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05-31-2010 10:03 PM
drivebytruckerz It's a price my family didn't have to pay.. I can only imagine.. I don't even know how to begin to thank the family of the brothers I lost.
05-31-2010 09:39 PM
Outlaw Jeeper
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Originally Posted by drivebytruckerz View Post
The type of "celebration" I'm talking about is what 90% of Americans take part in. Memorial Day to most people is the beginning of summer and an excuse to drink beer at the lake.

Pet peeve #2 is the greeting "Happy Memorial Day" which is not at all appropriate..

Pet peeve #3 (and this one is a hard one to understand for non veterans) When people treat Memorial Day like Veteran's Day.. I noticed this when I came home from Iraq and people called to tell me "Happy Memorial Day" and to say "Thanks" which is full of well-meaning, but Memorial Day is for those who died and didn't return to their families.. not for the living.

Just a heads up to a generally well-meaning, but innocently ignorant civilian population.
You have definitely hit the nail on the head. I've looked on several Jeep forums today and the "Memorial Day Parts Sale" threads have had more views than those discussing Memorial Day. Most Americans that woke up this morning are oblivious to the price that has been paid for their Freedom. Not only their fundamental freedom, but the million little conveniences that are taken for granted here in the United States. All I personally ask is for everyone to take just a moment to remember, REALLY REMEMBER those who unselfishly gave their lives for every one of us. HONOR their families and let them know how much you appreciate their sacrifice.

Today my small town held our annual Memorial Day parade. It starts on the edge of town, and ends with a brief ceremony in our town park appropriately named "Memorial Park". The Grand Marshals of our parade were the parents of 28 year old Richard J. Tieman who was killed on May 18th in Kabul. He was married less than 30 days.

Staff Sgt. Richard James Tieman of Waynesboro is killed in Kabul suicide bombing - Waynesboro, PA - Waynesboro Record Herald

Although his parents were honored during this year's ceremony, it didn't take but a few minutes for everyone to go on about their day. I was shocked when we returned to the park just 30 minutes later to find Richard's mother sitting there, by herself, with a bouquet of flowers and a small plaque by her side. It stopped us in our tracks. We had to go back and comfort her and express our gratitude for her sacrifice. We will honor her son by NEVER forgetting his name, and we will continue to honor those who have made the ultimate sacrifice.
05-31-2010 08:23 PM
drivebytruckerz The type of "celebration" I'm talking about is what 90% of Americans take part in. Memorial Day to most people is the beginning of summer and an excuse to drink beer at the lake.

Pet peeve #2 is the greeting "Happy Memorial Day" which is not at all appropriate..

Pet peeve #3 (and this one is a hard one to understand for non veterans) When people treat Memorial Day like Veteran's Day.. I noticed this when I came home from Iraq and people called to tell me "Happy Memorial Day" and to say "Thanks" which is full of well-meaning, but Memorial Day is for those who died and didn't return to their families.. not for the living.

Just a heads up to a generally well-meaning, but innocently ignorant civilian population.
05-31-2010 08:16 PM
s3nt3nc3d
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Well I agree people should not take any holidays for granted and respect why we have them, but to say they shouldn't enjoy the day with family and friends or have a BBQ, or to try to limit anyone's way of celebrating any holiday is a slap in the face of those we are remembering today, as they died for rights and freedoms.

Memorial day should have some solemn reflections, it should also be a celebration of the improvement in our way of life as giving to us by our fallen ancestors.

And that said, here is the final part of Lincoln's Gettysburg address, the part no one ever remembers.

". . . that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion—that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain—that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom—and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth."
You make a good point...I can see it both of a way where you should remember the soldiers who gave their lives for our freedom and not be celebratory, but in a sense, I can also see why it's a good idea to have a party and CELEBRATE Memorial Day... it's kind of like funerals. Some people have a funeral service where people sit around and mope...and other people don't agree with that and instead opt to call it a "Celebration of Life" where everyone gets together and remembers the good times. I think people can do the same thing on Memorial Day...rather than be all solemn about the soldiers who died, celebrate their accomplishments of making the ultimate sacrifice for us to remain free. The only problem I have is many people don't celebrate Memorial Day for that reason...they celebrate it like any other day... it's a day they have off work where they can have a party, cook out, and get drunk instead of go to work. And all their celebrating is the fact that they're absolutely wasted on a workday.
05-31-2010 07:22 PM
hig4s Well I agree people should not take any holidays for granted and respect why we have them, but to say they shouldn't enjoy the day with family and friends or have a BBQ, or to try to limit anyone's way of celebrating any holiday is a slap in the face of those we are remembering today, as they died for rights and freedoms.

Memorial day should have some solemn reflections, it should also be a celebration of the improvement in our way of life as giving to us by our fallen ancestors.

And that said, here is the final part of Lincoln's Gettysburg address, the part no one ever remembers.

". . . that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion—that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain—that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom—and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth."
05-31-2010 05:00 PM
drivebytruckerz ^ Nice Jeep.
05-31-2010 01:34 PM
Outlaw Jeeper
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"Like Patriot Day and Pearl Harbor Day, Memorial Day is not a celebration, but rather a heartfelt and prayerful response to a solemn duty. Memorial Day is a day of remembrance for the brave servicemen and women who not only answered the call, but made the supreme sacrifice for our sake -- trusting in us who remain and our descendants to ensure that their selfless sacrifice would not be in vain. It is a reminder that freedom isn't free, and that we must choose our leaders wisely, because the game of politics has real life consequences seldom known by those who play it."
Very, VERY well said!

MAY GOD BLESS THOSE WHO MADE THE ULTIMATE SACRIFICE FOR OUR FREEDOM!!!

05-28-2010 09:56 PM
drivebytruckerz They Braves announcer (Joe Simpson) just wished us all a "Happy Memorial Day." It's a losing battle I fear..
05-28-2010 12:28 PM
drivebytruckerz
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well ill be on a convoy some were in afghan. so hope all have a good time.
Stay safe out there dude.. Keep your head down.
05-28-2010 12:15 PM
florida boy well ill be on a convoy some were in afghan. so hope all have a good time.
05-28-2010 12:02 PM
JDsDream The once small town that I grew up in started a tradition of raising flags and crosses along the road sides each Memorial Day and Veteran's Day. Each cross has the name of a soldier who gave their life for our country with the conflict/war in which they fought shown on the cross' upright. This has been going on for over 15 years and as it started as 20 or so flags, it has now grown to at least 500. Twice a year the city crews come out and hand set each cross and flag. Every main road in this town is covered with flags and as you drive through, you cannot help but remember the sacrifice that each of them has made. I will get pics to post, it really is an amazing sight.
05-28-2010 11:14 AM
alsyj
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Originally Posted by drivebytruckerz View Post
RatherBNmexico....

Call and thank him on Veterans day, or on the Marine Corps B-day. But if he's like me and has lost buddies in Combat and never got to go to their funerals because he was still there.. then he just doesn't want to take any credit on Memorial Day because it is a day for those who didn't make it home, and there's probably a little guilt that he did. It won't make sense to you, but in his mind it does.
This is a very good point, a lot of vets are proud of what they have done, not for the glory but for their country and for freedom. Remember the vets, honor them and respect them. As far as grandpa is concerned just give him a call and tell him you love him he will probably appreciate that more...
05-28-2010 11:00 AM
drivebytruckerz RatherBNmexico....

Call and thank him on Veterans day, or on the Marine Corps B-day. But if he's like me and has lost buddies in Combat and never got to go to their funerals because he was still there.. then he just doesn't want to take any credit on Memorial Day because it is a day for those who didn't make it home, and there's probably a little guilt that he did. It won't make sense to you, but in his mind it does.
05-28-2010 10:56 AM
alsyj
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Originally Posted by drivebytruckerz View Post
^I'm stealing that bbq pic..
enjoy, use it well...
05-28-2010 10:55 AM
VolForce
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Originally Posted by RatherBNmexico View Post
I need your guys help.

My grandfather is a marine veteran, and I call him every year and thank him for what he has done. Last year, he got really upset, not because I called him, just because he didn't want to think about it. What should I do this year? Should I call him? I want to tell him I'm thankful, but I don't want him to get upset or angry.
Just call him and tell him that you were thinking of him. That will be enough.
05-28-2010 10:49 AM
drivebytruckerz ^I'm stealing that bbq pic..
05-28-2010 10:46 AM
alsyj [QUOTE=drivebytruckerz;636051]Just a yearly heads up I like to give about a pet peeve of mine:

"Like Patriot Day and Pearl Harbor Day, Memorial Day is not a celebration, but rather a heartfelt and prayerful response to a solemn duty. Memorial Day is a day of remembrance for the brave servicemen and women who not only answered the call, but made the supreme sacrifice for our sake -- trusting in us who remain and our descendants to ensure that their selfless sacrifice would not be in vain. It is a reminder that freedom isn't free, and that we must choose our leaders wisely, because the game of politics has real life consequences seldom known by those who play it."

I found this article online at nj.com and was a declaration by a local Patriotic Celebration Committee in a New Jersey town and I think it puts it very well. So when you're at your cookout or taking a long weekend trip take a moment to remember the reason for the holiday, and that "Happy Memorial Day" is not really an appropriate greeting this weekend. That's what Veteran's day is for, the living and the dead who served, but Memorial Day is set aside for those who paid the price and didn't make it home to their families. God Bless them.

Well said...
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05-28-2010 08:46 AM
sevenservices I think part of the not eating pork thing is related to POW's getting the scraps from the pigs. Yeah, they will give you food, but its something that we'd normally leave as a steamy gut pile in the woods.

People can be really horrible to others, in some cases, its better to not survive from the stories I've heard. Breaks me up inside just to think about some of the stuff people do to other people because of where they are from or what race they are.
05-28-2010 08:21 AM
drivebytruckerz Most people are like you guys.. it's not that you don't care.. it's more that you don't know, or have never been taught.

My main objective is to help people distinguish between Memorial Day and Veteran's day. One being a celebration of service (Veteran's Day) and one being a remembrance of lives given in service (Memorial Day).

This all started when I came back from Iraq and people would thank me on Memorial Day, and I would say.. "well I appreciate it, but it's not about me." Just spread the word.. and even if you do go to the lake, or have a cookout, make sure everybody there takes a minute to remember what it's all about.
05-28-2010 08:08 AM
s3nt3nc3d
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wow.. I can honestly say that I have been taking memorial day for granted like the majority of the population all these years. I really do appreciate all that has happened and all of the commitment that gave us memorial day. But I have never really seen it the way that you described it if that makes any sense? I just wanted to say that this post has been a real eye opener, and will certainly change my attitude about the entire thing. I appreciate all that has been done so that we may live the lives that we live, and I will definitely be spreading this message. I want others around me to also appreciate memorial day for its true purpose.
I agree with this...I was the same way. As I'm getting older I'm learning the true meaning behind a lot of the holidays. Before...it was just a vacation day from school...like Memorial Day. Memorial Day in my mind had nothing to do with the soldiers who lost their lives fighting for our country and protecting our rights. It was a day that signified the school year was about over and the day the local swimming pools officially opened for the summer.
05-28-2010 07:24 AM
bflank I recently got the opportunity to be part of the Navy Funeral Honors program. We represent the Navy for funerals of veterans and retirees. Usually a detail of 3 retirees or reservists who play Taps, fold and present the flag. Retirees also get a rifle party from the National Guard. People tell me that i am doing a good thing for the families - and that's true - but I get so much satisfaction out of being part of the cycle of remembering and honoring service.

Some of these veterans served in WWII and then left the Navy, some served full careers, but they all deserve the recognition.

If you ever get the opportunity to participate, I recommend you do so. It will be an experience you will never forget. And then you will appreciate that Memorial Day should not be restricted to just one day per year.

Even if you have never served in the military, if you can learn to play the 27 notes of Taps on a bugle then Bugles Across America wants you.
05-27-2010 06:59 PM
McGridDLe wow.. I can honestly say that I have been taking memorial day for granted like the majority of the population all these years. I really do appreciate all that has happened and all of the commitment that gave us memorial day. But I have never really seen it the way that you described it if that makes any sense? I just wanted to say that this post has been a real eye opener, and will certainly change my attitude about the entire thing. I appreciate all that has been done so that we may live the lives that we live, and I will definitely be spreading this message. I want others around me to also appreciate memorial day for its true purpose.
05-27-2010 05:59 PM
amy Ahhhh, well then, if you all really want to have a memorial service on the plane, call the airline and ask permission first.
05-27-2010 05:39 PM
Dare2BSquare
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If you're all sitting together, I would think it would be ok. If they don't want a memorial service on the plane, you could all have a moment of silence, among yourselves.
We're flying Alitalia. I'd hate to have them land the plane in the Atlantic to put us off!
05-27-2010 05:28 PM
amy
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So, do you guys think our group would "get in trouble" if we held a memorial service on the plane on Memorial Day while flying to Europe? There's 40 of us, so we will have a good part of the aircraft to ourselves.
If you're all sitting together, I would think it would be ok. If they don't want a memorial service on the plane, you could all have a moment of silence, among yourselves.
05-27-2010 05:27 PM
InfernoGirl
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Originally Posted by RatherBNmexico View Post
I need your guys help.

My grandfather is a marine veteran, and I call him every year and thank him for what he has done. Last year, he got really upset, not because I called him, just because he didn't want to think about it. What should I do this year? Should I call him? I want to tell him I'm thankful, but I don't want him to get upset or angry.
Call him and tell him you love him.......
05-27-2010 05:22 PM
amy
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Originally Posted by RatherBNmexico View Post
I need your guys help.

My grandfather is a marine veteran, and I call him every year and thank him for what he has done. Last year, he got really upset, not because I called him, just because he didn't want to think about it. What should I do this year? Should I call him? I want to tell him I'm thankful, but I don't want him to get upset or angry.
My father fought in the Pacific in WWII. To this day, he refuses to talk about it. It's only recently that he's been willing to eat pork, because of something he saw or experienced during the war. We don't push him to talk about it, even though my brothers and I, and out children, would love to learn more about his life. We respect his wishes.
RB, my suggestion is to call your grandfather just to talk to him. Don't mention what day it is or thank him for his service. Just talk to him and let him know how much he means to you, as your Grandpa.
05-27-2010 05:14 PM
Dare2BSquare So, do you guys think our group would "get in trouble" if we held a memorial service on the plane on Memorial Day while flying to Europe? There's 40 of us, so we will have a good part of the aircraft to ourselves.
05-27-2010 04:50 PM
Schmo
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Originally Posted by drivebytruckerz View Post
I guess you're right.. if Jesus can't have Christmas.. then fallen service members can't have their day either.. Jesus gets iPods and Tickle Me Elmo while our dead military get Car tent sales and dirt cheap appliances.. makes sense..
I get the whole commericalizing of Christmas (or perhaps I should say Winter Solstice) it's been that way for years, but now days Jesus can't even have Easter . . . Walmart has stolen Easter too . . . Veteran's Day and Memorial Day will probably be next. Remember Christmas, Easter, Veteran's Day and Memorial Day costs less at Walmart! Roll backs on Budweiser, weiners, chips and dip, and disposable American flags made in Bangladesh.
05-27-2010 04:46 PM
biffman The town I'm from in Illinois has an excellent memorial day observance at the town cemetary. It is very somber, taps is played, a 21 gun salute completed, declarations are read. Having numerous relatives who have paid the price in various wars over the years it seems the appropriate way to observe.
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