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06-10-2010 08:44 AM
Vanimal00000
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Originally Posted by GroundHawg View Post
You're welcome vanimal. We're all here to spread the knowledge and ask questions

I think you're right carcrazy. I remember the same hoopla last spring, I'm just looking at it from the other side this year.

But even then, what more can be done with hardware? We are at the point of HD screens, 5 megapixel cameras w/LED flashes, touchscreen technology, 32GB of memory multitasking...I can't even sit here and think of what else you can do 64GB memory? 20 hours of video watching battery support? shoot lasers? Most of it's shortcomings seem to be software related. Picture support, flash, upload from phone, better push technology, etc.

Perhaps I'm just getting old and losing touch with technology. I'm becoming my dad...who still uses a VCR, watches VHS tapes, thinks his 1998 cell phone rocks, and has recently discovered how cool CD's are
I guess James Bond is going to use it to keep control of villains, or cut his way out of a train. But I agree with you, things keep getting faster, more tricks can be done and so on. How far can they go?
06-09-2010 07:17 PM
GroundHawg I'll agree with you on AT&T.

Where I live in Ohio it's pretty good. Strong signal, 3G is plentiful, no problems. Now PA it is simply AWEFUL! spotty 3G, weak signal...I mean no lie, it's impossible to drive and use the phone. You'll drop 2-3 calls every 20 miles.

Yeah I was just using examples pakman. I haven't a clue what networks unlocked iPhones can go on. I just know they're out there. Who is it exactly? Just out of curiosity.
06-09-2010 05:26 PM
mrcarcrazy In my ever so humble opinion, the biggest problem w/ the Iphone is the ATT network...it can't handle the amount of info on it, and needs to be updated...
06-09-2010 05:05 PM
pakman55
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Originally Posted by GroundHawg View Post
You can even hop onto other networks like Verizon or T-Mobile. This is called Unlocking. BUT, all of this comes at a price. Since a jailbroken iPhone can run 3rd party apps, it can now run viruses.
Im fairly certain that you can not get onto Verizon. T-Mobile and AT&T use the SIM card where Verizon uses the ESN. To get on TMobile you have to use your TMobile SIM card in the Iphone.
06-09-2010 04:51 PM
GroundHawg You're welcome vanimal. We're all here to spread the knowledge and ask questions

I think you're right carcrazy. I remember the same hoopla last spring, I'm just looking at it from the other side this year.

But even then, what more can be done with hardware? We are at the point of HD screens, 5 megapixel cameras w/LED flashes, touchscreen technology, 32GB of memory multitasking...I can't even sit here and think of what else you can do 64GB memory? 20 hours of video watching battery support? shoot lasers? Most of it's shortcomings seem to be software related. Picture support, flash, upload from phone, better push technology, etc.

Perhaps I'm just getting old and losing touch with technology. I'm becoming my dad...who still uses a VCR, watches VHS tapes, thinks his 1998 cell phone rocks, and has recently discovered how cool CD's are
06-09-2010 04:26 PM
mrcarcrazy I'll likely be upgrading my 3G for the 4. I'm looking at the Nexus 1 as well. a friend who has one loves it and says its as good or better than the iphone 4.0...

I'll be waiting for some comparisons.

Coming from a 3g to a 4 is a good step up IMO. however coming from a 3GS to a 4 is not....simlar to my opinion that 3G to 3GS is not worthwhile.

I say w/ Apple skip generations.
06-09-2010 04:18 PM
Vanimal00000 Sorry, I didn't mean to hijack if I did. Just trying to find out some info! thanks for some hawg
06-09-2010 03:40 PM
GroundHawg I've been struggling with the idea of a jailbreak since I purchased my iPhone. My warranty is out this month, so nothing is stopping me.

Jailbreaking is a hacked OS. apple has all these dumb restrictions and basically controls everything about it. Jailbreaking is how you get around that. Apple controls everything via iTunes and the app store, as those are the only places to download stuff. Being jailbroken, you can download Cydia, basically it's a hacked app store, and it has everything AT&T and apple forbid. Voice chat online, customized home screens, tethering, free games, etc. You can even hop onto other networks like Verizon or T-Mobile. This is called Unlocking. BUT, all of this comes at a price. Since a jailbroken iPhone can run 3rd party apps, it can now run viruses.

You'll still have to pay for data being jailbroken or even unlocked. AT&T tracks that stuff. And if you jailbreak and teather, be careful. It's one thing looking at you data useage of a YouTube junkie using 6GB every month, but it's tough to explain using 20GB+ when teather isn't allowed, or you didn't pay for it. I'd imagine AT&T will flag you. So be smart about it.

I was more interested in the hardware dept. That's what decides if I would get an iPhone 4. I'll get iOS4 regardless
06-09-2010 03:04 PM
Vanimal00000
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Originally Posted by PTaylor View Post
iOS 4 has already been jailbroken
I guess I thought jail breaking was putting a hacked system on a personal phone. Being able to get free apps and the like. I've done similar things to wii's and PSP's but those are emulators, more or less the same thing right? I would still have to f*** with my phone and void my warranty. But my question is still there. Is this the way to bypass the $30/month data charge? If all else fails I just won't get a smartphone and keep using my internet.
06-09-2010 02:54 PM
PTaylor iOS 4 has already been jailbroken
06-09-2010 02:17 PM
Vanimal00000 [QUOTE=Vaultzz;649081]
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Originally Posted by GroundHawg View Post
As for teathering, that's seriously bullsh*t. I already pay $30 a month for unlimited data. Now I have to pay extra to use it?/QUOTE]

I jail broke my iphone and I can tether it wirelessly to my laptop and get "free" internet anywhere I have cell coverage

The app just cost 10 bucks one time only

Fight the man!

And you can be sure that as soon as the hackers get ahold of the new iphone that they'll have a jailbreaking program up and running
This has been my argument with myself for the past couple months, I can't justify spending $30 a month on data. So if I jail broke my phone, I wouldn't have to pay for the data?
06-09-2010 02:10 PM
Vaultzz [QUOTE=GroundHawg;648909]As for teathering, that's seriously bullsh*t. I already pay $30 a month for unlimited data. Now I have to pay extra to use it?/QUOTE]

I jail broke my iphone and I can tether it wirelessly to my laptop and get "free" internet anywhere I have cell coverage

The app just cost 10 bucks one time only

Fight the man!

And you can be sure that as soon as the hackers get ahold of the new iphone that they'll have a jailbreaking program up and running
06-09-2010 01:43 PM
PTaylor for the brave and techo savy, you can upgrade some Iphones/Itouch devices to iOS 4 used on the newer iPhones.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/198378/try_ios_4_for_the_iphone_right_now.html?tk=hp_new
06-09-2010 11:35 AM
pakman55 the switching out of the unlimited data is bullcrap. i have a mi-fi for verizon. verizon doesn't offer unlimited net access for the internet devices (they do for phones) but i bought my original device with unlimited access, they let me keep it when i bought the mi-fi.
06-09-2010 11:01 AM
GroundHawg As for teathering, that's seriously bullsh*t. I already pay $30 a month for unlimited data. Now I have to pay extra to use it?

I've been hearing conflicting reports on the unlimited data. I used to be a Cellular One customer. AT&T bought them out, but I remained a Cell One customer with my old contract UNTIL I needed a new phone. New phone means new contract. New contracts mean new rules. Even when I signed up for my current iPhone, I needed a new contract. So as far as that goes, I'll play wait and see.

Thats a big issue for me. I don't have a computer. All my Internet activities are done through an iPhone. So I use like 7GB every month sure, I can leech my neighbor's WIFI, but I choose not to. I pay for my own net access...so I use it. If unlimited leaves, I'll stop with the smartphones period and get a computer. For $30 a month, it's already a rip-off.

Something just doesn't smell right. Not more than 2 months ago I read something about AT&T b*tching about Blackberries and iPhones bogging the network down and hogging all the bandwidth. Yet Tuesday AT&T comes out and says most iPhone users use less than 200MB per month. Ok..so now we aren't data hogs? It's crap like this that makes me second guess this company.
06-09-2010 09:58 AM
PTaylor Might want to read some of the fine print if you haven't already. AT&T is changing a few things. Might effect you, might not. Many people are in an uproar over some of these changes.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-30686_3-20007159-266.html

C&P:
Current iPhone subscribers are able to upgrade for the reduced prices on the iPhone 4 if their contract is up in the next six months. What about customers whose contracts will expire next year? Will they be eligible for the reduced price six months before their contract ends?
Yes, six months before their contracts expire they should be eligible. The best way to know if you are eligible for an upgrade is to log-on to your AT&T account and click on "Check Upgrade Options."

Can a current iPhone subscriber, who is not yet eligible for an upgrade at the $199 or $299 price, get a reduced price on the iPhone 4 if he upgrades early?
Yes, any current iPhone subscriber is eligible to upgrade early. The price of the phones will be $399 for the 16GB iPhone 4 and $499 for the 32GB iPhone 4. Subscribers will have to sign up for a new two-year contract.

But what if the iPhone subscriber just got her iPhone a month ago. She still has two years left on her contract. Can she still get this reduced price on the new iPhone 4?
Yes, she will still be able to upgrade for the early upgrade price.

What about a current AT&T subscriber that is using a smartphone other than an iPhone, such as a BlackBerry or the Nokia E71x? Are these subscribers eligible for an upgrade six months before their contracts end like the current iPhone users?
No, they are not eligible. Only current iPhone customers can upgrade six months early. All other AT&T subscribers must wait until their existing contracts expire.

Can non-iPhone AT&T smartphone subscribers get the early upgrade price for the iPhone 4 before their current contracts expire?
No, only current iPhone customers are able to get the early upgrade price.

Is it possible to buy the new iPhone 4 from Apple at full price and not sign up for a data plan?
No, that's not possible. All iPhones purchased from AT&T or Apple in the U.S. must be activated with a data plan. But subscribers can pay full price for the phone and not be tied to a contract. They can simply pay for their service month to month. And they are free to cancel the service at any time if they have paid full price for the phone.

Is it still possible to activate a used, hand-me-down IPhone 3G on AT&T's network?
Yes, this should not be a problem.

Can non-iPhone smartphone subscribers keep their $30 unlimited data plans or must they subscribe to one of the new AT&T data plans that are capped at 200MB and 2GB?
All current AT&T smartphone customers can keep their $30 unlimited data plan if they upgrade to an iPhone 4 once their contract expires.

FAMILY PLANS

If one person in a family plan is eligible for an upgrade, but another person in the same family is not yet eligible for an upgrade, is it possible to get two new iPhone 4's for the $199 or $299 price?
Only the person whose phone is expiring is eligible for the upgrade. The other subscriber will have to wait until his phone is eligible.

If one person in the family plan already has an iPhone and another person in the same family plan upgrades to the iPhone 4, can this new subscriber get the $30 unlimited data plan too?
No, only the current iPhone subscriber is able to hold onto the $30 unlimited data plan. The new iPhone subscribers in the family plan must sign up for either the $15 200MB plan or the $25 2GB plan.

Let's say that I have an iPhone 3GS. I'm not eligible for an upgrade, but my husband who is on my family plan and has an LG flip phone is eligible for an upgrade. Can I use his upgrade to get a new iPhone 4 for $199 or $299 for myself?
This is tricky. Technically, the answer is no. The upgrade is only for the subscriber whose contract is expiring. But a way to get around this is to "replace" the old LG phone with the iPhone 4. Then you can switch the phone numbers and continue to use the LG phone and reduce the service on that line.

TETHERING

Is the new tethering plan flexible like the iPad 3G Plan? For example, can I activate it for 30 days or 60 days while I'm traveling or is it for the duration of the two-year contract?
You can call AT&T's customer service line or go online to the AT&T Web site to add the tethering service when you need it, and then you can remove it when you don't need it. Once you have added tethering it costs $20 extra a month and you must sign up for the $25 2GB data plan.

Can I use tethering with my existing unlimited data plan?
No, you must switch to the 2GB $25 data plan if you use tethering on the iPhone.

Can you tether the iPhone in a free AT&T Wi-Fi hotspot? For example, AT&T provides free Wi-Fi to iPhone owners in its 20,000 public Wi-Fi hotspots. But it does not extend to the laptop of the iPhone owner. If I'm using the Wi-Fi with the iPhone, can I tether the iPhone to my laptop and access the Internet via Wifi also?
No, you cannot do this. The free Wi-Fi is only for iPhones. Customers who are tethering must use the 3G network when they have the iPhone connected to their laptops. And they must pay the $20 tethering fee and the $25 2GB data fee.
06-09-2010 09:27 AM
AfterMath I have no purpose for a smart phone...or applications. As long as my phone has a full keyboard I'm set.
06-09-2010 09:17 AM
GroundHawg
iPhone 4

Any of you iPhone owners buying the new one?

I don't know. Yeah, it's got a better camera with LED flash, but I rarely use the camera.

Bigger battery... But I use a Juice Pak, so I fixed my crappy one.

HD screen, I dont have a problem with the way my 3GS's screen looks.

I don't see anything that makes me want to get one. I just bought one last summer. Nothing in this new phone is wowing me into it.

Maybe next summer for me. But it better be cool. I'm thinking about a Droid next year to, so there will be competition.

Are any of you getting the new one? If so, why? I'm trying to talk myself into it, but I just can't.

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