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07-07-2010 07:55 PM
adkjoe Yup I'm glad I live in VT, least restrictive gun state in the country... No permit requires for concealed carry and loaded guns in the vehicle is a go... .357 on my hip daily except in schools, courthouses, and federal building, it's a right not a privilege....

If I do what I do daily and then cross the imaginary line to New york it's a 7 year felony...long live VT!!
07-07-2010 07:35 PM
doclouie My NRA sticker is actually on my security sign outside my house. Ha ha.
07-07-2010 06:17 PM
baja You have time Chuckles,it will take time for the newcomers to figure out the road signs.
07-07-2010 05:07 PM
chucky cheese
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Originally Posted by toshpate View Post
wolverines!!!!!
FOR REAL IT'S TIME? I'm in the middle of cooking frenchfries!
07-07-2010 11:24 AM
toshpate I have an NRA sticker on my jeep does that count? he he and a cricket in the closet he he
07-07-2010 11:24 AM
PecosRiver Daley is a hypocrite. Lived in the Chicago area for 40 years, but not in Chicago proper. Daley owns guns. Daley used to shoot A LOT. He even owns handguns. He just keeps his gun in his Michigan house. I used to shoot with him way before he got this anti-gun chip on his shoulder. When he was the state's attorney he was less of a hypocrite. He's a bag of excrement.
07-07-2010 11:21 AM
skeeter
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Originally Posted by nick50471 View Post
I stand corrected.

What I don't understand is how local and state governments can pass laws that infringe on our Federal rights. How did it even get this far in Chicago and D.C.?

Why did it take this long for people like Heller to do something?
Because the federal government was intended to be very limited in scope. It was intended only to handle international affairs and trade issues between the states. The states themselves are supposed to operate as sovereign governments and handle their own internal affairs. Over the years progressives have butchered the original intent to give themselves more power.
As for why it's taken so long to do something. It took a long time for them to take enough from us to really start getting people pissed off. Your average conservative doesn't have a lot of time to go to rallies and such. We have jobs and responsibilities that tend to interfere with activism. Court costs are also a limiting factor, it costs a tremendous amount of money to take a case all the way to the supreme court and until recently there was no assurance we would win. The courts have been very liberal for quite some time. The NRA actually argued against taking up Heller VS. Dc , they were concerned that we would lose and set precedent against the 2nd amendment.
07-07-2010 11:05 AM
toshpate wolverines!!!!!
07-07-2010 10:58 AM
nick50471
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Originally Posted by skeeter View Post
Incorrect. The second amendment was written as a restriction on the federal government only. As were all the other rights in the bill of rights.
We just got incorporation in McDonald v. City of Chicago which makes it apply to all states and municipalities and we barely got that.
SCOTUSblog » The paradox of McDonald v. City of Chicago

Liberals do not respect the rule of law. Liberals do not respect the constitution, and when they serve as justices they will crap on your rights if it suits their agenda.
I stand corrected.

What I don't understand is how local and state governments can pass laws that infringe on our Federal rights. How did it even get this far in Chicago and D.C.?

Why did it take this long for people like Heller to do something?
07-07-2010 10:26 AM
cavediverjc
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Originally Posted by doclouie View Post
Cavediverjc-If you don't mind what did your class 3 cost you? My dad had one years ago and I am wondering if I want to go that route? You can PM me if you feel comfortable. I also have a concealed license as I always take my 45 into the mountains. There are always dangerous animals, but it is the drunk crazy people I worry about as I have had a couple run ins with them.
I'll send you a PM......
07-07-2010 10:08 AM
skeeter
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Originally Posted by nick50471 View Post
Wow this could get ugly.

The 2nd Amendment was written to include all fifty states. The last time I checked an atlas Chicago was in Illinois.
Incorrect. The second amendment was written as a restriction on the federal government only. As were all the other rights in the bill of rights.
We just got incorporation in McDonald v. City of Chicago which makes it apply to all states and municipalities and we barely got that.
SCOTUSblog » The paradox of McDonald v. City of Chicago

Liberals do not respect the rule of law. Liberals do not respect the constitution, and when they serve as justices they will crap on your rights if it suits their agenda.
07-07-2010 09:55 AM
skeeter
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Originally Posted by doclouie View Post
I agree that not everything the NRA does I support, but it is the only 2nd amendment organization I am aware of. Yes the Supreme Court had a ruling recently, but I fear the amount of time it takes to get through the court systems. I actually had a friend who was clerking for Samuel Alito when the DC decision came out. I told him I was happy with the decision, but what is this 5-4 stuff. Too many radical people are making unconstitutional laws that are fought out in our court systems over years and years. I think certain people are just trying to make gun ownership both too expensive and difficult. I grew up in Detroit and I could buy a gun for $50 illegally or legally for $500. It is the law abiding citizen that is being punished. People breaking the law do not care if a gun is legal or not.
Other 2nd amendment orgs.
Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership - Homepage

Gun Owners of America

Second Amendment Foundation Online

Women Against Gun Control is a free to join group that supports the 2nd Amendment and a woman's right to protect herself.

Liberty Belles - Second Amendment

Yep, it takes time to take back what we let the democrats take from us.
The 5 to 4 stuff is what happens when you elect a democrat to national office. No matter how they claim they stand on any issue they will still vote for a Nancy Pelosi for speaker of the house. They will still do what the party wants them to when push comes to shove, and they will still appoint and approve of activist judges that rule on feelings rather than fact and law!!!
07-07-2010 09:19 AM
doclouie Cavediverjc-If you don't mind what did your class 3 cost you? My dad had one years ago and I am wondering if I want to go that route? You can PM me if you feel comfortable. I also have a concealed license as I always take my 45 into the mountains. There are always dangerous animals, but it is the drunk crazy people I worry about as I have had a couple run ins with them.
07-06-2010 11:21 PM
nick50471 Nice.
07-06-2010 11:18 PM
cavediverjc It's amazing what a little bit of mileage (Illinois to Kansas) changes when it comes to gun laws. In Kansas, as of July 1st, the state is LOWERING the costs incurred in applying for a concealed carry permit, just to encourage more citizens to get their permits. I love it. I have my Class III permit as well, so I'm able to possess suppressors and other controlled weapons. Easy as pie!! Kansas may not be the most exciting place in the world, but when it comes to weapons and Jeeps, the sky is the limit, pretty much!!
07-06-2010 11:02 PM
doclouie I agree that not everything the NRA does I support, but it is the only 2nd amendment organization I am aware of. Yes the Supreme Court had a ruling recently, but I fear the amount of time it takes to get through the court systems. I actually had a friend who was clerking for Samuel Alito when the DC decision came out. I told him I was happy with the decision, but what is this 5-4 stuff. Too many radical people are making unconstitutional laws that are fought out in our court systems over years and years. I think certain people are just trying to make gun ownership both too expensive and difficult. I grew up in Detroit and I could buy a gun for $50 illegally or legally for $500. It is the law abiding citizen that is being punished. People breaking the law do not care if a gun is legal or not.
07-06-2010 10:05 PM
teknoid Stupid gun laws was one of the reasons I moved out of that place. As for the safety classes, I have mixed feelings. I have a CCDW, which means I took an 8 hour class and demonstrated I could hit a huge silhouette somewhere most of the time when it was ridiculously close to me.

While I believe the class and qualification are a good idea, I'm not sure if it should be mandatory. Especially since there are no gun ranges in the city of Chicago in which to hold them. Having gun owners who know the law and which end of the gun the projectiles emerge from would be a nice thing. Making laws that are impossible for some people to obey is not. Is King Richard going to provide transportation for those who can't get to a range? I'm pretty sure that weapons won't be allowed on public transportation.
07-06-2010 09:14 PM
nick50471
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Originally Posted by Jerry Bransford View Post
Well it's kind of a moot point now anyway since the Supreme Court just decided that cities, D.C., etc. cannot ban guns outright.
The Supreme court did rule in the favor of the 2nd Amendment but the mayor of Chicago has passed some very strict rules on ownership and that I believe is what this thread was referring too. I could be wrong though.
07-06-2010 09:00 PM
jpdocdave
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Originally Posted by Jerry Bransford View Post
Well it's kind of a moot point now anyway since the Supreme Court just decided that cities, D.C., etc. cannot ban guns outright.
and it took how long? this law has been in effect in chicago as long as i can remember.
07-06-2010 08:06 PM
Jerry Bransford Well it's kind of a moot point now anyway since the Supreme Court just decided that cities, D.C., etc. cannot ban guns outright.
07-06-2010 07:15 PM
pakman55 the difference between me and the guys in red dawn are that ill get away in a jeep, they had a p/u
07-06-2010 06:05 PM
nick50471 I have seen the movie "Red Dawn" so I am prepared for the commie invasion.
07-06-2010 06:01 PM
pakman55 they are going to wish they had handguns when the commies invade.
07-06-2010 05:54 PM
nick50471 Wow this could get ugly.

The 2nd Amendment was written to include all fifty states. The last time I checked an atlas Chicago was in Illinois.
07-06-2010 05:26 PM
jpdocdave cocluie, your location says in the mountains, so i assume you are not near chicago. i am an hour away. there is a ban on handgun ownership in chicago, how is that constitutional? every morning i listen to the news on my way in to work. every morning a gun goes off, and mayor daily is whining, and preaching gun control.

and do criminals care if handguns are illegal? they are criminals, illegal does not matter to them. the only people that care about illegal, are law abiding citizens that need to protect themselves from criminals.

there's a lot bigger picture when you talk about chicago, and gun laws.

now, on the flip side, there were recently two seperate instances where homeowners protected themselves, shooting and at least one killing the intruder that was armed. homeowner used an illegal hand gun to protect himself......and did not face charges.

now, where does that leave us. i'm against the chicago hand gun ban. but a law is a law, and these people did not adhere to it. personally i'm glad, but now we're getting sloppy. i think daily knew that if these people got arrested in that situation there would be a huge uproar.
07-06-2010 05:21 PM
chucky cheese
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I live in the burbs of Chicago and I think the current law is retarded. Any criminal that wants a gun can get one, albeit not legally but they really don't care if it's legal anyways. So why can't a law abiding citizen have one in their home to protect themselves?!?
A few years ago in Glenview (a Chicago suburb which has a no firearms law) a man shot and killed someone who was breaking into his home. After going through the courts they let the homeowner go without any charges.
The theory in Chicago is if you ban guns nobody will have them. Working out great isn't it.
07-06-2010 05:13 PM
ratuna I live in the burbs of Chicago and I think the current law is retarded. Any criminal that wants a gun can get one, albeit not legally but they really don't care if it's legal anyways. So why can't a law abiding citizen have one in their home to protect themselves?!?
A few years ago in Glenview (a Chicago suburb which has a no firearms law) a man shot and killed someone who was breaking into his home. After going through the courts they let the homeowner go without any charges.
07-06-2010 04:09 PM
Jerry Bransford Based on what you said, I agree with you Doclouie. I'm a former NRA member and present gun owner and while I don't believe in restrictions for gun ownership among sane non-felons, I see no problem requiring a minimum amount of gun safety training. While I generally support most of the NRA's reasons for being around, I don't march in lock-step with 100% of everything they push.
07-06-2010 03:07 PM
chucky cheese From what I read in My NRA magazines, Chicago is like a nazi state when it comes to gun ownership. I believe Mayor Daly is the main antagonist.
07-06-2010 09:51 AM
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