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11-16-2010 05:41 PM
banditman
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Originally Posted by Hilldweller View Post


The strap wasn't attached until I got ready to pull; it was just laying on the bumper while people were strolling around.
I took the class from Bruce Elfstrom....
...but Mike didn't; he's a park employee and was directing the recovery anyhow.
Sorry, I couldn't see that in the video. I sure did not mean to sound like you did something wrong. I was just pointing it out because there are many people out there that do not know that walking over a strap or a cable is a bad thing to do.
11-16-2010 05:35 AM
Hilldweller
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Originally Posted by jdhallissey View Post
I took that class in cali on recoveries (when I did my survival training out in warner springs-- week long training) Now that guy is a pure genius along with his knot knowing is just of the charts!
I'll consider myself lucky to remember a fraction of what he knows.



11-16-2010 04:50 AM
jdhallissey To tugging with the jeep I have seen tow truck drivers and other people not know how hard to tug and they pull the vehicle over to the other side lol.
11-16-2010 04:49 AM
jdhallissey Ohh yea- I have used 4 snatch blocks and 2 tow trucks with 3 separate winch lines to right a truck last week. I wish I had pictures of it. The cop looked at me and goes how are going to get that up here. I looked at him and go simple. Little geometry goes a long way. I took that class in cali on recoveries (when I did my survival training out in warner springs-- week long training) Now that guy is a pure genius along with his knot knowing is just of the charts!
11-16-2010 04:40 AM
Hilldweller
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Originally Posted by jdhallissey View Post
You did everything right. I actually try not to right somebody by tugging on them. I really only prefer a winch if available. More control on the winch then in the truck.
I agree.
I started by pulling winchline; I even blocked my front bumper up to a tree.
But Mike called for a strap, the fast-dirty-and-cheap method.
The conditions were fine though for either in this case.

I've seen some towtruck recoveries; you guys are creative geniuses...

Bruce Elfstrom writes & teaches the courses for most of the US special forces, btw. The classes are required if you're in those units. I was lucky enough to catch him in the Arizona desert at Overland Expo for civilian classes.
Fun stuff. But, like you said, in the field you'll do what's necessary.
11-16-2010 04:34 AM
jdhallissey I guess the class is a good starting point. I would take most of what he says is a joke. In most flipping of vehicles back to the rubber side down is pure common sense. I drive a tow truck and have to get really creative to get vehicles back on the road then on the truck. He is a teacher, there are many ways to skin a cat as the saying goes. You did everything right. I actually try not to right somebody by tugging on them. I really only prefer a winch if available. More control on the winch then in the truck.
11-16-2010 04:28 AM
Hilldweller
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Originally Posted by bobjenkins View Post
bill you the dude in the alan grant hat?
I'm the tall follicly-challenged chap driving the JK who later put on the Cabella's hat. The little guy in the Tilley hat with the grey shirt is The Swiss.
My hat is more Indiana Jones than Alan Grant...


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Originally Posted by jk'n View Post
Pop, I don't think many would disagree on that one. I wonder how this jeep is used daily. Or is it used only for wheeling.
I'm pretty sure that he's fairly new to wheeling and that the YJ was just one of his vehicles.
The rest of the family was in another area of the park playing with quads.


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Originally Posted by banditman View Post
I saw a few people walk over your tow strap after it was hooked up. That is a bad practice. Glad the YJ driver and passenger were OK.
The strap wasn't attached until I got ready to pull; it was just laying on the bumper while people were strolling around.
I took the class from Bruce Elfstrom....
...but Mike didn't; he's a park employee and was directing the recovery anyhow.
11-16-2010 02:02 AM
popstop785
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Originally Posted by jk'n View Post
Pop, I don't think many would disagree on that one. I wonder how this jeep is used daily. Or is it used only for wheeling.
I wonder that too. I plan to one day make my jeep just for offroading.

I plan to keep my 2009 JKU for as long as I live. I personally love the extended wheel base. I depend on it more than I realize for when I slide through soft desert dirt and do donuts... I feel more stable and less likely to tip over when I do that.

If I ever get lucky to get married and have some little jeepers, I hope to pass the jeep onto them. More of a reason to take the best of care for my jeep now.
11-15-2010 11:02 PM
monkeee2002 Glad that everyone was safe!
I am definitely going to remember to pull my hitch when I go play!
11-15-2010 10:14 PM
Schwheelz The first time i used my winch as a safety... Im REALLY glad i used it
11-15-2010 10:12 PM
Schwheelz Theres a way to get up hills that steep and steeper, yeah i may be called a few bad names but i know that ive been disconnected before and my front tires still werent on the ground and i was happy that winch was there to save my ass instead of causing a pretty hefty load in damage, nonetheless saving a life flight
11-15-2010 08:07 PM
billy_YJ
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Originally Posted by jk'n View Post
very educational in many ways bill, thanks for the post.
x2!
11-15-2010 07:52 PM
jk'n Pop, I don't think many would disagree on that one. I wonder how this jeep is used daily. Or is it used only for wheeling.
11-15-2010 07:45 PM
popstop785 I'd rather be safe and called a wimp than do something I'm not comfortable with my jeep. Besides, my jeep is my DD! If I roll it I'm going to have a problem getting to work the next day ha ha!
11-15-2010 06:25 PM
bobjenkins bill you the dude in the alan grant hat?
11-15-2010 05:50 PM
jk'n Very educational in many ways Bill, thanks for the post.
11-15-2010 05:22 PM
banditman I saw a few people walk over your tow strap after it was hooked up. That is a bad practice. Glad the YJ driver and passenger were OK.
11-15-2010 09:14 AM
ncossey Ive seen plenty of rollovers working as motor t in the marines. 9/10 someone rolls a vehicle attempting to do what others have done when they are not nearly a capable enough driver. I was in Yuma, Az one summer for some convoy security and vehicle recovery exercises, and we had a kid flip an LVS that was towing an 870 trailer with a D7 on top. Probably the hardest recovery ive done yet.
11-15-2010 09:08 AM
OregonTJ I like how the emergency flashers were on while being turned back over............
11-15-2010 08:42 AM
thaduke2003 Wow. This sways me even further over towards upgrading my cage.

Also, what the hell was he thinking leaving a drop ball on the back? Holy fulcrum, Batman! BAD idea.

Glad everyone got out safely! Another reason, yes, for recovery gear, but also for traveling in groups, and knowing your limits- Mark W.
11-15-2010 07:06 AM
Hilldweller
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Originally Posted by daggo66 View Post
The cage explains why his windshield wasn't destroyed. Did you go up that hill?
Only the tube buggy made it up.
He manually adjusted his front suspension all the way down, rear all the way up, aired-down to 4psi, and sill had to use momentum.
And the windshield was totally smashed but still in place. This dude was thinking of driving it home by knocking the windshield out completely...
He opted for AAA and a flatbed.


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Originally Posted by daggo66 View Post
Just one note, I don't think it was wise of them totry to "push" it over while you were pulling it.
I totally agree.

In any recovery effort, there's always a "leader" and you have to stick with it. I didn't think it was a good idea for them to be there with hands on, but I also didn't think there was any serious risk to them, enough to stop the recovery. The ground was fairly dry, the recovery point was solid, and the strap was in very good shape.
I thought it was a little funny that they thought they were "helping" by pushing...
11-15-2010 06:34 AM
daggo66 The cage explains why his windshield wasn't destroyed. Did you go up that hill? I'm just curious if coil vs. leaf springs in the front has any bearing. I used to have a CJ7 and I went up some hills that scared the crap out of me. The front end starts to feel very light and tends to bounce a little. I've gone up some hills in my JK that felt way too steep, but it seemed to cling like a billy goat and jump right up. It could also be a weight factor.

Glad to see that one one was injured. It's also nice to see someone who wasn't filming the carnage instead of trying to lend assistance. Just one note, I don't think it was wise of them totry to "push" it over while you were pulling it.
11-15-2010 05:56 AM
Hilldweller
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Originally Posted by Ageless Stranger View Post
Wow. What do you have to do in that situation to get the turtled Jeep running again?
Depends on the landing and what broke.
This fellow's builder had the sense to install an upgraded cage, something that I'm starting to think about...
It mitigated the damage and allowed them to have a good campfire story rather than a hospital stay.
After I righted the YJ we inspected the vitals. The 4.0L-six is famous for spilling its oil into the airbox if it rolls toward the driver's side; after we drained the oil from the airbox and let the splooge burn off for a while, it ran pretty well.

Blue smoke good; white smoke bad.



11-15-2010 05:45 AM
Ageless Stranger Wow. What do you have to do in that situation to get the turtled Jeep running again?
11-15-2010 04:41 AM
jdhallissey Yea I can tell it is steep. Brakes are very bad on hills like that. Well atleast he will get some new tube fenders a new shinny roll cage .
11-15-2010 04:35 AM
Hilldweller
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Originally Posted by jdhallissey View Post
how did he roll that? Do you have video of that? Glad everybody was alright. I have rolled a few times and the first time it was like umm crap now it is fun lol
That hill is much steeper than a picture can relate; he hit the brakes on the way down after a failed attempt, his rear springs loaded, his front unloaded, and his trailer ball dug in and pole-vaulted him.
I had been tracking him with the camera but just stopped a second before to move his wife and granddaughter out of harm's way.







11-15-2010 04:28 AM
jdhallissey how did he roll that? Do you have video of that? Glad everybody was alright. I have rolled a few times and the first time it was like umm crap now it is fun lol
11-15-2010 04:25 AM
Hilldweller
The Reason We Carry Recovery Gear

...and think safety.

Luckily nobody got hurt yesterday.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YB-cUlnAKeE

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