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06-15-2007 05:09 AM
Originally Posted by 1BLKJP View Post
Odhinn, bro I'm not disagreeing with you boss. Hell man I live in Northern Mexico myself. We probably have more illegals in TX/AZ/CA than all other states combined.

However that being said and as much as I hate the problem when it comes down to a human rights issue we can't just let people die. Hell hospitals in California routinely patch up homeless people and dump them back on the streets before they are even healed. Those are American Citizens and they are being treated like that.

My composition was posed to ask if anyone had any idea's on a solution to the situations we all face on a daily basis.

No worries Bro, sorry if I seemed to go off.
No real solution but in a previous thread I liked what was said there. Go after the companies and people that knowingly hire them. It might not cure all of the problem but it would at least be a start. Also do not allow a person citizenship simply because they were born on American soil unless the parents are Citizens also. Another start only
06-15-2007 12:24 AM
Joe Dirt The majority of those "homeless American Citizens" are drug addicts, alcoholics, registered sex offenders and parolees. Screw them too. Get a job like the rest of us working slobs. Nobody every gave me anything. The working people of this country are tired of carrying the freeloaders (illigals, bums, ect...). If you add up sales tax, fed tax, state tax, property tax, ect, we're paying over 1/2 our income so someone else can get everything free. I'm tired.
06-14-2007 10:39 PM
kg4kpg Sorry to hear about that Ohdinn. I saw a lot of that when I was living down in S. georgia. Lots of mexican migrant workers there.

I wish there was an easy solution to all this but I don't have clue what it could be. I blame our senators and representatives. They claim to be the voice of the people but are truly the voice of their own agenda. Problem is, we all buy it. I'm sure a lot of people actually do yell at their politicians, but themajority do nothing but complain about how things are going. The deal is this...they are us. Remember too, many of them are in it for the money. A senator only has to serve 1 or 2 terms to retire without ever paying social security and make abou 200k off of us. A representative must serve 3 terms and he gets the same deal. Not to mention the huge annual pay raise they vote for themselves each year before the troops get their 2%. The bastards come home to their district now and then to have a $400/plate nner we can't go to, say they are working hard for us, then go back to Washington. Now, I'mnot talking coupe, I'm talking email and call your people and tell them to speak for you or you'll vote them out. The righteous will eventually prevail over the self-righteous. Listen for people who want to run for office who will speak the voice of the people. Tell them to stop this crazy amnesty crap, build the fence, arm the border to allow only legal immigration, and lets tell the world this is our damn country. If illegals show up, give them medacine, a couple dollars andsend them back home. Come back the right way. If you need your congressmans email, send me your zip code and I'llget it for you.
06-14-2007 07:10 PM
1BLKJP Odhinn, bro I'm not disagreeing with you boss. Hell man I live in Northern Mexico myself. We probably have more illegals in TX/AZ/CA than all other states combined.

However that being said and as much as I hate the problem when it comes down to a human rights issue we can't just let people die. Hell hospitals in California routinely patch up homeless people and dump them back on the streets before they are even healed. Those are American Citizens and they are being treated like that.

My composition was posed to ask if anyone had any idea's on a solution to the situations we all face on a daily basis.
06-14-2007 08:16 AM
Odhinn This one hits close to home with I and OC. We had to take her to the Hospital ER a few years ago for a serious situation. An Illegal that was in line behind us (I know this because He told them his home address in Mexico and that he was Illegal) was there for the Flu. They brought him in before OC. I was livid but OC calmed me down before I got arrested and we waited for about 9 hours for the proceedure. I will leave it at that and not ruffle to many feathers.

What would you all have done in this same situation and how would it affect your belief in this current problem facing the United States?
06-13-2007 06:08 PM
1BLKJP I'm all for Human Rights. I don't care where you are from or what your status is, if you have a life threatening illness/accident or need immediate medical care you should get it. Unfortunately that is going to fall to the citizens to pay for those programs.

To me it's like buying the guy that's on the corner begging a meal. I'm not going to just give him money, but I've stopped and bought him a sandwich and some water before just to make sure he's going to make it thru another day.

When you start talking about mothers coming across the border to give birth because they know they can get better care and that their baby is automatically a naturalized citizen due to being born on American dirt it's a very sticky situation.

If you really think about it there really isn't a good way to alleviate this problem. We've tried different laws about not giving non-essential care to illegals. Or not allowing them to be part of a lawsuit and collect punitive damages. However when it comes to medical care the citizens that have to deal with this on a daily basis are always going to feel they are coming out on the wrong end of the stick. People in Wisconsin, Missouri, Idaho, Montana, etc..... don't really have to deal with this type of issue on a daily basis, so they don't truly understand where article's like this are coming from.

I'm the first one to stand up and say that socialized medicine is not something that we need here in this country. It automatically takes away the incentive for people to become doctors and earn a good living. It will incite longer waits to get appointments or treatment. It will crowd the hospitals even more than they are now in some area's. In general the level of care that one should receive would suffer under plans of this nature. Finally putting the term "Socialized" in front of anything will only lead to more and more in terms of "Re-distribution of Wealth" which in 20 years leads to socialism taking hold and the constitution being tossed out the window.
06-13-2007 04:59 PM
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Parkland Memorial Hospital in Dallas , Texas is a fairly famous institution and for a variety of reasons:

1. John F. Kennedy died there in 1963
2. Lee Harvey Oswald died there shortly after
3. Jack Ruby-who killed Lee Harvey Oswald, died there a few years coincidence

'On the flip side, Parkland is also home to the second busiest maternity ward in the country with almost 16,000 new babies arriving each year. (That's almost 44 per day---every day)

A recent patient survey indicated that 70 percent of the women who gave birth at Parkland in the first three months of 2006 were illegal immigrants.That's 11,200 babies born every year just in Dallas According to the article, the hospital spent $70.7 million delivering 15,938 babies in 2004 but managed to end up with almost $8 million dollars in surplus funding. Medicaid kicked in $34.5 million, Dallas County taxpayers kicked in $31.3 million and the feds tossed in another $9.5 million.

The average patient in Parkland's maternity wards is 25 years old, married and giving birth to her second child. She is also an illegal immigrant. By law, pregnant women cannot be denied medical care based on their immigration status or ability to pay.

OK, fine. That doesn't mean they should receive better care than everyday, middle-class American citizens. But at Parkland Hospital , they do.

Parkland Memorial Hospital has nine prenatal clinics. NINE.

The Dallas Morning News article followed a Hispanic woman who was a patient at one of the clinics and pregnant with her third child---her previous two were also born at Parkland . Her first two deliveries were free and the Mexican native was grateful because it would have cost $200 to have them in Mexico This time, the hospital wants her to pay $10 per visit and $100 for the delivery but she was unsure if she could come up with the money. Not that it matters, the hospital won't turn her away. (I wonder why they even bother asking at this point.)

How long has this been going on? What are the long-term affects?

Well, another subject of the article was born at Parkland in 1986 shortly after her mother entered the U.S. illegally---now she is having her own child there as well. (That's right, she's technically a U.S. citizen.) These women receive free prenatal care including medication, nutrition, birthing classes and child care classes. They also get freebies such as car seats, bottles, diapers and formula.

Most of these things are available to American citizens as well but only for low-income applicants and even then, the red tape involved is almost insurmountable.

Because these women are illegal immigrants, they do not have to provide any sort of legitimate identification---no proof of income. An American citizen would have to provide a social security number which would reveal their annual income---an illegal immigrant need only claim to be poor and the hospital must take them at their word.

My husband is a pilot for the United States Navy (yes, he fought in Iraq ) and while the health care is good, we Navy wives don't get any of these perks! Car seats? Diapers? Not so much. So my question is this: Does our public medical care system treat illegal immigrants better than American citizens? Yes it does!

As I mentioned, the care I have received is perfectly adequate but it's bare bones, meat and potato medical care---not top of line.

Their (the illegals) medical care is free---simply because they are illegal immigrants? Once again, there is no way to verify their income.

Parkland Hospital offers indigent care to Dallas County residents who earn less than $40,000 per year. (They also have to prove that they did not refuse health coverage at their current job. Yeah, the 'free' care is not so easy for Americans.)

There are about 140 patients who received roughly $4 million dollars for un-reimbursed medical care. As it turns out, they did not qualify for free treatment because they resided outside of Dallas County So the hospital is going to sue them! Illegals get it all free! But U.S citizens who live outside of Dallas County get sued! How stupid is this?

As if that isn't annoying enough, the illegal immigrant patients are actually complaining about hospital staff not speaking Spanish. In this AP story, the author speaks with a woman who is upset that she had to translate comments from the hospital staff into Spanish for her husband. The doctor was trying to explain the situation to the family and the mother was forced to translate for her husband who only spoke Spanish. This was apparently a great injustice to her.

In an attempt to create a Spanish-speaking staff, Parkland Hospital is now providing incentives in the form of extra pay for applicants who speak Spanish. Additionally, medical students at the University of Texas Southwestern for which Parkland Hospital is the training facility will now have a Spanish language requirement added to their already jammed-packed curriculum. No other school in the country boasts such a ridiculous multi-semester (multicultural) requirement.

In the meantime, I have to end my column here. I have to go buy a car seat.'

(Ed: Sorry for the length, but this needs wide circulation----particularly to our 'employees' in Congress.)

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