|10-26-2010 12:32 PM|
Frame looks really nice.. Great job..Frames should always be inspected periodically.. I just swapped out my frame when i discovered a gapping hole that was hidden behind my fuel tank.. Thankfully i caught it before it broke..
|10-26-2010 11:49 AM|
|Phrankoff||All of the area of the frame that are in reach from underneath the Jeep are what I sanded and painted. Aside from taking off the tires and lifting it by the frame with a forklift, I did not go at the frame from any other angle.|
|10-26-2010 11:42 AM|
look from under the air box to straight back uner the driver side floor..
look from under the alternator to straight back under the passenger side floor...
how would i get to those areas of the frame....
|10-26-2010 11:01 AM|
Where exactly do you mean? I used a 4" wire wheel as well as a 2" one. Also I used a cup wire wheel. Looks like a vacuum cleaner attachment.
Any other area was hand sanded with 100 grit. Hard to explain but you can get the paper in any space...so I would use a long strip of it and just pull it back and forth quickly.
Think of the motion of shining a shoe. Pull on one side then the other.Repeat.A lot.
|10-26-2010 10:38 AM|
|rd-wrangler||Phrankoff, what was your technique for grinding the rust off the frame in the engine bay?|
|10-26-2010 08:11 AM|
The biggest tip I can give is patience. There will be a day/afternoon where you just don't feel like doing it- just force yourself to complete it. The plus is once you get a section done, it will make the other unpainted sections stand out a lot more. This is good and bad. Bad because it will stand out but good because it makes you want to continue and finish it.
Like I said, the majority of people can't do it all in one shot. You COULD...but it would be a long long day. Break it into sections.
|10-25-2010 05:08 PM|
Damn, came out really well.. been thinkin about grinding my yj's frame like this for a while... now i know i really want to do it. Thanks for the pics!
|10-25-2010 01:39 PM|
|rd-wrangler||hey how the hell did you get to the frame in the engine bay? it looks too tight for a drill lol|
|10-25-2010 01:19 PM|
|Phrankoff||ya its just something I noticed during the process bugged me so I took care of it. I just washed my Heep today after letting all the things that were painted cure for the weekend. Looks good! too clean for a Jeep though haha|
|10-25-2010 12:13 PM|
ooooo ok. yeah some of that is actually primer overspray lol. ill just crawl under there and spray a coat or 2 next time...when the wheel is on you cant really see it...
|10-25-2010 11:55 AM|
no problem! I was assisted by reading everyone else's write-ups
Gas tank is what I was referring to. In your second picture it is visible. The "top" or "inside" of the plate where the gas tank is- I didn't go nuts prepping it but I wiped it off and primed it/painted it while I was down there. Also you can wipe the dirt/dust of your gas tank with soap and water or windex. It comes off easily. You could hit it with a coat of black paint for consistency but don't go too nuts its not a hue deal.
I do think, however, I am going to paint my wheel wells black. Prep them with scotch brite pads and just coat em. The ones in front as well. I think I'll need more prep for that though cause its the actual color of the body
I still need to do my main skid plate underneath but nobody can see it so its ok for now
|10-25-2010 11:50 AM|
|rd-wrangler||thanks Phrankoff! your tips helped me out alot. which skid plate? the gas tank skid plate or the skid skid plate in the middle?|
|10-25-2010 11:43 AM|
lookin good! No you should not paint that.
Don't forget to hit the "inside" of the skid plate when you paint it. Not the whole thing- but there is a lip that is visible that needs to be painted. It sticks out like a sore thumb once everything else around it is painted black
keep it up
|10-25-2010 11:37 AM|
ok so i decided to start grinding rust away and painting my frame with some rusty primer and rustoelum flat black...i did the passenger and driver side...being that there are less components making it easier...overall there really wasnt that much rust my frame is solid, just little spots of surface rust, no rotting at all...anyways here are a couple pictures for your pleasure..also wasnt sure if i could paint the brake drums due to heat so i just left them alone for now..
|10-22-2010 03:21 PM|
|Phrankoff||those were the ones that I used.. haha it will take some time to do. but it is well worth it now and for a good time afterword|
|10-22-2010 02:20 PM|
|10-22-2010 12:15 PM|
|Phrankoff||What do you mean they were too small? they sell those attachments for drills and for a grinder. The one for a drill will have a long tip, obviously so it goes into the drill like a bit. The other is for a grinder.|
|10-22-2010 09:54 AM|
went to home depot last night...grabbed a couple of rusty primer and rustoleum flat black...aslo grabbed a 4" wire wheel and a 2" cup wheel..the wheels in the kit were too small. looks like im having a busy day tomorrow lol.
Thanks for all the tips and hints guys
|10-21-2010 01:53 PM|
ya those are the exact thing I was talking about.
The one on the top left is the wire wheel and the bottom right is the cup thing I was talking about. The one on the bottom left is more for wood I think... its essentially strips of sandpaper that spin like a ferris wheel. the smaller pain brush looking one is just for even smaller areas.
I don't know if you'd use the sandpaper one but definitely the wheel, the cup and the small one would be good for certain areas like around your shackles and leaf springs
|10-21-2010 01:18 PM|
BLACK AND DECKER 4-Pc. Wire Wheel Starter Set - 70-617 at The Home Depot
i found this one...
|10-21-2010 11:19 AM|
There is a kit that they sell that comes with the ones a mentioned plus another few things. Maybe you want that? I don't know. But Lemmy warn you- it gets tiringgggg.
Watch the corners and edges cause it tends to fly off. Last thing you want is a broken wrist.
And not to sound like a nerd but safety glasses! Rust doesn't feel good in the eye...in dust or chip form. I know both....twice..
|10-21-2010 10:53 AM|
|rd-wrangler||alright cool thanks again. I have a 4" grinder with several types of sandpaper attachements i will probably ened up using but i will take alook for these drill attachements when i stop at home depot. that might be easier to handle. i will also take a look at The Must for Rust product.|
|10-21-2010 10:39 AM|
It depended on the part but for 90% of it I used a drill with several attachments.. A COARSE 4" wire wheel, a FINE 4" wire wheel and a wire cup I believe its called. Each one was about 5 bucks and I only needed one of each to get through the job.
One of the biggest hints I will give you is a product called The Must For Rust. Essentially you wash the area...let it dry. Doesn't have to be 100%. Then apply this stuff from a spray bottle on rusty areas. Soaking it. Let it sit for 30 minutes and then wash it off.
I found it worked best when I did this at the local car wash. For two reasons. Number 1- when it rinses off it CAN leave a white film/residue on your concrete/asphalt. This was learned the hard way.... Number 2- I don't have a pressure washer... if you do then I would use that. But the high powered hose at the gas station worked really well.
|10-21-2010 10:32 AM|
did you use a grinder for the rust or did you just use coarse sandpaper and do it by hand?
|10-21-2010 10:17 AM|
taking the wheels off will help you so much! I know it sounds simple and obvious but I tried doing the prep with the wheels on and you just cannot reach it all.
Also don't forget the primer..obviously. I used the Rustoleum Rusty Metal Primer on the frame. Then I hit it with Rusto Hammered Black.
Another tip is Rustoleum sells a product called Universal Rustoleum Hammered... its the same color and texture except it comes in a bottle that has a squeeze handle. Also it says you can spray the can in any direction. This is paritally true. I learned it will spray upside down for a few seconds...maybe 5-7. But then you must striahgten it and regain the spray...then continue. In addition, this type of Rustoleum covers quicker and covers faster.
|10-21-2010 10:08 AM|
|10-21-2010 10:03 AM|
|rd-wrangler||alright cool thanks for al your inputs guys. Yeah i plan on going over my whole frame and grinding off the rust then painting layers of rustoleum. honestly thats the only spot that was rusted heavily but i did noticed it rusted from the inside...the rest of the frame and tub are solid with little surface rust. the gas tank skid plate was rusty as hell and even a section rotted out by the exhuast tip. i grinded the rust as much as could and sprayed rustoleum. i plan on pop riveting a piece of stainless or galvinized steel to fill the rotted hole in. but thats another story....|
|10-21-2010 09:58 AM|
^^ I know at first I was like, agh it sticks out at you but then I said, who cares, I'm safe! Plus after I painted the area around it it blends in a lot better.
Better safe than sorry
|10-21-2010 09:50 AM|
|jeeps&comics||ba BOOM! that looks heavy duty phrankoff|
|10-21-2010 09:44 AM|
If you're referring to mine.. its two different colors because of how I painted my frame/underside. Since Its my DD I couldn't do it all at once in one shot. I did it in sections.
At this point in the pic, I had done the front bumper, the plastic bumper cover, the area underneath and I used the section where I stopped as a marker of sorts. I finished the rest of the frame last night behind the wheels.
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