|08-08-2010 05:46 PM|
|08-08-2010 05:40 PM|
|Ir8divr||I was at a stoplight with my 08' and on green i accelerated; i felt one tire spin (oil slick i think) and the abs, traction light and esp light all came on and have stayed on for two days. All on pavement........ I think it needs servicing........ Hope its not a ton of $$$$$$$|
|07-06-2010 07:26 PM|
Great information there Larry. Thanks for taking the time to find and post that up.
Pretty much explains it all.
|07-06-2010 05:53 PM|
|WranglerX2009||All I know is that if you want to do a donut, you gotta turn it off.............|
|07-06-2010 02:24 PM|
so far the esp has worked out well on road for me. made me think i had an LSD in the rear before i changed my diff oil and found out it was open but i turn it off while i am on the trail, and it is automatcially off when in 4low but optional in 4high and there is a sequence you can follow i found in an old JP mag that will disable it completely and it doesnt turn back on automatically when the ignition is turned off then back on, so it stays off.
for daily driving around town its fine, now if you lift it up and put big tires on it you might end up needing to disable it completely because the computer wont have the correct information being sent to it (wheel speed vs. road traveled) and will run into problems like it trying to brake on a certain corner when it shouldnt need to. not going to cause an accident but not good for the jeep either.
|07-06-2010 10:18 AM|
I got this on a link from the jeep website into the "knowledge base"
Expansion of Electronic Stability Program (ESP)
Enhances driver control and helps maintain directional stability under all conditions. It provides the greatest benefit in critical driving situations, such as turns, and is especially valuable when driving on slippery surface conditions, such as snow, ice or gravel. If there’s a discernible difference between what the driver asks through the steering wheel and the vehicle’s path, ESP will apply selective braking and throttle input
to put the vehicle back onto the driver’s intended path.
Document ID: NOJVH93332
Gulp, the situations that this mentions are scary enough, I hope the computer doesn't make any mistakes! gulp gulp.
|07-06-2010 10:13 AM|
This should help.
Electronic Stability Program (ESP)
New MK25/25E anti-lock brake system
Continental Teves’ next-generation antilock braking system, the MK25e, is making its worldwide debut on the 2005 Jeep Grand Cherokee. The MK25e is designed to prevent the wheels from locking during braking, providing increased stability and the capability to continue to steer the vehicle during hard braking. The MK25e also includes traction control (ESP), which detects wheel spin and applies the brake at the spinning wheel, effectively transferring torque to those wheels that have traction.
Electronic Stability Program (ESP) is a stability enhancement system designed to electronically detect and assist drivers in critical driving situations and under adverse conditions...automatically. Using signals from sensors throughout the vehicle, the system determines the appropriate brake and throttle adjustments for directional stability of the vehicle.
Electronic sensors are strategically placed in the vehicle, allowing ESP to analyze steering wheel activity, wheel speeds, acceleration and the vehicles' rotation about its vertical axis (technically named yaw). During motion, the collected data is continually compared to determine whether the actual course of the vehicle corresponds to the direction the driver is steering the vehicle. If not, ESP springs into action, correcting the vehicle's direction to coincide with where the driver is pointing it through a series of brake and engine interventions. The effect is to help correct oversteer and understeer and to coincide with where the driver is pointing the vehicle to help keep it on the road.
Continental Automotive Systems also will supply the 2005 Jeep Grand Cherokee with brake boosters and master cylinders, wheel speed sensors, and the seat heating modules.
In an understeer situation, the front end of the car tends to slide out. ESP automatically applies the inside, rear brake to help you acheive your desired turn. It may also reduce the engine's power.
In an oversteer situation, the rear end of the car tends to slide out or "fishtail". ESP automatically applies the outside, front brake to help you correct "fishtailing".
Advantages of ESP:
ESP constantly compares the driver's intended course with the vehicle's actual course and compensates for any differences.
ESP responds to help you drive safely whenever it senses impending wheel lock-up, wheel spin or loss of vehicle control.
It helps improve traction, maneuverability and stability in all weather conditions.
ESP Assists During All Driving Situations:
ESP functions and components
ESP operation in the WK
ESP (Electronic Stability Program) enhances directional control and reduces driving wheel spin of the vehicle under various driving conditions. ESP corrects for over/understeering of the vehicle by applying brakes to the appropriate wheel. Engine torque is also limited. The "ESP Indicator Light," located in the instrument cluster, starts to flash as soon as the tires lose traction and the ESP system becomes active.
Chrysler introduced an additional enhancement on the all-new Jeep Grand Cherokee, an electronic rollover mitigation system that extends the ESP technology and provides enhanced vehicle stability during emergency maneuvers on all surfaces. The system observes and monitors the vehicle roll attitude and lateral force to estimate the potential for a rollover situation. If necessary, the engine torque is reduced and a short burst of full braking is applied to the appropriate wheel to help stabilize the vehicle attitude and reduce the vehicle's lateral force.
These systems build on the Chrysler Group electronic chassis controls which include Anti-Lock Brake System (ABS) and All-Speed Traction Control (TCS). The Anti-Lock Brake System keeps the vehicle straight while retaining steering capability when braking on slippery surfaces by preventing wheel lock-up. It benefits from state-of the-art electronics that provide a more refined system response than in the past. All-Speed TCS enhances mobility and prevents wheel slip when accelerating on slippery surfaces. It also provides a measure of directional stability control -- an advancement beyond prior traction control systems. Using the wheel-speed sensors, it can detect excessive yaw and help keep the car on the intended course as, for instance, when accelerating around a curve.
In addition to the brake engagement at low speeds used by conventional traction control systems, All-Speed TCS uses throttle control as well. This makes the vehicle less reliant on brake application alone to maintain traction, increases the operating speed range, and more closely modulates speed and acceleration, to provide smoother operation. With All-Speed TCS reducing engine torque when accelerating, it is possible to achieve almost seamless torque application at the wheels. All-Speed TCS also benefits from state-of-the art electronics that provide a much more refined system response than in the past.
To turn the ESP system OFF, press the switch, located below the climate controls in the center stack, until the "ESP Indicator Light" in the instrument cluster turns on and the message "ESP SYSTEM DISABLED" appears in the Electronic Vehicle Information Center (EVIC). To turn the system back ON, press the switch a second time until the "ESP Indicator Light" turns off. ESP is always available during braking (in 4WD Hi) even if it has been switched off.
When the ESP system has been switched off, a feature of the system remains active. This feature functions similar to a limited slip differential and controls the wheel spin across an axle. If one wheel on an axle is spinning faster than the other, the system will apply the brake of the spinning wheel and allow more engine torque to be applied to the wheel that is not spinning.
To improve the vehicle's traction when driving with snow chains, or starting off in deep snow, sand or gravel, it may be desirable to switch off the ESP by pressing the ESP switch.
With the ESP switched off, the engine torque reduction and stability features are cancelled. Therefore, the enhanced vehicle stability offered by ESP is unavailable.
If the "ESP Indicator Light" begins to flash during acceleration, ease up on the accelerator and apply as little throttle as possible. Be sure to adapt your speed and driving to the prevailing road conditions. When the "ESP Indicator Light" is illuminated continuously, the ESP is switched off. To return to the enhanced vehicle stability offered by ESP, press the ESP switch (the "ESP Indicator Light" in the instrument cluster goes out). Avoid spinning one drive wheel. This may cause serious damage to the drive train.
The "ESP Indicator Light" comes on momentarily each time the ignition switch is turned ON.
Each time the ignition is turned ON, the ESP System will be ON even if it was turned off previously.
The ESP Control System will make buzzing or clicking sounds when it is active.
There are two Electronic Vehicle Information Center (EVIC) messages associated with the Electronic Stability Control System:
1. ESP System Disabled
This message will be displayed if the ESP System has been turned off using the switch, or if there is a temporary condition that will result in partial or no ESP function. The "ESP Indicator Light" will be on when the system is disabled or only partial function is allowed. The "ESP SYSTEM DISABLED" message and the "ESP Indicator Light" being illuminated without the switch being depressed is not an indication that service of the electronic brake system is required.
Also, the "ESP SYSTEM DISABLED" message will be present when the vehicle is shifted into 4WD LOW.
2. Service Elec Brake System
This message will be displayed if a condition exists that may require servicing the electronic brake system. When this message is displayed and the "ESP Indicator Light" is on, there is a malfunction of the ESP System. If the "SERVICE ELEC BRAKE SYSTEM" message continues to be displayed after several ignition cycles and the vehicle has been driven several miles at speeds greater than 30 mph (48 km/h), see your authorized dealer for service.
ESP (Electronic Stability Program) cannot prevent the natural laws of physics from acting on the vehicle, nor can it increase the traction afforded. The ESP cannot prevent accidents, including those resulting from excessive speed in turns, or hydroplaning. Only a safe, attentive, and skillful driver can prevent accidents. The capabilities of an ESP equipped vehicle must never be exploited in a reckless or dangerous manner which could jeopardize the user's safety or the safety of others.
|07-06-2010 10:09 AM|
It's when you can read someone's mind..
..or is it where SportCenter comes on? I can never remember.
|07-06-2010 10:09 AM|
|spleify||Like always, thanks jk'n!|
|07-06-2010 10:04 AM|
|jk'n||They have some explanations up on the jeep website. I know one thing that it is suppose to do is to use sensors to detect a rollover situation and then apply braking through the ABS and throttle adjustments through the drive by wire throttle system to try and keep the vehicle upright. This is a great on road system but it gets shut off when off road. Some may take exception about it being a good system at all. The jury is still out with me. Mine stays on when I on the road.|
|07-06-2010 09:45 AM|
Please explain the ESP system to me
I understand that you can shut it "partially off" or "full off". But I would like to know what it is and what it does.
I want to understand what it is, how it works and what it does. I believe that once you understand something fully you can utilize it fully.
Thanks as always