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04-03-2013 07:17 PM
JTPhoto JK
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Originally Posted by MI JeepSkate View Post
im a tech at discount tire, i personally wont rotate my spare and i dont recommend any of my customers to do the same. reason behind that is when you do need new tires and you have a $300 spare like i do, youll only need three, and you can take the best one off the front or rear and mount it to the carrier for your spare
And if you choose to buy a different manufactures tire you are SOL cause your brand new tire doesn't match the new set. There can be as much as 1.5" difference in size between 35" tires from different manufacturers. A worn 35" M/T can also be up to 1.5" small then it's brand new partner on the tailgate. Do you really want to run down the highway with one tire an 1" and a half larger then the rest.

Rotating all 5 does 2 important things:
- ensures that all 5 tires are the same size and wear.
- increases tire set mileage by 25%. In a 5 tire rotation, rotated every 3000 miles @ 60,000 miles on the set, each tire will only actually have 48,000 miles. Each tire has spent 12,000 miles on the carrier.

Rotate all 5 and you are not wasting money you are using up all 5 tires equalling and you will go longer before you have to buy 5 new ones.
04-03-2013 07:16 PM
wcbardwell
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Originally Posted by MI JeepSkate View Post
im a tech at discount tire, i personally wont rotate my spare and i dont recommend any of my customers to do the same. reason behind that is when you do need new tires and you have a $300 spare like i do, youll only need three, and you can take the best one off the front or rear and mount it to the carrier for your spare
I guess that MIGHT be good advice if you aren't a low mileage driver. Last thing I want is to swap in an old tire (an unused spare) that's been sitting in the sun drying out for several years... Then I'm taking a worn tire that is several years old and placing it out in the sun to bake while I replace all the others and hope I never have to actually use the spare and have it fail. If you burn through tires, go for it, otherwise I'm gonna stick to my 5 tire rotation.
04-03-2013 07:16 PM
novassfan I am in total agreement with you - did just that with my 99 Yukon that I had for 8 years and a 91 Jimmy before that.

The only caveats are that one must hope that the spare tire continues to be manufactured for a number of years into the future so that when the spare, a Goodyear Wrangler in my case, is on the vehicle the other three are identical. I was lucky because the O.E. M. Jimmy and Yukon tire were in production a long time.

Also, the used spare mounted out back needs to look good - otherwise a cover is required. I prefer to keep it without a cover because covers get extremely hot in warm weather and that can't be good for the rubber.
04-03-2013 07:15 PM
Marc W I believe in rotating the spare in for a couple of reasons.
One is I'll get 20% longer use out of the 5 as compared to just wearing 4 and letting the spare sit. That doesn't really save any money because then there's 5 tires to buy instead of 4, but.... what if I want a different tire when the time comes. I may want to go to a different size or type and having the spare be different than the others wouldn't be acceptable.
So I'll go with the added 20% and knowing that I won't have to match my spare when I'm shopping for new ones.
04-03-2013 06:58 PM
MI JeepSkate im a tech at discount tire, i personally wont rotate my spare and i dont recommend any of my customers to do the same. reason behind that is when you do need new tires and you have a $300 spare like i do, youll only need three, and you can take the best one off the front or rear and mount it to the carrier for your spare
04-03-2013 04:39 PM
azyjjk I had my dealer rotate my tires when it was serviced at 4K and they put the spare on the left rear. Will need to ask about that at the next service. I get "free" oil, filter and rotation as long as I own the vehicle, so don't want to do it or pay someone else to do it.
04-02-2013 05:13 PM
wcbardwell TireRack has some information on rotation with and without directional tires... Don't know how much it'll help, but I'll post a link below... You may want to stop by a Discount Tire or similar tire shop and see what they say... Seems like the thread has gone cold... Sorry I couldn't be more help.

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tirete....jsp?techid=43
04-02-2013 04:54 PM
BU_Jeep Thanks, that is the diagram I used... however, that's for non-directional.

My question above is regarding directional.
04-02-2013 04:02 PM
wcbardwell Just for info... Here is the diagram I use... Sorry about the quality, I am low on toner...



Attachment 230736
04-01-2013 12:03 PM
BU_Jeep
5-Tire Directional Rotation

Ok... so I have Pro Comp Xtreme A/T's. I did a 5-tire rotation using the diagram above in this thread. I just noticed that these tires are directional. Fronts are correct, backs are wrong direction. Been running them like this for about 4,000 miles. Is there a 5-tire rotation plan for directional tires?

Or does it even matter? I've read a couple forums that said the directional tread on all terrain tires is mainly for snow/mud/off-road/etc traction. As a daily driver on pavement, it doesn't really matter?

Should I stick with the 5-tire plan that I've already started, or get them back to the proper direction?
03-31-2013 06:43 PM
wcbardwell Funny thing... I wonder how long my tires are going to last... Since I average around 5,000 miles a year, my tires are being rotated every 2,500 miles... If you're wondering why, the maintenance schedule says that the tires must be rotated every 6 months or every 8,000 miles (which ever comes first)... Looks like those Duratracs are going to be waiting a long while... No worries though... Just means I can focus my attention on other things around the Jeep.
03-31-2013 06:24 PM
jbook
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Originally Posted by jadmt View Post

measure the tread depth on your in service tires and compare to the spare tread depth. You can find tread depth gauges at any auto parts store. If you have 1/16"-1/8" difference you should be ok.
Thanks! I'll have to check it out. I blame myself and the dealer. They also misinformed me that doing a 5 tire rotation isn't normal/recommended. I'm going to check it out and hopefully get that 5th into rotation.
03-31-2013 05:18 PM
jadmt
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Originally Posted by jbook View Post
So my tires have 17,000 miles and my spare is still with zero. Is it too late to start a five tire rotation? I've been having them rotates at 5,000 but just a four tire.
measure the tread depth on your in service tires and compare to the spare tread depth. You can find tread depth gauges at any auto parts store. If you have 1/16"-1/8" difference you should be ok.
03-31-2013 04:55 PM
jbook So my tires have 17,000 miles and my spare is still with zero. Is it too late to start a five tire rotation? I've been having them rotates at 5,000 but just a four tire.
03-31-2013 11:35 AM
VaderJK12 My 5-tire rotation gets done every other oil change. So every 6,000 miles.
03-30-2013 10:10 PM
tomthbomb
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Originally Posted by OatmountainAl View Post
I've been using the Rearward Cross rotation every 3,000 miles on my 2012 Wrangler Sport.
Sounds like a good plan but with the miles I drive I would be sitting in Discount tire for a couple of hours every six weeks. Don't have time for that. My tires won't last as long as yours but my company pays 55.5 cents for every mile I drive so that takes some of the pain out of it.
03-30-2013 04:58 PM
Scott2373
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Originally Posted by haden1128 View Post
What spec should you torque your lugs to?
Manual says 95ft/lbs
03-26-2013 09:55 PM
IowaRaider
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Originally Posted by jeffk42 View Post
It's not, but it should be. I saved the image to my phone because even though my service department has been great 99% of the time, they NEVER know how to rotate the spare in, and look at me like I'm crazy when I tell them I want it done. I have to show them the image and watch them write it down on the sheet before I give them the key.

If any dealership was going to know how to do that, you'd think it would be a Jeep dealership.
I bring the picture and give them a copy. They still got it wrong (kept track of stem location) so made them do it again. I'm sure they were stunned that I knew they didn't rotate them the way I wanted.
03-26-2013 09:43 PM
DurbJKU
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Originally Posted by daggo66 View Post
spare to rr, rr to fr, fr to rl, rl to fl, fl to spare

just want to keep this where I can find it when I rotate.
03-26-2013 09:36 PM
mallaki
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Originally Posted by daggo66 View Post
Look at your tire warranty pamphlet, it's in there.
Are BFGoodrich Mud Terrain T/A radial or directional?

In plain english, is it OK to do 5-tire rotation with these??
03-21-2013 02:13 PM
kenb1023 If you are doing a 5 tire rotation and then get the blow out you then convert to 4 tire rotation if the tread depth on the remaining tires is outside the limit for introducing a new tire. Most tire shops can tell you if you have crossed the line for that. 20K miles is the limit in most cases. At this point you just keep the new spare new and when it is time to replace the remaining 4 you re-start the 5 tire rotation.
IMO
03-21-2013 12:24 PM
DudeA2 Been a while since anyone posted here, but I'm in this situation so hopefully people will see this and provide thoughts.

Question for all folks saying its too late to start rotating in the spare after, say, 20-30k miles. What happens if you blow out a tire out something and have to replace it? Do you then replace all four?

That would get dang expensive. If they were all bald that would be one thing, but with 3 "decent" tires, I would just replace the one. But, I'm talking daily commuter vehicle, not precision climbing/digging machine.
02-06-2012 06:51 AM
jimmysmith
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Originally Posted by kyakobi
How to define a directional tires or undirectional tires?

are the attached tires are undirectional??
Yes those are Uni-directional, and I think someone answered already but it is an old myth that running radials in the opposite direction would cause the steel to seperate.
02-05-2012 12:05 PM
OatmountainAl
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Originally Posted by Boosta View Post
For those who got just as confused as I did...

I've been using the Rearward Cross rotation every 3,000 miles on my 2012 Wrangler Sport.
02-04-2012 08:41 PM
dakotawolf
Similar Rotation Question

Quote:
Originally Posted by haden1128 View Post
If you rotate it now and follow the rotation pattern mentioned earlier in this thread then the current spare will hit all four corners before it goes back on the carrier.
I say get it into the rotation ASAP.
I picked up a used set of Duratracs, only four of them. Love them. Only 6,000 miles when I bought them and only 8,000 miles on them now. Thinking of buying a matching spare and start in on a 5 tire rotation. Too late? They have yet to be driven off road and are in excellent condition. Thoughts anyone?
01-05-2012 12:12 AM
BillyPete
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Originally Posted by kyakobi View Post
How to define a directional tires or undirectional tires?

are the attached tires are undirectional??
Correct, those are not directional tires.

Directional tires will usually have an arrow on the sidewall showing intended rotation direction.
01-05-2012 12:01 AM
kyakobi How to define a directional tires or undirectional tires?

are the attached tires are undirectional??
01-03-2012 09:24 PM
daggo66 It might be to big of a difference in tread wear to start now.
01-03-2012 08:53 PM
cbooth Hey guys, just traded in my TJ Sport for a JK Rubicon. My JK has 23k on it as of now and I want to start a 5 tire rotation. The spare is unused. Do you think I can include it in the rotation without creating any problems?
11-18-2011 11:50 AM
oilwell1415 If possible you always want to change the direction of rotation of the non-driven tires when you rotate the tires. If you don't the non-driven tires will eventually feather and get noisy because they only do work in one direction. Changing the direction of rotation reverses the feathering (if it isn't excessive) and increases the tire life by wearing parts of the tread that were not being worn before.
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