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09-22-2010 10:19 PM
jtsivo I traded my 2007 Unlimited with 65k on it for 16500. I got my new 2010 2dr sport for 21000 out the door. I could not pass it up, it was a good deal.
09-22-2010 09:23 PM
mattyd Ok, let me add a few facts to the stiuation...when I said I got a great deal on it 3 years ago, I mean I got a gareat deal I just didn't realize 3 yrs later it is still worth more than I paid. Currently I am paid off. And with 3 yrs of interest free and $1,000 back with Affiliate Pricing it is hard to say no.. FWIW I stoped by another dealership to look at the 2011's. Wow are they different than my 2006!!! Far more civilized! Don't know if that is quite for me ....yet.
09-22-2010 08:19 PM
pat@fieldsauto.com Jeffk42,

You are right on your initial point. If it's a too good to be true deal then take an hour or 2 and think it thru. I will say that I have seen deals pass people by due to incentives changing, dealer stair step programs ending or the month ending. Just so you and everyone else knows, all jeep dealers had a "fast start" program that ended monday night and there was big money back to the dealer if they hit the number Chrysler gave them.



You didn't rub me the wrong way at all. I am a Wrangler enthusiast(though I haven't had the $$ to do anything cool, Damn old house), but the reason I decided to join this forum was to get info on lifts, wheels and tires and also maybe even help someone when they want to buy a car(whether it be from me or any other dealer). I find that there are people who don't buy cars that often and my goal is to help them so they don't get screwed. That's why I answer questions, post pricing and also to give the other members a dealers point of view. After all, having a little insight will help when dealing.

One thing I have learned, I never take anything personally. I was brought up with morals and values, I have a heart, I believe in karma, and the car business made my skin thick, oh wait that's the gas from the pizza hut wings. Damn them
09-22-2010 07:15 PM
jeffk42
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Originally Posted by pato1031 View Post
First off I work at a dealer.....
Okay, I think we're getting a little off-point here. I'll concede that all of your scenarios are possible. Regardless, based off of the information given to us by the OP I don't think that anything I said was out of line.

To be honest, I'm a bit surprised that I'm having to defend my initial comment, which basically boils down to "don't go blindly into a deal with dollar signs in your eyes, and be careful not to get screwed".

A lot of people seem to get unnecessarily defensive on this site. But I apologize if my comment rubbed you the wrong way for some reason.
09-22-2010 07:08 PM
jz68
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Originally Posted by hdman1216 View Post
Isn't it amazing that businesses are TRYING TO MAKE MONEY. Shame on them. You must still be waiting for your hand-out from Obama.
Many dealers have started using Kelly Blue Book for trades and if a dealer won't give you close to what KBB says, tell them to stick it and go elsewhere. Remember though, KBB lists two values for the value so be sure to use the trade value and not the private party value. If they give you full value on your trade, they still make a decent profit when it sells.

Most car dealers are scum that will try to screw you every chance they get but you can find some good ones out there that would rather sell twice as many cars at half the profit than screwing people over.
09-22-2010 07:04 PM
pat@fieldsauto.com First off I work at a dealer. We have alot of customers looking for used Wranglers. So if it's a good customer that we know will wait until we get one in then we are able to offer more on trade in knowing we could probably sell it right away. Instead of making one deal why not make 2?

2. there was an article about kbb being more than a week behind imputting current auction sales.

3. At work I have a copy of kbbs retail, private party and tradein for my 2010. The retail number for it is more than what the MSRP was. Private party was a few hundred below and trade in was extremely close I think within $500. Plus with the consumer incentives, dealer discounts due to stair step programs he could have gotten a great deal and it could actually be worth more.

Case in point, bought 08 ram new when 09s were out. Had it 8 months put 15k miles on it and traded it for 300 less than what I paid. Not to say it happens all the time, but I have seen it happen. BTW- that was the only time for me. Have had 7 new chrysler products in 5 years.
09-22-2010 01:56 PM
jeffk42
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Originally Posted by pato1031 View Post
Did it ever occur to any one that maybe the car is worth more than what all the guides say online. Or that maybe that dealership has the car being traded in sold to another customer? Or quite possibly since Wranglers hold their value very well that they are giving you a fair trade in amount?
Sure, but if we're honest with ourselves, what are the odds that any of those things is the case? It's unlikely that the dealer had already sold it -- the OP said that he just brought it in to find out how much he would get, not to actually trade it. Barring any massively expensive modifications, it's unlikely that his Jeep is worth more according to KBB than it was when he bought it. And I don't care how well they hold their value, it's not going to appreciate in the first few years of ownership.
09-22-2010 01:48 PM
pat@fieldsauto.com Did it ever occur to any one that maybe the car is worth more than what all the guides say online. Or that maybe that dealership has the car being traded in sold to another customer? Or quite possibly since Wranglers hold their value very well that they are giving you a fair trade in amount?
09-22-2010 01:22 PM
jeffk42
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Originally Posted by coppa View Post
Hey.. HEY!! Don't throw mud in the swimming hole or no one's gonna want to play with you.
Hehe.

coppa where in central FL?
09-22-2010 12:19 PM
coppa
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Originally Posted by hdman1216

Isn't it amazing that businesses are TRYING TO MAKE MONEY. Shame on them. You must still be waiting for your hand-out from Obama.

Hey.. HEY!! Don't throw mud in the swimming hole or no one's gonna want to play with you.
09-22-2010 10:22 AM
yj-genral i would look at what you are taking on, instead of the "deal" your getting. you trade in now with a car payment of $XXX.XX a month, you have to add X amount to the overall since your upgrading to a new year model... and then your monthly payment becomes $XXX.XX amount... what is the difference, can you afford the difference (if any) and ALSO you would have the current jeep paid off in XX months now but with the new loan you are looking at an additional X years or months of the same payment.

bottom line, can you afford it? if so its a toss up, if you cant then forget about the temptation and move on and get yourself a new set of tires.
09-22-2010 09:21 AM
JIMBOX I wonder if OBAMA likes yellow jeeps ??


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Originally Posted by hdman1216 View Post
Isn't it amazing that businesses are TRYING TO MAKE MONEY. Shame on them. You must still be waiting for your hand-out from Obama.

JIMBVO
09-22-2010 08:34 AM
daggo66
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Originally Posted by jeffk42 View Post
I never said they shouldn't be able to make money. But I'm not going to let them bend me over, either. There's no need to be hostile.
^^I couldn't agree more, on both counts.
09-22-2010 08:27 AM
jeffk42
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Originally Posted by hdman1216 View Post
Isn't it amazing that businesses are TRYING TO MAKE MONEY. Shame on them. You must still be waiting for your hand-out from Obama.

I never said they shouldn't be able to make money. But I'm not going to let them bend me over, either. There's no need to be hostile.
09-22-2010 08:08 AM
hdman1216
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Originally Posted by jeffk42 View Post
I would automatically be wary of any dealership that offers me a "great" price for my trade-in. If they're offering you a number that you would expect to get if you sell it privately, then they're going to get that money out of you some other way.

When I ordered my JK on Monday, I brought in my car to see what they would give me for it. They offered me $1000 for a car that will get probably $3000 privately. Forget it, I'll sell it myself. But that's what can be expected from a dealer. If they had offered me $3250, I would have definitely been suspicious.

Whatever you decide, just keep in mind that a dealer probably isn't going to offer you a trade-in value that they won't eventually be able to profit from, unless they find another way to get that profit from you.
Isn't it amazing that businesses are TRYING TO MAKE MONEY. Shame on them. You must still be waiting for your hand-out from Obama.

09-22-2010 07:50 AM
jeffk42 I would automatically be wary of any dealership that offers me a "great" price for my trade-in. If they're offering you a number that you would expect to get if you sell it privately, then they're going to get that money out of you some other way.

When I ordered my JK on Monday, I brought in my car to see what they would give me for it. They offered me $1000 for a car that will get probably $3000 privately. Forget it, I'll sell it myself. But that's what can be expected from a dealer. If they had offered me $3250, I would have definitely been suspicious.

Whatever you decide, just keep in mind that a dealer probably isn't going to offer you a trade-in value that they won't eventually be able to profit from, unless they find another way to get that profit from you.
09-22-2010 07:29 AM
mattyd
Trade or No Trade??

I have been bad ...asked my buddy who is the sales manager at the Jeep dealer to work me up a trade. Dang it...now I am tempted! I get the PP pricing thru Tread Lightly. There is $1,000 off thru Chrysler till the end of September. What made me stand up and take notice is I am getting $250 more than I paid for my jeep 3 years ago. I am in need of tires as I have 42K on it. I was really thinking and still think I will keep my old TJ a few more years and then probably step up to a 4 dr Rubi. But I hate to walk past a great price on mine now.

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