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12-16-2010 12:07 PM
saltwaterwop I was confused thinking that this was an 2011 Build Sheet..

Never mind.. as you where.... Nothing to see here folks..
12-16-2010 08:24 AM
InfernoGirl Awwww I'm just foolin' with ya! Welcome to the forum
12-15-2010 08:39 PM
Snarlfax
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Originally Posted by InfernoGirl View Post
And he got a build sheet from GM???? How'd they do that?
Sorry... Chrysler... Obvious mistake. Was looking through some catalogs when I got the build so may have had GM in my muddled head.
12-15-2010 08:32 PM
Snarlfax Thanks everyone. Great info. I have done some light 4 wheeling with my Jeep, but eventually would like to get serious. I have been wheeling several times as a passenger in my friends Land Rover, and based on those experiences and his equipment, I figured I would need similar. I love driving over rough terrain, and like the thrill of a challenge. I also used to be a driver for my national guard unit and would often take the hummers and military Jeeps along the tank trails, so I have a bit of experience behind the wheel off road. Since I am new to the Jeep world, I'll take MTH's suggestion about driving stock for a while first to see what my baby will handle. I had no Idea about gear ratios when I bought the Jeep, but thanks to the forum I did shortly after joining. I was pretty pumped when I saw my build was 4:10.
As for the bumper and stinger mount, I thought it looked cool, and looked at all the bumpers that had mounts for the factory fog lights. I also liked the options for the Rugged ridge bumper. The locking storage end caps are pretty sweet as well. I didn't even consider the weight difference. Hopefully the factory springs will handle it.
12-15-2010 08:13 PM
InfernoGirl And he got a build sheet from GM???? How'd they do that?
12-15-2010 06:32 PM
daggo66 ....and if you look at the OP's Jeep profile, he has a 2007.
12-15-2010 05:48 PM
ncossey
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Originally Posted by saltwaterwop

I believe you..
It's just not listed on the Jeep site as an option is all..
Must be a "Stealth Option"
It hasnt been an option since 2007.
12-15-2010 05:48 PM
Dogzilla 4:10 was discontinued after 07. I haven't heard of it being reinstated for this year....but maybe so.
12-15-2010 05:13 PM
saltwaterwop
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Originally Posted by ncossey View Post
I have 4.10 gears from the factory on my 2007 2dr x. Alot of regular 07s that were produced in 2006 came with 4.10s. I dont even have a tow package on mine.
I believe you..
It's just not listed on the Jeep site as an option is all..
Must be a "Stealth Option"
12-15-2010 05:05 PM
ncossey
Quote:
Originally Posted by saltwaterwop
1. Something isn't right here...
Tow Group and AT give you the 3.73 gears instead of the standard 3.21
.
Rubicon gives you the 4.10
How did you get 4.10 as an option on a non Rubicon ?

Or am I missing something here ?

2. A Chip program is pretty much your only option other than gearing IMO for performance improvement.

3. Stock Skids, Meh.. Better than nothing
Add a Gas Evap canister skid ASAP if that's all you can manage at first when you get it.
I have 4.10 gears from the factory on my 2007 2dr x. Alot of regular 07s that were produced in 2006 came with 4.10s. I dont even have a tow package on mine.
12-15-2010 04:59 PM
saltwaterwop Oh yea, noticed you are getting the heavier bumper/winch hanging off the front end. So you may need to upgrade the stock front springs to stiffer ones to compensate so it doesn't droop.
12-15-2010 04:50 PM
MTH First of all, WELCOME and congrats.

Now, on to those questions . . . .

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Originally Posted by Snarlfax View Post
1. I have been reading a lot of posts with the rear axle ratios of 3.21 or 3.73(approximately because my memory sucks), but I haven't seen any with 4.10. Is this because I have a toe package and will this be a good ratio for upgrading the suspension and tires? I was thinking of a terraflex 2.5 coil lift and no Idea what tires to go with yet, but want to go a little larger.
If you're looking for low end torque, 4.10 is the best ratio you can get stock. Depending on the wheels/tires you go to, you may eventually want to regear, but you'll be able to do so knowing that you had the best stock ratio available. By contrast, I've got 3.21, so if I ever regear I'll never know if I might have been satisfied with the stock 4.10.

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2. Engine Performance. I have read many posts that state there isn't a good way to increase horsepower without spending a ton of cash. Are there any decent engine performance upgrades that will help a bit with horsepower or at least increased gas mileage? Have been looking at some computer chips, but don't really know what I should be looking for.
You have an automatic, so take a look at the Superchips Flashpaq, which is generally favorably received around here for improving the performance of autos. It'll improve your shift points for a peppier feel. Also, if you do get bigger tires, it'll fix your speedometer.

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Originally Posted by Snarlfax View Post
3. Skid plates. I have factory gas tank and transfer case skids. What else should I add and are these decent skids?
I don't have much expertise here, but I've got to ask what you plan on doing with your Jeep and how experienced of an off-roader are you?

Based on your other question below, it sounds like you simultaneously don't know much about wheeling but really want to try. That's great, but if it's the case, why not just try your Jeep stock for a while so you can get the hang of it? Keep reading this forum while you do it, and you'll learn a ton of stuff and eventually come to your own conclusions about what you need.

Honestly, you'll be very surprised at how good your Jeep handles off-road TOTALLY stock. I took mine wheeling for the first time bone stock and couldn't get the thing stuck. You'll be impressed--these JKs will run circles around the Toyota 4Runners and Nissan XTerra's etc. etc. The armor, skid plates, winches, etc. are really for those who do some serious riding, and you'll be better served to wait and see what you need before you run out and buy stuff at random.

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Originally Posted by Snarlfax View Post
4. Anything else? I'll keep reading the wealth of information posted on this forum, but for now, is there anything I definitely need to get before hitting the trails? I just purchased a Rugged Ridge winch mount bumper, a 8500lbs Rugged Ridge electric winch, storage end caps for the bumper and a stinger mount for the bumper as well.
See answer to number 3, above.

That's my two cents. Hope this helps.
12-15-2010 04:49 PM
saltwaterwop 1. Something isn't right here...
Tow Group and AT give you the 3.73 gears instead of the standard 3.21
.
Rubicon gives you the 4.10
How did you get 4.10 as an option on a non Rubicon ?

Or am I missing something here ?


2. A Chip program is pretty much your only option other than gearing IMO for performance improvement.

3. Stock Skids, Meh.. Better than nothing
Add a Gas Evap canister skid ASAP if that's all you can manage at first when you get it.
12-15-2010 04:42 PM
NHrubicon engine performance...only thing that makes any difference, and it is negligable but you WILL notice it...AiRaid or K&N filter/air intake system (easy to install, filter on both is reusable and you get increased air intake=slightly more power and maybe 1-1.5 mpg increase).
SuperChip...will finetune your engine to match your tires, AND when you upgrade with a lift and larger tires, you can reset it again...MPG increases because it lowers the stock idle speed, changes 'shift' patterns with automatics for more efficiency, etc.
Both engine improvements I can guarantee SOMEONE will chime in and say 'it didn't work, they suck, no increase, no difference'...but to anyone that drives without a heavy foot, and checks gas mileage on EVERY tank...you WILL see a difference.
As for skid plates...factory OEM skid plates are only sheet metal crappola...one good rock and you have damage. I've seen gas tank 'skid plate' torn right off on a rock. Aftermarket skid plates are going to be 3/16" to 1/4" thick...and will take a beating. You will want engine, transmission, transfer case and gas tank skids. Then differential (pumpkin) skid covers or protectors. Stinger mount for your bumper...why? All the years I've been wheeling my jeep I have not once, ever...seen anyone with a stinger USE IT for what it was built for...waste of money unless you are building a real hard core rock crawler! OTherwise it's a nice place to mount a whole lot of offroad trail lights!
Welcome to the madness...open your wallet and say goodbye to your cash...LOL
12-15-2010 04:31 PM
Snarlfax
I'm a Newb with a few questions.

Just got my build from GM thanks to posts on this site and it left me with a few questions. First, here is the build:

*E5 Prem Cloth Low-Back Bucket Seats
-DD Dk Slate Gray/Med Slate Gray
AEM Dual Top Group
AHT Trailer Tow Group
AJPS Power Convenience Group
APAS Monotone Paint
BABS 160 Amp Alternator
BC2S 600 Amp Maintenance Free Battery
BNBS Electronic Stability Control
BNMP Traction Control
BNSP Electronic Roll Mitigation
BPTP Hydraulic Assist Brake Booster
BRWS 4-Wheel Disc Brakes
CACS Low Back Bucket Seats
CDBS Reclining Front Seats
CDHP Driver Height Adjuster Seat
CFNS Rear 60/40 Folding Seat
CGWS Next Generation Front Air Bags**
CGXS RR Head Restraints Outboard Seating
CJ1 Supplemental Frt Seat Side Air Bags
CKES Front Seat Area Carpet
CKFP Rear Seat/Wheelhouse/Cargo Carpet
CKTS Cargo Tie Down Loops
CLE Front & Rear Floor Mats
CLMS Sport Bar w/Full Padding
CUFS Full Length Floor Console
CURS Rear Compartment Storage Tray
DGBS All 4-Speed Automatic Transmissions
DGV 4-Spd. Automatic VLP 42RLE Trans
DHES Man Shift-on-the-Fly Transfer Case
DJRS Next Gen. Dana 30 Solid Front Axle
DMFP 4.10 Rear Axle Ratio
DRZS Next Gen. Dana 44 HD Rear Axle
DS7S Conventional Differential Frt Axle
DS8S Conventional Differential Rear Axle
EGT 3.8L V6 SMPI Engine
GBBS Tinted Windshield Glass
GCBS Front Door Tinted Glass
GCDS Deep Tint Sunscreen Windows
GCFS Full Metal Doors w/Roll-up Windows
GFAP Rear Window Defroster
GNAS Rear View Day/Night Mirror
GNDS Driver Side Sun Visor
GNYS Passenger Side Sun Visor
GTVS Swing-Away Mirrors
GXMP Remote Keyless Entry
GXXS Sentry Key Theft Deterrent System
HAAS Air Conditioning
JA2S Instrument Cluster w/Tach
JCDS 100 MPH Primary Speedometer
JFJS Temperature & Compass Gauge
JHAS Var Intermittent Windshield Wipers
JHBP Rear Window Wiper/Washer
JJFS Single Low Note Horn
JJJS 12V Auxiliary Power Outlet
JKAS Locking Glove Box
JPBP Power Locks
JPYP Pwr Windows, Front 1-Touch Down
KESS STRIPE/BADGE/MOLDING/COLOR
K5BS STRIPE/BADGE/MOLDING/COLOR
LBBS Courtesy Lamps
LDAS Underhood Lamp
LHES Rear Dome w/On/Off Switch Lamp
LMAS Halogen Headlamps
LNJS Fog Lamps
LPSS CHMSL Lamp
LSAP Security Alarm
MBAS Painted Front Bumper
MB5S Black Rear Bumper
MFRS Black Front Frame Overlay
MFTS Body Color Grille
MRKS Tubular Side Steps
MT2S Trail Rated Badge
MVCS Jeep Badge
MYJS Sahara Badge
NAE California Emissions
NF5S 23 Gallon Fuel Tank
NHMP Speed Control
PBMA Steel Blue Metallic Clear Coat
QBMS Steel Blue Metallic Clear Coat
RC9S 6 Premium Speakers w/Subwoofer
RDDS Fixed Long Mast Antenna
RESS Media Center 130 CD/MP3
SBAS Power Rack and Pinion Steering
SCLS Leather Wrapped Steering Wheel
SDUS Heavy Duty Suspension w/Gas Shocks
SHAS Front Stabilizer Bar
SHCS Front and Rear Stabilizer Bars
SUAS Tilt Steering Column
TBBS Full Size Spare Tire
TBRS Outside Tire Carrier
TT6 P255/70R18 OWL On/Off Road Tires
TZBP Bridgestone Brand Tires
VJXP Black Easy Folding Soft Top
VKXA Black Hard Top
WKBP Matching Spare Wheel
WLZC All Aluminum Wheels
WPB 18X8.0 Aluminum Wheels
XCAS Occupant Classification System
XC8P Delete Rear Tow Hook
XEES Fuel Tank Skid Plate Shield
XEFS Transfer Case Skid Plate Shield
XEWS 2 Front & 1 Rear Tow Hooks
XE9P Transmission Skid Plate
XFNP Class II Receiver Hitch
XFUP Trailer Tow w/4-Pin Connector Wiring
XGWP Stain Repel Seat Fabric
XJFS Tethered Fuel Filler Cap
XJGS Non Locking Fuel Filler Cap
XPFS Protective Coating and Remover
X81S Instrument Panel Parts Module
X83S Front End Parts Module
X86S Complete Chassis Parts Module
X88S Tire & Wheel Parts Module
X92S Complete Body in White Parts Module
X94S Complete Painted Body Module
YAAS Build To U.S. Mkt. Specifications
ZDFP Spring - Left Front
ZFXP Spring - Left Rear
ZSGP Spring - Right Front
ZUYP Spring - Right Rear
Z5AS GVW/Payload Rating

Now for the questions

1. The Build shows I have:
DJRS Next Gen. Dana 30 Solid Front Axle
DMFP 4.10 Rear Axle Ratio
DRZS Next Gen. Dana 44 HD Rear Axle
DS7S Conventional Differential Frt Axle
DS8S Conventional Differential Rear Axle
I have been reading a lot of posts with the rear axle ratios of 3.21 or 3.73(approximately because my memory sucks), but I haven't seen any with 4.10. Is this because I have a toe package and will this be a good ratio for upgrading the suspension and tires? I was thinking of a terraflex 2.5 coil lift and no Idea what tires to go with yet, but want to go a little larger.

2. Engine Performance. I have read many posts that state there isn't a good way to increase horsepower without spending a ton of cash. Are there any decent engine performance upgrades that will help a bit with horsepower or at least increased gas mileage? Have been looking at some computer chips, but don't really know what I should be looking for.

3. Skid plates. I have factory gas tank and transfer case skids. What else should I add and are these decent skids?

4. Anything else? I'll keep reading the wealth of information posted on this forum, but for now, is there anything I definitely need to get before hitting the trails? I just purchased a Rugged Ridge winch mount bumper, a 8500lbs Rugged Ridge electric winch, storage end caps for the bumper and a stinger mount for the bumper as well.

Thanks! this is my first post other than my introduction, so let me know if I can do anything to improve.

Cheers!

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