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05-22-2007 11:09 AM
erickpl Red, thanks.

I talked with mrblaine earlier and he mentioned my pedal travel and e-brake problems are a result of my rear brakes being out of adjustment. I have plans to attack that.

I still need to address my front brakes, and I talked with mrblaine for quite a while about options, so I think I'm much better prepared with information once I address those rear brakes.
05-22-2007 10:27 AM
RedRubiTJ
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Originally Posted by RedRubiTJ View Post
Erickpl, before the upgrade they would contact immediately (no play) but they wouldn't really "grab" until more than halfway down. Now they grab immediately.
Just to be clear, the above is in reference to braking on 37's. While on OEM brakes and tires, my brakes responded immediately upon pedal depression.
05-22-2007 10:24 AM
RedRubiTJ I was good with my brakes when I was on the 31's, but it does appear that the Vanco kit I have on now is stopping better on the 37's than I was with the OEM brakes on the 31's. The currently available Vanco Big Brake upgrade runs about $750 and is available from most the good vendors.
05-22-2007 09:46 AM
JCS05Rubi how much is the kit? I got a rubi, discs all the way around like yours, but even at 31 they are scarey at times
05-22-2007 09:17 AM
RedRubiTJ Erickpl, before the upgrade they would contact immediately (no play) but they wouldn't really "grab" until more than halfway down. Now they grab immediately.
05-22-2007 07:30 AM
erickpl Redrubi, question for you. Before you put on the Vanco's, how far did you have to press your brake pedal before you felt the brakes really grabbing?

How about afterwards?
05-22-2007 12:24 AM
RedRubiTJ Welcome to WF Blaine. Just FYI, that statement was not at all in reference to the brakes, just the Jeep in general and a response to Blu's earlier post (we often get pretty OT here at WF).

You are correct in that I probably could have done it myself, but personally I am glad you did the install, you did it much faster/better than I could have and this way I am certain it was done correctly . You really can't beat having the developer of a product doing the install.
05-22-2007 12:04 AM
mrblaine
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Originally Posted by RedRubiTJ View Post
Sure I installed most everything, but all that I have on there is pretty much bolt on. Maybe someday I can get the skills to do fab work, until then I do what I can because I enjoy it, and the stuff I can't do I pay someone else.
A key point that needs to be made here is that the kit was designed to be installed with no modifications to the brake system and only a modicum of basic mechanical ability needed for the install.

I took special care and extra time on your rig just because of the nature of the testing.

Until you volunteered to help Van out, we had no idea of the outcome of bolting on the kit with tires larger than 35's which were the extent of the initial design parameters.

I have no doubts that you could have pulled off the install with no issues.
05-21-2007 10:07 PM
RedRubiTJ
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Originally Posted by bluvikng View Post
I apologize for not having that much spare time on my hands, nor the mechanical prowess, to accomplish what I want. Does that mean that I am less of a person, because I had a shop build my Jeep for me?
I hope you are not taking this personally, I am not implying that at all. I apologize if I offended. Aren't you impressed when someone makes or does something on their own? Whether it is a woodworker making a piece of furnuture, an artist and their painting, a cook and their gourmet meal or a Jeeper and their Junk , I am always impressed by people who make the time and have the skills to do it themselves.

For example, I don't think any less of people for buying manufactured coffee mugs, but I am still impressed by the stuff that tiny does. Does that make sense?

I am also not implying that I can do that all with my Jeep. Sure I installed most everything, but all that I have on there is pretty much bolt on. Maybe someday I can get the skills to do fab work, until then I do what I can because I enjoy it, and the stuff I can't do I pay someone else.
05-21-2007 08:07 PM
AzTJ I would love to work on my junk when I get it lifted but without the garage and slab under me, I'd be glad to pay a friend to work on it for me.
05-21-2007 07:57 PM
Scout Nawww...don't worry bout it Blu, I'm a check writer too.

(I'm also a rapper!)
05-21-2007 07:49 PM
bluvikng
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Originally Posted by RedRubiTJ View Post


Especially when they do it themselves instead of just driving it to a shop and cutting a check. kudos and hurry up and git er dun so we can all drool over it.

-Chuck
I apologize for not having that much spare time on my hands, nor the mechanical prowess, to accomplish what I want. Does that mean that I am less of a person, because I had a shop build my Jeep for me?
05-21-2007 07:06 PM
Rawkon Van supplied the brake kit on that big green Scout that blew a line at holcomb creek. we had to call him about some bleeding the brakes issues and that guy knows his stuff. within a couple minutes of asking a few questions he had us on the right track about the problems we were having with the calipers and now everything works great. we took the scout for a drive and locked up the brakes like they should. something he could not do before.
05-21-2007 10:40 AM
Scout Nice write-up Red. Now you've got me thinking about how crappy my brakes really are!
05-21-2007 12:54 AM
Rawkon sweeet, thanks for the write up
05-20-2007 02:06 PM
RedRubiTJ

J/K. I know a number of people think my rig is pretty big, but yours will be in completely different league - mine is pretty much all bolt on. I can't wait to see yours when it's done. Maybe someday I'll be doing something like that. Probably not, but I do admire/envy those who can and do. Especially when they do it themselves instead of just driving it to a shop and cutting a check. kudos and hurry up and git er dun so we can all drool over it.

-Chuck
05-20-2007 01:57 PM
MR.CLIFFORD 60 in the front with one ton brakes, 14 bolt in the rear with 3/4ton front brakes. I've already talked with Van about my setup. He said I will have a larger MC than most to run that large of brakes. I have hydro boost brakes on my 2500HD and love it!
05-20-2007 01:53 PM
RedRubiTJ Thanks Jack. I just kind of lucked out with the timing/location and all. A short while down the road and I would already have had them on.

Andy, I agree but I believe you are running a d60 in the front (hopefully with some good brakes as well). Running hydro on the 30/44 front with OEM knuckles and calipers is kind of pointless as those are the weak links in the system, not the OEM cylinder. Hydro on top of this would be good as well but only if you needed to run something bigger than 37's at which point you shouldn't be on a 30/44 anyways. Actually, I probably already shouldn't be on anything bigger than 35's but who am I to listen to anyone .
05-20-2007 01:28 PM
MR.CLIFFORD Hydro boost > *

I'm gonna run it on my junk.
05-20-2007 12:53 PM
1BLKJP Good stuff bro, I know I had seen over on the bbs that they had found some new parts they wanted to try out.
05-20-2007 12:16 PM
emills Glad to hear that the install went well and you are pleased with them. Now I won't fear having you me follow on the freeway anymore! :P

Eric
05-20-2007 11:20 AM
RedRubiTJ
Vanco Big Brake Review

Ok, to make a short story long here's the details:

I have an '06 SWB 4 speed auto Rubi I purchased in June '06 with currently just over 5000 miles. It’s not my daily driver but is driven daily since as soon as I get home from work the WJ gets parked and I drive the TJ around town. It also drives to the trails, mountains, beaches, etc... I finished my current build about two months ago and the specs are:

AEV Highline
Jeeperman 54 front with pre-runner
Jeeperman rear with swing away
Jeeperman rockers
Currie 4" JJ with Edelbrock Extreme Travel RR
Currie HD steering
JeepMedic T-case and engine skids
Coast CV DS
Extreme Air OBA
Warn 9.0RC
4x4 sPOD with Source
AlloyUSA shafts F & R with 30 spline outers in the front and AlloyUSA X-Joints
Precision 5.13 gears with Crane chromo diff covers
JKS BL and BMML
JKS Quicker Disconnects
Kilby fuel and steering skids
37x12.5 / r15 Goodyear MTR's
Mickey Thompson 15x8 Classic Locks (5 on 4.5 BP, 3.3125 BS)
Extended brake lines
Flowmaster Extreme Off-Road 40
Other misc junk

The current setup has about 900 miles (>200 of that on the trail) so everything is fairly new but has been well broken in.

mrblaine recently posted a need for someone dumb enough in SoCal to be running 37's on the stock axles and brakes to be a test subject for a revision to The Vanco Big Brakes with a 15" wheel and 37's. This was fantastic timing for me as I was looking to get my brakes upgraded in the very near future regardless. I normally drive quite conservative in the TJ but even with that in mind the brakes were definitely not adequate. I have been cut off a number of times and the necessary stopping power was just not there for a good comfort level. I spoke with Blaine a week ago and he proceeded to get the parts and we scheduled an install date for yesterday (5-19).

In the meantime, in order to have a descent comparison I took the TJ for a few drives to see what the current braking could do if I really pushed it. Like I said, my current tires and brakes are relatively new but have enough miles to be well broken in so it's not like they are going to get any better than they are now. When cool, the stock brakes could bring me a stop with a bare minimum of tire noise from 45 or 60 mph. There was no lock-up but you could feel that you were close with a mild noise (not chirp) coming from the tire if you really pushed the pedal down hard. After a couple of those however, the stopping power declined rapidly. I didn't take any braking distance measurements/times as I haven't come up with a location to do so.

Yesterday, I went to visit Blaine, met him for the first time and he proceeded to install the upgraded Vanco Big Brake kit. It's kind of weird for me to sit around and watch someone else work on the heep as it's not really been out of my hands much except for the muffler and gears. For those of you without, the kit consists of a (2 ea) steering knuckle, caliper, rotor and pads. We chatted a great deal but Blaine still had the old off and the new on in about 2-3 hrs including the small amount of grinding and trimming necessary for my setup. I have 15" wheels with 3 5/16" backspace and they fit with no problems. From visually examining them, it appears that you could run an inch or two more BS as well (That's not verified but that’s what it looks like to me).

After completion, I handed Blaine the keys and he proceeded to break in the brakes. By the time he was done he could lock up my 37's and lay in a 6' skid patch without much difficulty. We changed seats and I gave them a test drive. I was very pleased with the results. The brakes are firm and responsive again. They halt the 37's quite well. I am actually quite glad I ran the stock brakes for a time with the 37's as the difference between stock and The Vanco kit is amazing. I must also say that the Vanco brakes with 37's stop easier than I did with stock brakes and tires. Blaine was also amazed at how much stopping power we still got on the 37's. Personally, I was not surprised but was impressed: I expected this kind of performance from something he was involved in as although I had never met him, I’ve encountered him a great deal online over the years and abrasive as he can be he does do good work.

I discussed with Blaine his expectations of me during my testing. All he is looking for is honest feedback from me regarding the stopping performance of this upgrade of the Vanco brakes. He tells me that they will even get better with time (~400 - 800 miles).

After we parted ways I drove home. Taking the 5 Fwy North I encountered heavy traffic (yes in SoCal we have rush hour even on weekends), nothing exceptional occurred but the restored confidence from the brake response was amazing. When I see tail lights 1/4 mile ahead, I no longer need to start laying into the brakes well before I catch up to the stopped vehicles. I took Carbon Canyon home which has some 15 mph hairpin turns on a steep down grade and I had no problems flying through them and braking hard. As you can probably tell I am extremely excited and pleased with these. Personally, I can determine nothing negative about them and would definitely recommend them to anyone running oversized tires. We'll see what happens over the next few weeks as they got some more road time and I'll let you all know what happens - especially if we run into anything negative.

On another note Blaine commented on how well the rig handled (he drove it like Mario Andretti). I understand the need for long arms on anything above an RE 4.5 but between my SA lift and shocks, my Rubi handles, performs and rides much better than it did stock. Sorry for being so longwinded but I felt I should be as comprehensive as I could. Oh, and just for S&G's here is a pic of my Rubi:


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