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09-30-2011 08:40 AM
sneck Ah I have a '11. As sexy as those look, I'd be hesitant to take a dremal to the mounting bracket. Does the modification to get the lights to fit have any bad side-effects? And does JW tell you exactly what to cut out, or do I have to look for posts like this thread to find approx the right thing to grind?
09-30-2011 08:25 AM
Hilldweller
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Originally Posted by sneck View Post
To rebump this thread, those JW speaker lights look awesome; is the only way to get them installed to do some drastic alterations to your jeep that you wouldnt recommend, or have they been changed at all to be more plug and play friendly?
No.
It's actually gotten worse, sorta.

The '12s have the airbag sensor mounted more tamper-proof and you'd have to hump-up an additional mounting ring to shim the lights out. This mitigates much of the trimming that was previously needed; you only have to trim that outer ring. But you have to buy the ring, trim it, mount it, etc.

As for power, since a nominal 9v is all that's needed for full power, all you need is a set of pigtails with diodes and capicitors wired in. You don't need a full harness ---- just a short version. Rallylights could build it easily.
09-29-2011 11:53 AM
sneck To rebump this thread, those JW speaker lights look awesome; is the only way to get them installed to do some drastic alterations to your jeep that you wouldnt recommend, or have they been changed at all to be more plug and play friendly?
04-22-2011 09:14 AM
Hilldweller This is something I meant to upload and post a long time ago.

Before I installed the LEDs, I was curious about the PWM circuit and scoped it. This is a small slice of the spectrum analysis I did; it helped me figure out what's doing what in there, whys some things work better than others, etc.
Enjoy.

03-14-2011 11:46 AM
Hilldweller
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Originally Posted by patorz31 View Post
Hey I was wondering,since our rules (Canadian) for lighting refer back to yours; what is the legal limit for wattage for headlight bulbs? I assumed it is 55/65 as these seem to be the wattage of all stock replacements. So does anyone know what light bulbs are really legal?
Since H4s were initially only legal for motorcycles, there were bulbs put on the market specifically for them --- like the Osram Rallye 70/65.
And since it was legal then, it's still legal. Technically.
But if a Mountie gets in your face, you know how it goes.


Best combo Jake? That's hard to nail down.
If I lived in Florida or other flatland state, I guess I'd want the long-range blast from the Hella with either the Osram or Phillips bulb. I'd pair them with supplemental lighting too.
If I lived where I live, in the mountains, I'd pick Cibies or JW Speaker.
If I was a dedicated wheeler and thrashing my Jeep more, those Trucklites would be my pick for their ruggedness.
And if I liked the light from HID, I'd score the Valeo/Sylvania lights.

It's not really a one size fits all thing.
03-14-2011 11:13 AM
patorz31 Hey I was wondering,since our rules (Canadian) for lighting refer back to yours; what is the legal limit for wattage for headlight bulbs? I assumed it is 55/65 as these seem to be the wattage of all stock replacements. So does anyone know what light bulbs are really legal?
03-13-2011 01:13 PM
JeeperJake Hilldweller: Please clarify your final, or at least current, "best" headlight combo package. I appreciate immensely your detailed photos & meter readings.

So far I reallyReally like the +80s you suggested. I'm not sure whether I need to further upgrade to upscale reflectors.

What is your final "best most economical choice" and cost if you don't mind posting?

So far I've left the stock 08 fog lights alone. Usually Jan/Feb this area has heavy monster fog regularly over a period of weeks but this season seems to have only the standard non-pervasive version that dissolves normally. The standard bulbs seem to work well enough for my purposes in that use.
03-13-2011 09:42 AM
Hilldweller Some numbers for the Phillips Xtreme +80 H4 bulbs in a Hella H4 reflector; bulbs are harnessed/relayed for optimal power.

Lowbeam value in blue, high in red.

LUX at 25 feet, sensor moved to highest output spot. 695/1619
Holy crap.

25 yards Right: 66/45 * Left: 2/2

50 yards Right: 10/30 * Left: 3/3

75 yards Right: 3/16 * Left: 2/2

And we measured 6 LUX dead center at 125 yards, unassisted by any supplemental driving lights. The Hella reflectors have a tremendous middle-of-the-road hot-spot, a little too much foreground light, and not enough off to the sides. But with a pair of supplemental lights to provide some light to the sides, they'd give you the most total light so far. The highbeams are a little too high as well ---- but a remarkable focus...



Pics:

Lowbeam


Highbeam


The lights lit up the rooftops in the neighborhood past the woods. You could see our shadows on the houses; about a quarter mile as the crow flies...
03-13-2011 09:41 AM
Hilldweller Some numbers for the Delta Blue H4 "Xenon" bulbs in a Hella H4 reflector; bulbs are harnessed/relayed for optimal power.

Lowbeam value in blue, high in red.

LUX at 25 feet, sensor moved to highest output spot. 339/653

25 yards Right: 20/33 * Left: 1/2

50 yards Right: 2/20 * Left: 1/2

75 yards Right: 1/9 * Left: 1/2



Pics:

Lowbeam


Highbeam


These bulbs yielded a very white light --- but not much of it. They also hurt our eyes when we did the "walk toward the Jeep" test, no matter if they were high or lowbeam.
Nobody wanted to take them home...
02-21-2011 01:19 PM
Hilldweller
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Originally Posted by JeeperJake View Post
Other than aiming away from oncoming traffic, what is the rationale for the marked differences L/R lux readings, and just how is this accomplished?
I set my cones at intervals on the right and left side and measured the LUX at the exact same height each time. The reason being that straight-line illumination is a given at maximum intensity; every light brags about that. Fine.
But I want to see the dog/deer/kid before they're in front of me if I can. A good amount of light off to the sides can be the difference between "whoa, that was close" and "hello, State Farm?".
These Speakers were great for picking out road signs too.

Speaker and Truck-Lite also make oodles of supplemental & marker lights as well. I'm very curious about something that comes on fast to run with my highbeams; my HIDs take too long to warm up to be practical. And floods are always nice offroad when you want to find a campsite at night.

02-21-2011 08:34 AM
JeeperJake Other than aiming away from oncoming traffic, what is the rationale for the marked differences L/R lux readings, and just how is this accomplished?
02-21-2011 08:18 AM
Hilldweller
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Originally Posted by Hilldweller View Post
I always start with a 2.5" drop.
...which I measured from the bottom LED instead of the top; I readjusted after my drive to work.

And a fun ride to work it was.

I left earlier than usual so I could hit some podunk dirt roads.
And, right on cue, I had a big deer jump a fence and land smack in the middle of the road in front of me. I saw it as made its leap and hit the brakes hard; got myself a little sideways and missed the beast by a good 15 feet.

I'd say the lights passed the test....

Should look even better tomorrow morning.
02-21-2011 04:51 AM
Hilldweller
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Originally Posted by patorz31 View Post
Did you aim them to the specs Speaker wanted?
I got way more depth once I aimed them to John's specs.
He told me to measure to the center of the low beam projector, mark a wall 2.5 inches below that measurement and when parked on a level surface 25 feet away from said wall, aim the center of the beam at the tape line. The depth I have now is unreal. These things light up those reflective roads sign from about a klick and a half away.
I always start with a 2.5" drop.

I have the camera set to remove light below a certain threshold; that keeps all the pictures consistent and gets rid of stray light from the moon, etc. All the light above 1 lux basically; that's why you can see more artifacts.

Remember, I'm a geek with the motto, "you can't fool meters". I'll tweak the aim after the drive to work today. If I aim up though, the close-range side illumination will get even worse; that's the lights' weak point.

Stumpy used a cutting drum for sheetmetal work. We literally did the passenger side in 12 seconds or so. My grinder at home melted the plastic and gummed-up every time; wrong tool for the job indeed.
02-20-2011 09:44 PM
JeeperJake ....standing by with rapt attention....

continued interest in more upgrades for my headlights....just have the Xtremes +80 which make me feel like I *can* go out after dark if necessary....
02-20-2011 08:22 PM
patorz31 Did you aim them to the specs Speaker wanted?
I got way more depth once I aimed them to John's specs.
He told me to measure to the center of the low beam projector, mark a wall 2.5 inches below that measurement and when parked on a level surface 25 feet away from said wall, aim the center of the beam at the tape line. The depth I have now is unreal. These things light up those reflective roads sign from about a klick and a half away.
02-20-2011 08:06 PM
Hilldweller
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Originally Posted by patorz31 View Post
I will trade you the 3 feet of snow and -20 temps for sun.... i would even through in a case of Canadian Beer.......
If you had added some peameal bacon, maybe.

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Some numbers for the JW Speaker model 8700 7" round LEDs:

Ambient temperature 55 degrees F; lens temperature 69 degrees F

Lowbeam value in blue, high in red.

LUX at 25 feet, sensor moved to highest output spot. 630/1139

25 yards Right: 48/86 * Left: 16/17

50 yards Right: 6/30 * Left: 1/5

75 yards Right: 1/9 * Left: 1/3

They were the brightest in the center of the road so far. Their distance and side illumination fall short of the Z-Beams though ----- but they're LED...
Foreground illumination to the sides is nil for 30 feet or so; strange artifacts in that area too, especially on highbeam.

But it all seems to work when you drive; I never got annoyed by any of it at all.

I like'em enough to keep them in and continue to shake them down for a while. I'll hit a few deer-infested dirt roads tomorrow early.

Pics:

Lowbeam


Highbeam


and the first Lowbeam plus stock fogs
02-20-2011 08:03 PM
patorz31 I don't know what Hilldweller and Stumpy used but Bear used a flapwheel in a die grinder.
02-20-2011 07:49 PM
ColdSRT
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hilldweller
Same as yours but we have a thing called "the Sun" down here...

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Going out in a few minutes to take some pics; the Sun is setting.
A big thank-you to Stumpy, Mrs Stumpy, baby Stumpette, and Stumpy's Garage for the right tool to put these dang things in. His cutting bit ate through the composite material in about a minute. We did like Bear and shaved the buckets, turned the sensors to 45 degrees, and tightened it all up.

Again, disclaimer --- these are mods that are done at your own risk. I would never suggest that anyone alter safety devices in their or anyone else's Jeep. Stay in school, say "no" to drugs, wear a condom, don't run with scissors, etc.
What did he use? I used a dremel to smooth out a few things on the same type of composite just over the radiator to make room for the led mounting brackets and wiring. Cut it like butter.

We have the sun up here. It only comes out in the summer too. Then the damn thing stays up all night like a teenager.
02-20-2011 07:44 PM
ColdSRT
Quote:
Originally Posted by patorz31
I have had the Speakers at -40c and they work fine. I have driven down the highway with them at -42 doing 120kmh (75-80mph) no issues. They do look different in a heavy snowstorm, I don't have the glare blasting back at me, and they seem to punch threw better.
That is a good thing. I get some flickering on the vision x LEDs at startup when they have been sitting out in -35 or colder.
02-20-2011 07:13 PM
patorz31 I will trade you the 3 feet of snow and -20 temps for sun.... i would even through in a case of Canadian Beer.......
02-20-2011 06:50 PM
Hilldweller
Quote:
Originally Posted by patorz31 View Post
Hey Hilldweller what color is your Jeep?
Same as yours but we have a thing called "the Sun" down here...

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Going out in a few minutes to take some pics; the Sun is setting.
A big thank-you to Stumpy, Mrs Stumpy, baby Stumpette, and Stumpy's Garage for the right tool to put these dang things in. His cutting bit ate through the composite material in about a minute. We did like Bear and shaved the buckets, turned the sensors to 45 degrees, and tightened it all up.

Again, disclaimer --- these are mods that are done at your own risk. I would never suggest that anyone alter safety devices in their or anyone else's Jeep. Stay in school, say "no" to drugs, wear a condom, don't run with scissors, etc.
02-20-2011 06:09 PM
patorz31 I have had the Speakers at -40c and they work fine. I have driven down the highway with them at -42 doing 120kmh (75-80mph) no issues. They do look different in a heavy snowstorm, I don't have the glare blasting back at me, and they seem to punch threw better.
02-20-2011 05:55 PM
ColdSRT
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hilldweller
That sucks that the bulb blew; another guy in Alaska kept blowing his Osrams and he worked at length with Dan Stern about it.
You should post-up on Candlepower Forums about it and see if they have any ideas; could be the cold.
I wish I could get a really cold day here and I'd hook the O-scope up to see if there are temp-related changes or something.

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UmmmmKay, NOT as easy to install as the Truck-Lites at all.

Teaser shots:
I think it is either a cold thing or I got a bad one. They have seen -45f. I read about the bulb thing in Alaska with DS. I thought DS made a harness change to fix or help with the problem. I will have to dig deeper but.............. I really want led.

Those really do look sexy on the jeep. Probably not everyones cup of tea but I dig it. I am interested to see what you did to overcome the sensor issue. I know you don't Mickey mouse your stuff so I am confident that what worked for you is what I will do.

Now I have to adjust the old famous line, " this thread is useless without BEAM pics". Can't wait.
02-20-2011 05:47 PM
ColdSRT
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZOMB1E

Which was better in your opinion?
Well I prefer the brighter/whiter color of the philips. I don't know the specs on the bulbs that ship with the rallylights kits but I thought I saw somewhere that they are way way cheaper than the philips. I'm hoping it is a cold issue or I just got a bad bulb. But just taking expected lifespan and price into account I really don't think the philips are worth the money they charge but that is what my eyes tell me. YMMV.
02-20-2011 05:45 PM
ncossey
Quote:
Originally Posted by patorz31
Hey Hilldweller what color is your Jeep?
Im betting red rocks.
02-20-2011 05:31 PM
patorz31 Hey Hilldweller what color is your Jeep?
02-20-2011 05:28 PM
patorz31 Here's what they look like in mine.




I love the way they look, give the Jeep a very unique look.

They aren't easy to install in a JK but the TJ is easy according to Bear. The Jk needs more die grinder work than the TJ. Still it only took Bear an Hour or so to get them in.
02-20-2011 04:16 PM
JeeperJake ...they have a sort of 'Borg' look to 'em......
02-20-2011 03:45 PM
Hilldweller
Quote:
Originally Posted by ColdSRT View Post
Hurry up with your testing Bill. Led is looking better every day. Haha.
That sucks that the bulb blew; another guy in Alaska kept blowing his Osrams and he worked at length with Dan Stern about it.
You should post-up on Candlepower Forums about it and see if they have any ideas; could be the cold.
I wish I could get a really cold day here and I'd hook the O-scope up to see if there are temp-related changes or something.

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UmmmmKay, NOT as easy to install as the Truck-Lites at all.

Teaser shots:



02-20-2011 02:02 PM
ZOMB1E
Quote:
Originally Posted by ColdSRT
Up close shining on a wall you can see a bit of a color difference. Same with looking at them head on. Out driving I can tell there is something missing but I bet a high percentage of drivers would never notice.
Which was better in your opinion?
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