owned her almost a year and a half with 120k miles and she's only been to the garage once for annoil change I did the rest myself. No mechanical problems that weren't my own fault lol. These engines are bullet proof.
11-10-2011 10:47 PM
kjeeper10
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Originally Posted by GoldenSahara00

I dont feel that I need it however I am kinda wanting to swap in a bolt in i6 stroker so if my engine goes no big deal...
Was the plan, on July 14 that all changed
11-10-2011 10:45 PM
GoldenSahara00
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Originally Posted by kjeeper10

Usually about 3000 I give it thought... By the time I get my lazy ass to do it, it's more like 4000 ish
I dont feel that I need it however I am kinda wanting to swap in a bolt in i6 stroker so if my engine goes no big deal...
11-10-2011 10:34 PM
kjeeper10
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Originally Posted by GoldenSahara00

I do 5k with regular oil in mine but that ends up about once every 10 months with a old bit of offloading. It needs it.
Usually about 3000 I give it thought... By the time I get my lazy ass to do it, it's more like 4000 ish
11-10-2011 10:30 PM
GoldenSahara00
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Originally Posted by kjeeper10

Haha yup

"I thought 6000/8000 was RECOMMENDED" ?

I do 5k with regular oil in mine but that ends up about once every 10 months with a old bit of offloading. It needs it.
11-10-2011 10:28 PM
kjeeper10
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Originally Posted by GoldenSahara00
This thread has become a crap shoot... Smh
Haha yup

"I thought 6000/8000 was RECOMMENDED" ?

11-10-2011 10:18 PM
GoldenSahara00 This thread has become a crap shoot... Smh
11-10-2011 10:08 PM
jk'n
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Originally Posted by oilwell1415 View Post
Missed this earlier....

Here is the real reality of ownership: Chrysler has two service schedules for your Jeep. One for normal service and one for severe. You fall under severe. The next time you are at the dealership for your oil change ask to see the severe service schedule and have them print it out for you. This is the schedule Chrysler will expect you to have followed and what you will be responsible for if you have a legal problem with warranty coverage in the future. It doesn't matter what the dealer tells you. Your warranty is not with them, it is with Chrysler. If the dealer is telling you that 6k miles is OK they are setting you up for a potential screwing if you ever need to use that powertrain warranty. They also won't be paying any attention to your "average" oil change interval. If you go over one time they will use that against you.
I would like to know how you know that my jeep falls under severe service. Not even Chrysler will know the answer to that question based on looking at my jeep. Yes, it goes off road occasionally and yes, it tows a trailer once in a while but compared to the mileage that I put on it, those situations are a minor part of the operating experience. That would fall under the normal driving and longer interval. A judge will look at the average interval and not at the 500 mile variation cause by difficulty of getting an appointment at a busy dealer. Chrysler would look very silly in court trying to defend that and losing. They are not in the business of catching their customers up on a very minor point during a long service engine, they are in the business of satisfying customers. I doubt they would sacrifice that type of good will playing that game. Gross negligence on maintaining service schedules is different though. Minor variations don't fall into that category.
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