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10-03-2010 02:17 PM
Bubba68CS
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Originally Posted by Bubba68CS View Post
Really? Thats how physics works? You sure? *cough cough* there are two mechanical engineering degrees hanging on my wall...trifecta being worked on *cough*

In all seriousness, no one would think twice about ramming their Jeep into a 3-4" deep puddle of air...people would, however, think twice about ramming their Jeep into a 3-4" tall rock wall at 60 mph. The same laws of physics apply in both cases...the only difference is the material. Many people do not realize that water can only soften the blow so much before it becomes a wall on its own. Hence: water is no joke.

Does that make sense? People underestimate water as, in our daily life, it is typically 'soft'.
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Originally Posted by ncossey View Post
Well you must be really freaking old then because newtons third law of motion has been around for hundreds of years.
Ummm...what does that have to do with ANYTHING I wrote?

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I dont see how you having a degree in mechanical engineering mean jack
Means I not only know the laws of physics, but how to apply them...hence pointing out the laws is completely unnecessary.

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especially since you are arguing against one of the oldest principles in physics.
I'd love for you to point out where I did that...was it here:

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The same laws of physics apply in both cases...the only difference is the material.


Dude, its VERY simple: whether hitting a rock, water, or air...the laws are the same. The results are not.
10-03-2010 11:05 AM
snopro269 The only thing that I know with water is that when a car / Jeep/ motorcycle or whatever hydroplanes means to slow your ass down your going to fast !!!!
10-03-2010 10:43 AM
ncossey
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Originally Posted by Bubba68CS

Really? Thats how physics works? You sure? *cough cough* there are two mechanical engineering degrees hanging on my wall...trifecta being worked on *cough*

In all seriousness, no one would think twice about ramming their Jeep into a 3-4" deep puddle of air...people would, however, think twice about ramming their Jeep into a 3-4" tall rock wall at 60 mph. The same laws of physics apply in both cases...the only difference is the material. Many people do not realize that water can only soften the blow so much before it becomes a wall on its own. Hence: water is no joke.

Does that make sense? People underestimate water as, in our daily life, it is typically 'soft'.
Well you must be really freaking old then because newtons third law of motion has been around for hundreds of years. I dont see how you having a degree in mechanical engineering mean jack especially since you are arguing against one of the oldest principles in physics.
10-02-2010 07:57 AM
daggo66 An AT tire is naturally not going to cut through water like a toyring tire with straight deep gooves. It will perform much better on wet roads however. 3" to 4" deep puddle? Slow the heck down. It's a Jeep not a pirate ship!
10-02-2010 07:55 AM
daggo66
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Originally Posted by ncossey View Post
Being a 31 inch tire,

Actually they are 32".
10-02-2010 01:22 AM
Bubba68CS
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Originally Posted by ncossey View Post
No, the laws of physics are no joke. With every action, there is an equal and sometimes opposite reaction. This pretty much means that if you hit a huge hole of water at 40 mph created X amount of force, that X is coming right back at you.
Really? Thats how physics works? You sure? *cough cough* there are two mechanical engineering degrees hanging on my wall...trifecta being worked on *cough*

In all seriousness, no one would think twice about ramming their Jeep into a 3-4" deep puddle of air...people would, however, think twice about ramming their Jeep into a 3-4" tall rock wall at 60 mph. The same laws of physics apply in both cases...the only difference is the material. Many people do not realize that water can only soften the blow so much before it becomes a wall on its own. Hence: water is no joke.

Does that make sense? People underestimate water as, in our daily life, it is typically 'soft'.
10-01-2010 11:48 PM
ncossey
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Water is no joke.
No, the laws of physics are no joke. With every action, there is an equal and sometimes opposite reaction. This pretty much means that if you hit a huge hole of water at 40 mph created X amount of force, that X is coming right back at you.
10-01-2010 11:45 PM
ncossey
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Originally Posted by Blackbeard1718 View Post
Well, having been an advocate for the Goodyear Wrangler Silent Armors, I was pretty disappointed with their performance three times in the last several weeks.

While they are highly rated, and are supposed to be great on dry and wet surfaces, they are NOT, in the GOOD category, when it comes to hitting a puddle with anything more than a few inches of water.

I found this out, while trying to drive in torrential downpours that we were getting the past few weeks. In three separate drives, I managed to come across puddles, with maybe 3-4" of water in them. The tires, with their grippy design, would grab at the puddles, and pull the wheel in that direction, causing my Jeep to pull hard to the left or right. It wanted to head in the direction of the puddle, and not track straight on the roadway... and these are 17" tires! They should have plowed right through those puddles, like they were nothing. However, they almost plowed me right off of the road. My wife was with me during two of those three instances, and asked me what I was doing to make the Jeep jerk like that. I had both hands on the wheel, and in the first drive that it happened, I had to turn around and head home. It was that bad.

I have driven with these tires on dry pavement and wet pavement (no puddles), and they really grip the road in both cases. No problems there. Apparently, the tread is too aggressive for Road Use, when there's more than just a wet surface to contend with. They don't like Road Puddles.

Since I drive 90% Road, and 10% Off-Road, I felt it was time to trade these for something much more road worthy and certainly safer. After doing some research, I chose the Michelin Latitude Tour Tires, in the same size as the GY Wrangler Silent Armors, 255/75R/17's.

I went back to Discount Tire, where I originally purchased the Silent Armors. Having over 6K miles on them, they took them back, gave me Full Credit for what I paid for them, $140 each X 5 = $700, plus a Refund Credit of $57 for Tax. I had also originally purchased the Tire Hazard Certificates, Lifetime Balance & Rotation, plus the TPMS Rebuild and Mounting. With the 5 Michelin's, they waived the Mounting and Balancing, waived the Lifetime Balance & Rotation, and waived the TPMS Rebuild. I ended up paying $446 out the door, for the Tires, Tire Hazard Certificates, and Road Force Balance.

They ride perfectly now! I'll see how they perform during Road Puddles, the next time I come across one.

Cheers!

BB

You do realize that the more surface area your tire has on the ground, the easier it is gonna be for you to hydroplane don't you. Having 17 inch tires has absolutely NOTHING to do with a tires ability to stay on the road. 17 inch is the circumference of the hole in the tire. You should be more concerned about the 255/75 which is the height and width of the tire. Being a 31 inch tire, I am really not that surprised that your jeep performed as such. The silent armors are heavy as hell, have a low sidewall rating, and are an all terrain tire, not really made for shedding water on pavement, more made for shedding rocks and mud offroad. The only on road benefit to the silent armor tires, well, being silent on road. Sorry to break your bubble friend, but you should have kept your tires, you now have almost no off road ability in a vehicle that was made with 70% offroad in mind, 25% on road, and 5% in the garage doing mods. Good luck with your trade I hope it works out.
10-01-2010 11:42 PM
yjkid95
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Originally Posted by Bubba68CS View Post
Not sure anything other than pizza cutters are going to plow through 3-4" puddles of water at speed. I've hit those in a number of vehicles...one time in particular, I hit one head on with my pickup and literally lost 30 mph in an instant (big splash ). Water is no joke.
Agreed once i was on a dirt road with some minor flooding ahead of me i was being a indestructable teenager (others would say idiot or dumba$$) doing 40 mph (it was a good straight away) and decided to plow into it. Huge splash like a tidal wave but i bonked my head on the steering wheel and crapped my pants.
10-01-2010 11:04 PM
Bubba68CS Not sure anything other than pizza cutters are going to plow through 3-4" puddles of water at speed. I've hit those in a number of vehicles...one time in particular, I hit one head on with my pickup and literally lost 30 mph in an instant (big splash ). Water is no joke.
10-01-2010 10:40 PM
ESP Haven't heard that about those tires yet but good to know people's experiences with them. Never really warmed up to the silent armor tires myself but I've never driven on them so I dunno.
10-01-2010 10:36 PM
Blackbeard1718
Traded The GY Wrangler Silent Armors!

Well, having been an advocate for the Goodyear Wrangler Silent Armors, I was pretty disappointed with their performance three times in the last several weeks.

While they are highly rated, and are supposed to be great on dry and wet surfaces, they are NOT, in the GOOD category, when it comes to hitting a puddle with anything more than a few inches of water.

I found this out, while trying to drive in torrential downpours that we were getting the past few weeks. In three separate drives, I managed to come across puddles, with maybe 3-4" of water in them. The tires, with their grippy design, would grab at the puddles, and pull the wheel in that direction, causing my Jeep to pull hard to the left or right. It wanted to head in the direction of the puddle, and not track straight on the roadway... and these are 17" tires! They should have plowed right through those puddles, like they were nothing. However, they almost plowed me right off of the road. My wife was with me during two of those three instances, and asked me what I was doing to make the Jeep jerk like that. I had both hands on the wheel, and in the first drive that it happened, I had to turn around and head home. It was that bad.

I have driven with these tires on dry pavement and wet pavement (no puddles), and they really grip the road in both cases. No problems there. Apparently, the tread is too aggressive for Road Use, when there's more than just a wet surface to contend with. They don't like Road Puddles.

Since I drive 90% Road, and 10% Off-Road, I felt it was time to trade these for something much more road worthy and certainly safer. After doing some research, I chose the Michelin Latitude Tour Tires, in the same size as the GY Wrangler Silent Armors, 255/75R/17's.

I went back to Discount Tire, where I originally purchased the Silent Armors. Having over 6K miles on them, they took them back, gave me Full Credit for what I paid for them, $140 each X 5 = $700, plus a Refund Credit of $57 for Tax. I had also originally purchased the Tire Hazard Certificates, Lifetime Balance & Rotation, plus the TPMS Rebuild and Mounting. With the 5 Michelin's, they waived the Mounting and Balancing, waived the Lifetime Balance & Rotation, and waived the TPMS Rebuild. I ended up paying $446 out the door, for the Tires, Tire Hazard Certificates, and Road Force Balance.

They ride perfectly now! I'll see how they perform during Road Puddles, the next time I come across one.

Cheers!

BB

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