|04-02-2011 10:47 AM|
|04-02-2011 07:42 AM|
They removed the inner shift boot which made the thing sound like a bucket of bolts. You literally heard every gear noise, clutch noise etc. Then they tried a new inner boot - which didn't fix it. Then at Jeep's request they cut "relief" holes or cuts in the inner boot to relieve the tension. This solution didn't help and again made the vehicle sound like crap.
The last solution that was tried isn't perfect, but it is dramatically better. They had a custom inner boot (Not the outter boot you see) made out of leather. Now it hasn't seemed to pop out of gear, and you don't hear all the gear/clutch noise.
Though it doesn't pop out of gear anymore, 2nd gear is still a pain. Always requires an overly slow finessed shift. I love my Rubicon, but this transmission is a PIECE OF JUNK. Jeep should be ashamed of themselves for letting this problem go on for so many years. I'm not sure I will ever buy another Jeep again. This is supposed to be the "toughest" vehicle built and it's completely hobbled by a crappy transmission. Sad.
|04-01-2011 05:19 PM|
YouTube - VID 20110401 00006
Here's a video of mine doing it this morning. I just bought the Jeep two days ago and luckily the dealer allowed me to return it. I don't believe the leather boot is to blame because they gave me a loaner Jeep that's a six speed and it drives so much better than the one I returned.
Thank you all for keeping this forum going because it's what helped me realize I wasn't crazy for not being able to replicate it for the dealer....hence the video.
|03-06-2011 01:44 PM|
|12-22-2010 12:49 AM|
Mine was jumping out of 4th when cold outside also,dealer was no help.
So I pushed the shifter boot down past the bend and wound black electrical tape around the shifter. Had to wrap it until it was built up enough that the boot would stay down. I didn't tape the boot to shifter rod though. Now it has stayed in gear so far even with temps in the -10C. Hope this helps,if not at least its easy to remove the tape.Hope Jeep comes up with a fix soon.
|12-21-2010 10:44 PM|
I reported the matter to the following link. Is the this the correct organization?
|12-21-2010 10:22 PM|
|Boosta||Jeep Engineer..."Note to self...test the Jeep in frigid temps!" LOL!|
|12-21-2010 10:03 PM|
|Glen Hill||I have a 2011 and it pops out of 4th constantly and 2nd occasionally. I left the Jeep in reverse overnight. I had no problems today. Thanks for the advice Andrew. I look forward to Jeep coming up with a proper fix though.|
|12-17-2010 03:04 PM|
|sugaror||you guys have helped me so much with all this! I thought it was just me and thats why I went looking for a post like this! I just go tmy JK and have been driving stick for 15 years...I knew it wasn't me but this is my first jeep I thought it was a jeep thing....I'm so happy to find out its not. I just made an appointment at the Jeep dealer and am taking her in first thing on monday!|
|12-10-2010 10:34 AM|
My wife confirmed all was good this morning, so we've definitely root-caused the issue to the outer boot just like Gvfjr.
Our hypotheses is:
1) When the upper neck of the outer boot is pulled up by the shift knob, the front of the boot pulls the shifter out of 4th (and 2nd)
2) If you push the neck down away from the shift knob, the rear of the boot bunches up behind the shifter next to the console and pushes the shifter out of 4th (and 2nd)
We're going to give Jeep HQ a while to come up with a fix -- i.e. a new boot... more to follow.
|12-08-2010 10:14 PM|
I got clearance today from my service manager to cut off my boot. I'm going to leave it off for a while and see if Chrysler can come up with a fix.
|12-08-2010 04:29 PM|
|Gvfjr||Ill email you those pics.if you can post them it may help other members.|
|12-08-2010 03:55 PM|
|Nu2Jeep||Glad you got it worked out. I'm still parking mine in reverse gear and doing OK. We'll see what happens when the mercury dips below -20c.|
|12-08-2010 01:52 PM|
|Gvfjr||I completely removed the shifter boot from the metal frame its built on.I went to pepboys and bought a suede black shifter boot to fit over the metal frame and it simply is held on by a secure rubber strap sewn into the boot.very simple and highly recommended.i have pics of all the parts and disassembly if needed.|
|12-06-2010 10:39 PM|
|Gvfjr||I took the shifter boot off tonight and went for a ride.I went to a few stores locally so I did about twenty minutes worth of driving.With the shifter boot off I had no issues what so ever.I stopped at autozone and bought a cheap leather like universal shift boot for 10 dollars.It is adequate for now until I can figure something out or find a better replacement.It is the best we can hope for now.Hopefully Jeep will have a fix.Thanks for the complements earlier.If there is anything else I can do to help a fellow Jeeper just hollar.|
|12-06-2010 09:27 PM|
|J_Westy||Does the leather interior get a leather shift boot? I wonder if that would work better?|
|12-06-2010 07:37 PM|
|12-06-2010 07:37 PM|
You might read this post as well.. Lot to do with stack up of tolerances..You did a good job in analyzing the issue.. Keep up the good work !!!
|12-06-2010 07:17 PM|
|Gvfjr||Yes it is either some kind of composite or metal.|
|12-06-2010 07:05 PM|
Is there something hard under the inner-rubber boot in that section?
|12-06-2010 07:02 PM|
|Gvfjr||That and the shifter boot are causing a tight fit thus the popping of gear.JWesty Im going to take a pic right now with the console on the Jeep and the shifter boot off.Can you post that too,please?|
|12-06-2010 06:58 PM|
Are you saying you think the red circled section of the inner boot is hitting the under-side of the console?
|12-06-2010 06:56 PM|
|Gvfjr||After playing with the console, I realized that the shifter boot comes completely off the console.The two clips that are on the underside of the console ONLY hold the shifter boot in place on the console and not the console to the frame.I put the console back in the Jeep and the shifter (without the boot on) does not interfere with the shifting. I got a pic of that too if anyone needs it.Ill take my Jeep out tonight for a drive and see how everything goes.|
|12-06-2010 06:26 PM|
|Gvfjr||if you look at the last shot it is the black u-shaped piece on the shifter|
|12-06-2010 06:17 PM|
|Nu2Jeep||Nice Work Gvfjr! We're making some headway here. Sure could use a red arrow pointing to the "circular piece" in one of those pics (heading to the dealer tomorrow for that broken collar and would like to inform them). BTW, left my shifter engaged in reverse last night instead of 1st. -12c today and it never jumped out of gear when cold. In fact it shifted very well cold. Perhaps a loophole we can use until there is a proper fix. Again, well done!|
|12-06-2010 06:11 PM|
|Gvfjr||Im thinking that the slope (looking on top of the console,what we see while it is installed in the vehicle) is too far forward.The problem is if you cut that piece out,using a dremel or similiar,it will leave the rubber boot dangling because it is glued into the console.More or less it will be impossible to make this look neat if you try to remove the interfering part.Also by cutting this piece,it will remove the two clips(see the underneath pic)that seem substantial to secure the console to the interior.Im tempted to try it but with my luck Jeep will offer a recall or TSB for the offending part and mine will look like a frankenstein experiment.Ill just have to buy the new console if it ever comes to fruition.We can't be the only people that own 2011s on this forum that are experiencing this.Im pretty sure anyone in a colder climate is going to experience this.|
|12-06-2010 05:58 PM|
Gvfir -- Here are your pictures -- see below.
So you're thinking that rear edge of the inner boot is hitting the console????
Maybe those clips holding in the outer shift boot?
|12-06-2010 04:31 PM|
I sent you a PM. If you email me your pictures, I'll be happy to post them for us.
|12-06-2010 03:19 PM|
|Gvfjr||Ok guys here's the deal.I just removed the console (shifter boot assembly and cup holders).This was a HELL of a lot easier to remove then the 2010 console.Underneath this console, while looking at the shifter, there is a rubber boot that covers part of the shifter rod.Under that rubber boot there is a circular piece of metal or plastic attached to the shifter rod.This is evidently hitting the console in the 2,4,6,reverse indents.While driving around here(NJ)with the console off the temperature was 30F and the vehicle was cold.Im happy to report that there was NO jumping out of gear at anytime.The shape of the console is interfering with the positive engagements.I have pics of the interior without the console and the console itself(while removed).I may not have the ability to post pics but if you pm me i'll be happy to send them to you.For a quick fix,you may remove the shifter knob, the transfer knob and simply lift off the console(held in by clips) to fix this issue(worked for me,I will not take responsibility if you break something).You can do this as no tools were required if you dont mind the appearance of the interior.Im hoping Jeep will have a fix for this.|
|12-05-2010 06:29 PM|
|Gvfjr||I had a 2010 Jku soft top that I installed heated seats in.When I had the console apart(6spd) I didnt notice or remember what the inner boot looked like.The outer shifter boot is different on the '11 but I wonder why Jeep had to change the inner boot.|
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