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06-16-2007 05:44 PM
chucky cheese A customer of mine who is a retired Marine pilot has dedicated himself to educating anybody that will listen about the immigration fiasco. The day the Bill was voted on he was on two computors, cell phone, landline and hollering out the window to his neighbor about contacting any congressman or rep. to vote NO and also how they were selling out our country! He also told me the number of illegals is closer to 20 million and they send over 24 billion dollars out of this country each year!
06-16-2007 02:49 PM
skeeter
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Originally Posted by tiny terror View Post
Playing the devil's advocate but I notice no one is speaking of the Cubans who face horrible odds to cross miles of water to find true freedom here. Is it the same? Or is the fact that there doesn't seem to be an "invasion" from Cuba that makes that seem ok? Or maybe it's Castro?

I see some of the flip side. The people who are willing to live in squalor here make me think it must be really bad in Mexico. I've watched the men stand on the corners waiting for work whole days at a time, seen them be taken advantage of by employers, had them ring my bell on days like Christmas when most people are at home with their families.

No, I do think they should be gathered up and sent back to their own country. I had a friend from Switzerland who let his visa run out. Too bad. I had no sympathy for him. He knew the hoops and forgot to jump. Bye, have fun back in Europe. I jump through plenty of hoops and pay the price when I miss, but if one of the costs was having to leave, I damn well know that I wouldn't forget.

Yes, I think we should close the borders tighter than a bull's ass and patrol them armed. But I also think that everyone involved needs to step back and remember that these aren't just illegals. They're humans pushed sometimes by complete and total desperation. I think we also need to remember that there are plenty of legal Americans using the system to live, drawing our money through the creative use of paperwork to survive without working a day. Let's toss them, too.
I obviously can't speak for everyone else but i was under the impression our immigration laws applied to everyone. For me, this is not about Mexicans, and it's certainly not about legal immigrants.
I would support streamlining legal immigration but I'll be damned if I will support giving citizenship to criminals that have broken in.
As far as remembering that these people are humans, of course I do, I wouldn't support hunting permits for em or allowing people to keep them as pets.
There is nothing wrong or inhumane with kicking them the hell out.
06-16-2007 01:52 PM
Scout
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Originally Posted by Deverhart View Post
Well it looks I'm a Mexican! Adios!
06-16-2007 01:35 PM
deverhart
06-16-2007 11:47 AM
Triple88a Just watching American history X.. good movie that makes many good points!!!
06-16-2007 11:29 AM
tiny terror Maybe we should start an exchange program.
06-16-2007 11:25 AM
Triple88a
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Originally Posted by tiny terror View Post
drawing our money through the creative use of paperwork to survive without working a day. Let's toss them, too.
yep drug dealers still getting welfare check.. wtf? :chair:
06-16-2007 08:40 AM
tiny terror Playing the devil's advocate but I notice no one is speaking of the Cubans who face horrible odds to cross miles of water to find true freedom here. Is it the same? Or is the fact that there doesn't seem to be an "invasion" from Cuba that makes that seem ok? Or maybe it's Castro?

I see some of the flip side. The people who are willing to live in squalor here make me think it must be really bad in Mexico. I've watched the men stand on the corners waiting for work whole days at a time, seen them be taken advantage of by employers, had them ring my bell on days like Christmas when most people are at home with their families.

No, I do think they should be gathered up and sent back to their own country. I had a friend from Switzerland who let his visa run out. Too bad. I had no sympathy for him. He knew the hoops and forgot to jump. Bye, have fun back in Europe. I jump through plenty of hoops and pay the price when I miss, but if one of the costs was having to leave, I damn well know that I wouldn't forget.

Yes, I think we should close the borders tighter than a bull's ass and patrol them armed. But I also think that everyone involved needs to step back and remember that these aren't just illegals. They're humans pushed sometimes by complete and total desperation. I think we also need to remember that there are plenty of legal Americans using the system to live, drawing our money through the creative use of paperwork to survive without working a day. Let's toss them, too.
06-16-2007 03:41 AM
Triple88a
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Originally Posted by skeeter View Post
I'm a big boy
yeah tiny whats the matter with you dont u see his avatar?

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I completely agree with the article.. you are not suppose to be here.. get the f out... first of all you come here ILLEGALY and now i see people are forming marches and crap.. first of all you are disrespecting/breaking the laws and then you are asking the laws to be changed for you? I just hate illegals.

I my self am foreign that went through the process. My parents spend every dollar (euro to be exact) they earned to try to save up and get here, it was a lot of money, we waited long long time, we went to an interview, we pay taxes, we've done such a hard time to get here and now some one illegal gets nearly the same benefits as we do? Is that right? Should i be paying for some one to go to school that is illegal here? Should i be paying for someone to get money for having 10-15 kids that are all illegal here? There are many thing i can think of but i again dont want to sound racis.. again i hate illegals that exploit this country and make fun of it.

It doenst stop there though. Now we have multipe families living in the same house. They pay property taxes only for 1 family so the rest of the families arent contributing anything to society. Then the complainers. "Oh this country sucks.. Hey you Americans your country is stupid.. its a bad country." Meanwhile they are living here.

1 sentence.. If you are illegal, you dont belong here so get the F out.
06-16-2007 02:37 AM
skeeter
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Originally Posted by tiny terror View Post
those are some big thumbs skeet
I'm a big boy
06-15-2007 11:50 PM
1BLKJP
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Originally Posted by Hackle View Post
4 years ago AZ passed an English Only Law it is still tied up in the courts. The States try but the Federal Gov does not get it!
Along these lines I saw the Governator over in CA got in some trouble today when he told the Association of Hispanic Journalists is that as a nation we need to turn off the spanish television so that people will be forced to learn english. GO ARNIE GO
06-15-2007 10:57 PM
tiny terror those are some big thumbs skeet
06-15-2007 10:40 PM
skeeter
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Originally Posted by Odhinn View Post
We have no 2 thumbs up smiley but in full agreement.



I'm actually really impressed with the way America is waking up over this issue, I thought we were pretty much boned a couple months ago.
06-15-2007 10:28 PM
Hackle 4 years ago AZ passed an English Only Law it is still tied up in the courts. The States try but the Federal Gov does not get it!
06-15-2007 10:16 PM
Scotty355 I live 5 mins from Hazleton Pa. and if anyone hasn't seen it on tv the mayor and city counsel tried to enact an illegal immigrant law it is being fought in the courts now by the ACLU, maybe eventually going to the supreme court.
Mayor Lou Barletta for Pres!!!!!
06-15-2007 05:44 PM
jjseel Ditto
06-15-2007 08:02 AM
Odhinn We have no 2 thumbs up smiley but in full agreement.
06-15-2007 07:53 AM
kg4kpg Here is another interesting article my mother sent to me.

Let's say I break into your house

A lady wrote the best letter in the Editorials in ages!!! It explains things better than all the baloney you hear on TV.

Her point:

Recently large demonstrations have taken place
across the country protesting the fact that Congress
is finally addressing the issue of illegal immigration.

Certain people are angry that the US might protect its own
borders, might make it harder to sneak into this country and,
once here, to stay indefinitely.

Let me see if I correctly understand the thinking behind these protests. Let's say I break into your house. Let's say that when you discover me in your house, you insist that I leave.

But I say, "I've made all the beds and washed the
dishes and did the laundry and swept the floors. I've
done all the things you don't like to do. I'm hard-working
and honest (except for when I broke into your house).

According to the protesters:

You are Required to let me stay in your house
You are Required to add me to your family's insurance plan
You are Required to Educate my kids
You are Required to Provide other benefits to me & to my family

(my husband will do all of your yard work because he is also hard-working and honest, except for that breaking in part).

If you try to call the police or force me out, I will call my friends who will picket your house carrying signs that proclaim my
RIGHT to be there.

It's only fair, after all, because you have a nicer house than I do, and I'm just trying to better myself. I'm a hard-working
and honest, person, except for well, you know, I did break into your house.

And what a deal it is for me!!!

I live in your house, contributing only a fraction of the cost of my keep, and there is nothing you can do about it without being accused of cold, uncaring, selfish, prejudiced, and
bigoted behavior.

Oh yeah, I DEMAND that you to learn MY LANGUAGE!!! so you can communicate with me.

Why can't people see how ridiculous this is?! Only in America
if you agree, pass it on (in English).

Share it if you see the value of it.

If not blow it off.........
along with your future Social Security
funds, and a lot of other things.

If something like this makes me a bigot, then bigot I am.
06-15-2007 07:50 AM
Dare2BSquare Well, it looks like our "representatives" are going to take another stab at doing something. If they don't this go round, I'm voting against every one of my senators and congressmen next time they are up for reelection.
06-15-2007 06:40 AM
Odhinn There is no answer to this situation unless we close the border tighter then the USSR during the cold war era and this would fail occasionally. My issue is not with the legal immigrants that have worked their butts off to earn their right to be here. As for companies and people that hire them some of them are duped with forged papers but some companies knowingly hire them because they can get away with paying them less which in unfair for both the Illegal and American citizens. BTW most of those forged papers are Identity Theft and is also Illegal, so thats 2 strikes in my book and they should be locked up.

Just ask someone who has had their Identity stolen by an illegal how they felt when the IRS came to them asking why they didn't report the extra income and demanding payment of taxes, (This has been in the news several times).

IMO the border should be closed and our immigration laws enforced. Prosecute the coyote's (not just the ones that injure illegals), the Illegals (deportation doesn't work), and the companies that knowingly hire them. It will take a hardline at first to take care of the problem because it has been ignored for so long and our politicians only address the issue long enough to get votes.

Disclaimer: This is not directed at anyone except Illegals and our Government
06-15-2007 12:20 AM
1BLKJP
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Originally Posted by Hackle View Post
First: Jack it is not that easy to just blame the companies that hire them. They all have forged documents! Companies have no way to check these and if they do not hire them they can be sued for discrimination.
No, you are right it's not all that cut and dry, but there are plenty of cases when employers flat out know they are bringing in an illegal work force.
06-14-2007 11:13 PM
Joe Dirt You ever have to go to the emergancy room in the middle of the night? You have to wait for hours behind every illegal with a cold who goes there, gives a false name and gets free treatment. Meanwhile, my health insurance goes through the roof to make up for the bills they don't pay. I'm now a minority in CA.
06-14-2007 09:51 PM
Mike001 Yeah but its too bad no body will stand up and fix the problem. Did anyome watch the news yesterday we "whites" are going to be outnumbered in our oen country in a couple of decades. Illegals are reproducing at higher rates than us and we're pretty much screwed. I guess no one learned from the Roman Empire, well somebody better take some freakin damn notes cause we're next. BUt like you said heaven forrbid we say something because that would make us racist. We're just here makin and honest living leagally and paying taxes but illegal F**king immigrants have more goddamn rights thatn us. I have seen illegals get medical care and treated faster than an American who pays taxes and social security with a health plan. Since when did America become a Safe Haven for motherF**kers who break the law. What a bunch of hypocricy. THis BS pisses me off. I'm leavin before I get started. Before some asshole runs his/her mouth about my views piss off, I served my Country Honorably so don't be a tough guy on a Forum and run your mouth.
06-14-2007 07:23 PM
Hackle OK two points:

First: Jack it is not that easy to just blame the companies that hire them. They all have forged documents! Companies have no way to check these and if they do not hire them they can be sued for discrimination.

Second:Most of the legal mexicans that I know of are as pissed off as we are. They went through the system and now people are handed what they worked so hard to earn??? I asked one of my crew if he was going to the protest. His reply was " I am not a fecking wet back". The Mexican legals to me are more then welcome.
06-14-2007 06:43 PM
1BLKJP It's the PC world we live in. The only peoples feelings that we want to hurt live in the Middle East. Around here we will cow tow to the illegals and every politician will try to find the cheap way out of it.

Good way to keep US companies from hiring illegals.

1st Offense: 10k fine
2nd offense: 6 mos in prison
3rd offense: your business will be shut down and auctioned off.
06-14-2007 06:31 PM
Dare2BSquare Yeah, but will anyone listen to him?
06-14-2007 11:34 AM
daddyjeep How can anyone not love Charlie Daniels.
06-14-2007 08:11 AM
erickpl My wife's best friend works for Charlie Daniels and I've been to his offices in TN. I just wish he'd been there to talk to about this stuff.
06-13-2007 04:49 PM
1BLKJP Hell yeah Charlie.

I tell ya'll something. The Minutemen that we have here trying to do their thing to protect the border is going to start blowing up in cities and just not at the line. There are going to be hard working Americans taking things into their own hands a viable solution that has teeth isn't put into place soon.

Fred Thompson 2008
06-13-2007 03:39 PM
JCS05Rubi .Amen. Someone park their jeep in DC and put this album on repeat
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