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11-05-2010 04:55 PM
popstop785 I just hope that people who voted did so with clear logic. Hopefully the last big voting session opened peoples eyes and that voting by popularity is not smart. That voting with a well educated mind is important and required for the well being of the American people. Uneducated voting is
11-05-2010 02:48 PM
Mr. Sinister WahooWolfe: I agree completely. I've been barking up the "personal responsibility" tree for a long time now. People have become so dependent on government to oversee every aspect of their lives that I truly question WHAT it is that people really want. You want freedom to go where you choose, when you choose, but you want to be protected from the bad guys. You want to be able to speak your mind but you don't like it when someone else speaks theirs. You bitch about socialized government then you go cash your Social Security check. You want to be a parent, but you want the government and the schools to raise your kids. You want to bitch about the government, but you don't do anything about it. You want to play, but you don't want to pay.

Folks, we NEED government for some things, but we NEED to become responsible for ourselves again. We all need to learn how to compromise for the greater good. That's what being an American used to be about. One for all, all for one. Our society is sick, and if left unchecked will die. I see it every day. People just don't give a damn about anything but what they want anymore. There was a time that what was good for my neighbor was good for me. What happened to that?

Are we beyond hope? Sometimes I think so. It's a zoo out there in America. I pray to God (you can pray to Allah or Mohammad or not pray at all, see the beauty in freedom and respect for other people's freedoms?) that someone or something will unite us. 9/11 came close. It's quite a sad commentary on who we have become that it takes such a terrible act of violence and disaster to do it, but it at least showed we (well, most of us) could still come together.

All I can do is try to raise awareness, to tell others what I believe and that I'm willing to roll my sleeves up, find a middle ground and get things fixed. You might not agree and that's fine, but we are ALL going to have to work together. It's going to take a great change in our fundamental thinking as a nation to accomplish this. It needs to be about us, not I.
11-05-2010 12:35 PM
WahooWolfe
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Originally Posted by Mr. Sinister View Post
i dunno man. what are we saying by replacing self serving politicians with more self serving politicians? the whole system needs a serious overhaul.
I hear and understand the frustation in many peoples voices, but you know what, WE CAN ONLY BLAME OURSELVES. What would you propose we do to overhaul the system? Understand, I am stating this from a position of hoping to learn something here and am well intentioned.

As a kid, I always held people in legislative offices with high regard as I thought the typical altruistic outlook one does as a child. I still embrace that thought but am much more cynical than I was and question motives much more. Say for example, if I were to run for an elected office, it takes so much money to get your platform out there in front of the voters. Where do you get the money? I am not rich and could not afford to front all the money it takes to run for office. The only area I can think you can get money to run is from companies, etc. as the general public either doesn't have the money to support you in a campaign or chooses not to as they don't know about you, thus the special interest groups. Hence, you have to deal with the devil, so to speak.

I also dont know if the american public really wants to hear the truth. We have way too many entitlement programs available that sway voters, Social Security, food stamps, soon to be socialized medicine that once in place, seem to take on a life of their own. Try pulling the Social security out of the general fund and watch the other programs get impacted causing a whole cascading effect throughout our daily lives. Americans would be up in arms immediately. Why should we still have government subsidies for sheep farmers? There is so much more that needs to be cut from the government payroll.

I would love to be a representative or legislator for OUR great nation but guess what, I am a middle class guy who would cut programs to balance the budget and truly represent the constituants I would represent but I don't have any money to run nor has anyone heard of me. It's a vicious circle that unfortunately, I don't see changing anytime soon.

That being said, it's still the best nation in the world and we as voters need to exercise our right to vote rather than sit at home complaining about government. We do a disservice to our veterans that have given their lives and time to defend our great nation if we don't vote.

I'll get off my soapbox now and go jeepin' to clear my mind.

thanks,
Kent
11-05-2010 12:09 PM
KBR97 Anarchy!!!!!!!!!!!!
11-05-2010 11:14 AM
bato
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Originally Posted by adkjoe View Post
What if I don't want a leader where does that vote go? I don't need to be led I do just fine on my own.
best post in this thread IMO came from the drunk birthday boy (I just read "post your latest purchase" thread) happy birthday man!
11-05-2010 11:08 AM
Mr. Sinister
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Originally Posted by King of Beers View Post
Word to all your mothers.
11-05-2010 10:59 AM
s3nt3nc3d I'm a little late jumping in...but I'm gonna quote myself in a few places as well as quote a good friend or two of mine.

In regards to the "Did you vote?" question...

In the words of my friend, Joe:
"If you ask me if I voted, I'd tell you it's none of your business, whether I vote or not! That's like asking me who I voted for. Because you tell me you voted is no proof that you actually did!"

In regards to the overused statement, "If you don't vote, then you have no right to complain about our government."

In the words of my friend Dick, a 59 year old painter... "F*** yes I do! I pay taxes therefore I have every right to complain!"

My own $.02 on that...not only are we taxpaying American citizens, but as an American citizen, we are born under the United States Constitution. I know it seems to be thrown on the backburner a lot these days, but it still does exist and it's still supposed to protect our rights. For those of you are shocked to hear we still have a constitution, it contains this section known as the Bill of Rights, the first 10 amendments.

The first of those 10 amendments is this one:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Therefore, whether you feel we have the right to complain or not...a higher power says we do.

Now I'll add in a little more from myself...opinions...

I don't vote. If you have a problem with that, oh well. You'll get over it. I did vote when I turned 18 in the 2004 election. However, after that I opened my eyes and realized how much the two party system is a joke. While in some local politics, third parties have a decent chance of winning an election (I don't vote for the local stuff because I'm not usually educated on it...I don't pay a whole lot of attention to the city/state politics...I know I should, but I don't. Guilty as charged.), in major elections for US seats, if you don't have a D or an R next to your name, you have NO chance of winning. Especially the Presidential Election. That chance is <1%.

Have you folks ever noticed something? In most elections, have you noticed the split is nearly 50/50 for Republican candidates and Democratic candidates? Do you realize that when you look at a spectrum of political beliefs, Republicans fall on the far right while Democrats fall on the far left? Now do you really think approx half the Americans have beliefs on one end of the spectrum and the other half have beliefs that fall on the opposite side? What are the odds everybody's beliefs fall somewhere closer to the middle (not necessarily dead center...but closer).

So why is the two party system we have supposedly giving us the best choice of candidates in each election by providing a Democratic candidate and a Republican candidate? Wouldn't the best choice be to provide us with candidates who fall closer to the middle and not so far to one extreme or another? AND GIVE THEM EQUAL OPPORTUNITY OF WINNING THE ELECTION!

Another thing I disagree with....campaign ads. In years past, it was never THIS bad. This year, I would say the vast majority of campaign ads were mudslinging ads toward the opponents. For those who aren't up-to-date on that term...mudslinging is just like it sounds. The candidate focuses on anything bad they can find against the other candidate and they make an ad explaining why that candidate is NOT a good choice. It's no longer about why __________ is the best choice for governor. It's about why __________ is the worst choice for governor. There is NO integrity in our government anymore. The government is playing children's games with the elections and I refuse to take part in them.

I will exercise my right to vote when I can walk up and cast my vote for who I think is the best candidate regardless of whether there's a D or an R next to their name, and still know he has a fair chance of winning the election.
11-05-2010 10:51 AM
King of Beers Word to all your mothers.
11-05-2010 10:44 AM
ohsixteejay
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Originally Posted by adkjoe View Post
What if I don't want a leader where does that vote go? I don't need to be led I do just fine on my own.

I'm with you 100% bud couldn't of said it better.

when your born your absolutely free except for the laws of nature. If you drink you get drunk, if you get old you die, if you sit on a tack you will bleed from your A$$ this is what your born with, any government just screws you out of freedom.

I have to have a permit for that, I can only drink here and inside on Tuesdays, Wednesdays it has to be over there...blah blah blah. Our lives are controlled by ridiculous pointless and meaningless laws. The hardrive of society needs to be reformatted. Lets spend billions of dollars on the "war on drugs" so you can protect people from being up late at night with a nose bleed and a soft pee pee.

And speaking of people being to soft now days I'll probably get a warning for saying "pee pee" on a forum when all I have to do is go up to the google bar and type in the most disgusting thing I can think of and tada!
11-05-2010 10:31 AM
Mr. Sinister another major step towards corporate ownership of our government was allowing corporations to make unlimited campaign donations. why people are not more enraged by this is beyond me. think about the BILLIONS of dollars on political campaigns that will be spent on every election. think about the good that money COULD be doing.
they've given corporations license to buy elections and by doing that, buy and sell all of us. the american public has become just another commodity. it's madness and we keep letting it happen.
11-05-2010 10:22 AM
adkjoe What if I don't want a leader where does that vote go? I don't need to be led I do just fine on my own.
11-05-2010 09:32 AM
teknoid We stopped getting decent candidates when a spot on the ballot started going to the highest bidder. In the rare cases when an honest person tried to run, tons of cash were spent trashing them, their reputation, and their families. The saddest part is that this country is full of people gullible enough to believe the lies and slander, and who are not intelligent enough to research what they are fed. Lazy and stupid voters + rich and sleazy candidates = current problem.
11-05-2010 09:08 AM
adkjoe
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Originally Posted by birdhunter View Post
The people have spoken
yup the people have spoken for the same corrupt, money hungry, self serving individuals that always run for office.

As Mr. Sinister said in a previous post, we are never going to get good politicians running for office because no self respecting honest person would become a politician because of the stink that goes along with it. People always vote for change but just because it's change doesn't make it any better, the way the current system is things will never get better. Not saying I could do a better job but if you asked me I would say dump it all I don't need a leader.

Doug Stanhope said it well (I edited it for language he's got quite a fowl mouth )

In this country I see a whole lotta history; but I don’t see much of a future

They say if you give a man a fish, he’ll eat for a day, but if you teach a man to fish…. then he’s godda get a fishing licence, but he doesn’t have any money. So he’s got to get a job and get into the social security system and pay taxes, and now you’re gonna audit the poor guy, coz’ he’s not really good with math. So they will pull the IRS van up to your house, and he’ll take all your shit. He’ll take your black velvet Elvis and your Batman toothbrush, and your p*nis pump, and that all goes up for auction with the burden of proof on you because you forgot to carry the one, coz’ you were just worried about eating a damn fish, and you couldn’t even cook the fish coz’ you needed a permit for an open flame. Then the health department is going to start asking you a lot of questions about where are you going to dump the scales and the guts. ‘This is not a sanitary environment’, and ladies and gentlemen if you get sick of it all at the end of the day…it's not even legal to kill yourself in this country. Thanks again John Ashcroft you weird bible addict, can’t even handle your own drug. You were born free, you got screwed out of half of it, and you wave a flag celebrating. The only true freedom you find, is when you realise and come to terms with the fact that you are completely and unapologetically screwed, and then you are free to float around the system.
11-05-2010 09:07 AM
john's ct jeep
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Originally Posted by birdhunter View Post
Ya stood in line for a hour
We went from all dem to all rep
in wisconsin
The people have spoken
the people have spoken, yes. but do they hear what we are saying? i really hope so.
11-05-2010 07:57 AM
Mr. Sinister
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Originally Posted by birdhunter View Post
The people have spoken
i dunno man. what are we saying by replacing self serving politicians with more self serving politicians? the whole system needs a serious overhaul.
11-05-2010 07:24 AM
birdhunter Ya stood in line for a hour
We went from all dem to all rep
in wisconsin
The people have spoken
11-04-2010 05:14 PM
adkjoe "I'll be home on election day doing essentially the same thing."
11-04-2010 03:04 PM
sonofabeach some funny points here NSFW or Little Kiddo's
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11-03-2010 12:43 PM
adkjoe Yea and thank god it's over. Seriously do we need to spend money to have people on every damn corner holding candidate signs waving at you? Or the giant 60ft sign at the top of the hill "vote for Dubie" Does that really change your mind and your vote? Just makes me want to run them all down like bowling pins. Can't we just be left alone to make up our own minds? Take a couple people have them state what there for an against and let us vote instead of spending money trying to act like there your best friend, just cut out all the bull$hit. god I hate politics.

If a billboard or an idiot on the corner waving to you changes your vote I think you ate to much of the brown acid.
11-03-2010 12:20 PM
King of Beers We need politicians to make the median salary of their constituency and not be allowed any kickbacks.

It also needs to be made cheaper to be able to run for office.

99% (and I just pulled this figure out of my a$$) of our "elected" officials are rich senior citizens. Is there a better way to get out of touch with America? Rich and Old.
11-03-2010 12:08 PM
Bubba68CS
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Originally Posted by Mr. Sinister View Post
well, you can't really expect a candidate to have our best interests in mind until candidates come from working, middle class families, because that is what the majority of amercians are. i believe that honest, hard working folks don't want to be politicians, because there is an innate stink about everything politicians do. they whore themselves, play to people's fears and take the credit when something goes right, but always point the finger when something goes wrong. honest people don't want to be part of the corruption.

maybe they should teach politics in trade schools, lol.

i'm not supporting a violent overthrow of anything, but we all need to start with ourselves. when we can find a way to put our differences aside, become responsible for ourselves, be willing to help each other out, we can do great things. that is the first and hardest step. if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. i think the VAST majority of americans have bought into or been fooled into being part of the problem. politics have become a gang war, i think this election proved it. people throw labels at others who don't think the same way they do. they hate the people on the other side without taking the time to listen or reason with them.
the only sane people left are centrists, in my opinion.
I absolutely agree with this. To take that a step farther, true change won't happen until we, the working class people with actual real world skills (not degrees in politics), stop merely voting and start running for office ourselves.
11-03-2010 12:06 PM
King of Beers I just hope I get my end of the world machine (Jeep) built how i want it before this all goes down.
11-03-2010 11:54 AM
Mr. Sinister x2............
and a reloading bench.
11-03-2010 11:35 AM
adkjoe I've got enough firepower stocked up to stick out a violent overthrow
11-03-2010 11:31 AM
Mr. Sinister well, you can't really expect a candidate to have our best interests in mind until candidates come from working, middle class families, because that is what the majority of amercians are. i believe that honest, hard working folks don't want to be politicians, because there is an innate stink about everything politicians do. they whore themselves, play to people's fears and take the credit when something goes right, but always point the finger when something goes wrong. honest people don't want to be part of the corruption.

maybe they should teach politics in trade schools, lol.

i'm not supporting a violent overthrow of anything, but we all need to start with ourselves. when we can find a way to put our differences aside, become responsible for ourselves, be willing to help each other out, we can do great things. that is the first and hardest step. if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. i think the VAST majority of americans have bought into or been fooled into being part of the problem. politics have become a gang war, i think this election proved it. people throw labels at others who don't think the same way they do. they hate the people on the other side without taking the time to listen or reason with them.
the only sane people left are centrists, in my opinion.
11-03-2010 11:04 AM
Bubba68CS
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Originally Posted by mrcarcrazy View Post
I find it difficult to understand that you can't find a candidate whose beliefs are close enough to yours, and one whose beliefs are so far off from yours that you cannot choose one, if not only to prevent the other from taking office.

Voter turnout about 47 percent in Missouri - Columbia Missourian

So yeah, the majority of people in Missouri could not find a candidate worth voting for...
11-03-2010 10:20 AM
adkjoe
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Originally Posted by cavediverjc View Post
Hands down my favorite comedian of all time. It was a sad day in my house when I heard he'd died....
Saw him a number of times when I lived in Syracuse, I remember my mom calling me crying when he past. Carlin and Doug Stanhope are and were the best tell it like it is comedians.
11-03-2010 10:16 AM
cavediverjc
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Originally Posted by adkjoe View Post
O absolutely part George with a spin of me, saw him go on that rant a couple years before he died at the majestic and it always stuck with me!
Hands down my favorite comedian of all time. It was a sad day in my house when I heard he'd died....
11-03-2010 10:02 AM
GREEN-MACHINE apparently my vote did not count,,,,,, seems we voted in the same idiots that where already in office, D'OH.
11-03-2010 10:01 AM
adkjoe
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Originally Posted by cavediverjc View Post
Are you going to give Georgie Boy credit for that rant, or are you going to keep it all to yourself?
O absolutely part George with a spin of me, saw him go on that rant a couple years before he died at the majestic and it always stuck with me!
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