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12-27-2010 08:02 PM
DKS
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Originally Posted by ZOMB1E View Post
With the factory rake, I'd say you're still going to rub in the front if you take it off the pavement. Smittybilt makes some really narrow flares that might let you get away without a lift. Seems like most people do a 2.5-3.5" lift to fit their 35s and leave the fenders alone.

With the price of the flares, it's about the same difference anyway. Might as well lift and know it's right I guess.
12-27-2010 07:51 PM
ZOMB1E
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Originally Posted by DKS
I saw on either Trucks or Extreme 4x4 the other day where they were talking about the bushwhacker flares that allow 35" tires with no lift. I've been searching and haven't found anyone that has these installed and runnin 35s with no lift.

What do you guys think about this setup? Looks to me like more suspension travel would be needed over the factory setup, but just curious if this works for light to moderate wheeling.
With the factory rake, I'd say you're still going to rub in the front if you take it off the pavement. Smittybilt makes some really narrow flares that might let you get away without a lift. Seems like most people do a 2.5-3.5" lift to fit their 35s and leave the fenders alone.
12-27-2010 06:48 PM
DKS I saw on either Trucks or Extreme 4x4 the other day where they were talking about the bushwhacker flares that allow 35" tires with no lift. I've been searching and haven't found anyone that has these installed and runnin 35s with no lift.

What do you guys think about this setup? Looks to me like more suspension travel would be needed over the factory setup, but just curious if this works for light to moderate wheeling.
12-27-2010 05:39 PM
DelRocini I would go with the MT not auto if you are seriously considering larger tires. Why spend $1000 to get auto when you would spend $300 for a tuner to compensate for not having a MT? Use that $1300 to but tires. You can chirp 2nd if you want to pretend you are in a convertible sport car . You would be wise to get the sport. However, the S package might include all the extras your looking for. Then you could sell tires and rims. Infinity sound if pretty good but not awesome.
12-27-2010 02:48 PM
guygettnby
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Originally Posted by DKS View Post
Thanks again.
some of the features i liked with the sahara when i bought it over the sport was it came fully loaded. i liked the different interior, silver trim accents, different steering wheel, different rims (bigger, better looking design IMO), extra skid plates, LSD, color matching fenders(wich does make a difference if you want that kind of thing even on a black jeep IMO) regardless wich model you decide to choose anything can be done to the jeep and you can have any option added onto it if you so choose. so in all honesty there is nothing exclusive to the sahara that you could not add to the sport if you so choose. but there were differences that made me choose the sahara over the sport when i ended up buying mine. but then again i chose from what they had on the lot wich limited me to what i got unless i ordered one and it just so happens that the only sahara they had on the lot was fully loaded with pretty much every darn option you could have added. even the whole chrome package deal (wich i didnt want but they ended up not charging me for it)...

also i do know about the superchargers that are available after market. i still do not think that makes up for how under powered these jeeps are. when you buy the unlimited it should come with a hemi or at least have the option to have one instead of the mini van engine it has now. i dont think a supercharger could even compare to the JK having a hemi in it. the charger is nice and does beef it up some, but i dont think it could compare to having a hemi and grunt power off the get go down low where the JK really needs it. this of course is all my own opinion and should be taken as such. sorry for the late respond, i very rarely come to this site much anymore as i am very close to getting rid of my JK in favor of something else. so i am also abit out of date here aswell

again good luck with everything and i hope you have a great time with your JK
12-27-2010 11:09 AM
RaiderRUBICON "
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Originally Posted by JIMBOX View Post
Heh Heh, I've had 5 corvettes and I would never have an AUTO in a corvette"

JIMBO
not unless it is a dual clutch transmission.


AJ
12-27-2010 10:56 AM
DKS
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Originally Posted by JIMBOX View Post
There's a lot of pros/cons for the Superchip/hyperchip, as far as increased mileage/power/parachute release/ and auto shift point changes--believem if you want to-




I use the AEV Procal Module ($149 bucks) and it does everthing except alter tune, for premium/regular gas-

If it's your daily driver-you may want to chance the more expensive programmers ($300 bucks)--it's up to you !!

I'm very happy with my AEVPM and my JKU is a hobby !!

Good luck

JIMBO
I'll for sure check into those. Thanks. I hear you one the MPG/HP hype. I've seen it with some performance cars, and Diesel Trucks, but most of it is BS when it comes to most vehicles.

Mine is not going to be a DD for several years. But it's going to be a weekend nice weather warrior until the new wears off, lol No mud or snow for awhile.

I'll keep my GC for my DD/Bad weather/Off Road Fun/etc. until the wheels fall off.
12-27-2010 10:32 AM
h2otoo My two cents, when I was looking for a jeep I decided a manual if I went 2dr, auto for a 4dr. Not sure why, guess the 4dr seems more like a full size SUV and just seemed like a better fit. I went with the 2dr manual and I am happy with it. Have to admit, though, the extra room in the 4dr would make it a more "practical" vehicle.

Bob
12-27-2010 10:10 AM
JIMBOX There's a lot of pros/cons for the Superchip/hyperchip, as far as increased mileage/power/parachute release/ and auto shift point changes--believem if you want to-


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Originally Posted by DKS View Post
I'm 33. But I think after all the vehicles I've had, I'll chalk it up that I'm past starting out and get what I want (An Automatic).

As I said above, I've past the point of needing a straight for "fun" I can power shift with the best of them on the old 1320, so I'm not out to prove anything by buying a stick.

I had just heard so many people say "get the standard" I wanted to know if there was something wrong with the auto.

Since the performance doesn't seem to be an issue, I'd rather have the freedom and comfort of the automatic.

Thanks for all the input guys.


As far as the above statement about getting a programmer for the auto to set the shift points, etc. etc.

I pretty much put a tuner on anything I get. Anyone got any recommendations for me??

I personally like the SCT tuners for performance cars. But what do most of the Jeep guys use??
I use the AEV Procal Module ($149 bucks) and it does everthing except alter tune, for premium/regular gas-

If it's your daily driver-you may want to chance the more expensive programmers ($300 bucks)--it's up to you !!

I'm very happy with my AEVPM and my JKU is a hobby !!

Good luck

JIMBO
12-27-2010 09:51 AM
DKS
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Originally Posted by JIMBOX View Post
Heh Heh, I've had 5 corvettes and I would never have an AUTO in a corvette, but




After 13 4wds I'll never have a stick in a 4wd again, thats why my last 4 were AUTOS and especially this '08 JKU Rubi-

No comparison for Rocking/sanding/off-cambering and RECOVERY of stuckees, Auto all the way, but

If it's your first jeep and you're young-getta stick, you can't learn without starting with the basics !


JIMBO

I'm 33. But I think after all the vehicles I've had, I'll chalk it up that I'm past starting out and get what I want (An Automatic).

As I said above, I've past the point of needing a straight for "fun" I can power shift with the best of them on the old 1320, so I'm not out to prove anything by buying a stick.

I had just heard so many people say "get the standard" I wanted to know if there was something wrong with the auto.

Since the performance doesn't seem to be an issue, I'd rather have the freedom and comfort of the automatic.

Thanks for all the input guys.


As far as the above statement about getting a programmer for the auto to set the shift points, etc. etc.

I pretty much put a tuner on anything I get. Anyone got any recommendations for me??

I personally like the SCT tuners for performance cars. But what do most of the Jeep guys use??
12-27-2010 09:26 AM
JIMBOX Heh Heh, I've had 5 corvettes and I would never have an AUTO in a corvette, but


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Originally Posted by DKS View Post
That's kind of what I've heard. Just trying to figure out all the reasons why. I had a 5 speed in my Cherokee with larger tires and didn't have a problem with it. Loved it off road (which it saw a lot of) But hated it in the city.
My GC is an auto and I love it on and off road.
My Durango was of course an auto and it was decked out for O/R as well. Loved it, too.

I've had a lot of performance cars, and I love straights in them when I'm playing. But since the Jeep isn't exactly a performance car that I'll be powershifting and corner carving in, I'd rather have an auto so I can sit back and chill when I'm driving in the city (unless someone can show me that the 6 speed performs better in the Wrangler)

Like I say, I get all the auto vs. manual arguments in general. That's not my concern. I know some people like a 6 speed because they are "fun" which they are in a fast car, but I don't need to shift to have "fun" in a jeep with 35" tires, lol

Some cars are just lame in autos. Like the new Camaro. The ETs on an auto vs a manual are extremely different.

Now on an S197 Mustang auto vs manual, there is no where near as much of a difference. Some cars just suck with certain trannys. Just making sure the wrangler/auto combo isn't one of those.

Seems like there are several auto owners that don't seem to regret their choice.
After 13 4wds I'll never have a stick in a 4wd again, thats why my last 4 were AUTOS and especially this '08 JKU Rubi-

No comparison for Rocking/sanding/off-cambering and RECOVERY of stuckees, Auto all the way, but

If it's your first jeep and you're young-getta stick, you can't learn without starting with the basics !

JIMBO
12-26-2010 11:18 PM
adrenaline I prefer a manual transmission especially in anything less than a V8. It is my preference I know others prefer auto's, but when it comes down to it neither is better than the other, and it is all in how you drive and what you prefer. After all you are the one that is stuck with your decision.
12-26-2010 11:04 PM
joe002
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Originally Posted by DKS View Post
I know some people like a 6 speed because they are "fun" which they are in a fast car, but I don't need to shift to have "fun" in a jeep with 35" tires, lol.
That's a great statement.
12-26-2010 10:58 PM
joe002
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Originally Posted by DKS View Post
...Yeah, I'm very concerned with my paint, lol...
Don't ever take you Jeep off-road (at least not in AZ). You'll never get the paint back into shape.
12-26-2010 10:53 PM
DKS
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Originally Posted by daggo66 View Post
If you go with the auto you will need to purchase a programmer to change the shift points when you add the larger tires or it will drive like a slug. A manual takes care of that for you.

When dealing with a Jeep you can throw away your stick in a car auto in a truck theory.

That's kind of what I've heard. Just trying to figure out all the reasons why. I had a 5 speed in my Cherokee with larger tires and didn't have a problem with it. Loved it off road (which it saw a lot of) But hated it in the city.
My GC is an auto and I love it on and off road.
My Durango was of course an auto and it was decked out for O/R as well. Loved it, too.

I've had a lot of performance cars, and I love straights in them when I'm playing. But since the Jeep isn't exactly a performance car that I'll be powershifting and corner carving in, I'd rather have an auto so I can sit back and chill when I'm driving in the city (unless someone can show me that the 6 speed performs better in the Wrangler)

Like I say, I get all the auto vs. manual arguments in general. That's not my concern. I know some people like a 6 speed because they are "fun" which they are in a fast car, but I don't need to shift to have "fun" in a jeep with 35" tires, lol

Some cars are just lame in autos. Like the new Camaro. The ETs on an auto vs a manual are extremely different.

Now on an S197 Mustang auto vs manual, there is no where near as much of a difference. Some cars just suck with certain trannys. Just making sure the wrangler/auto combo isn't one of those.

Seems like there are several auto owners that don't seem to regret their choice.
12-26-2010 09:46 PM
daggo66
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Originally Posted by DKS View Post
From what I understand the auto only comes in a 3.73 in 2011.

Thanks for the input. Will the 3.73 be OK with 33-35" tires?? Or will I have to change the gears, too?
If you go with the auto you will need to purchase a programmer to change the shift points when you add the larger tires or it will drive like a slug. A manual takes care of that for you.

When dealing with a Jeep you can throw away your stick in a car auto in a truck theory.
12-26-2010 09:14 PM
Texas TC The taller tires will raise your gear ratio. I would think is would be advisable to go to the 4.10 but I do not have first hand experience here. I just know that the 3.73 on my 2011 does not have the same torque feel that I had with my 2007 with 4.10 gears.

I am sure some of the folks on the WF that have the taller tires will chime in and let you know if you are going to be happy with the 3.73 with gorilla tires. LOL
12-26-2010 08:58 PM
DKS
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Originally Posted by Texas TC View Post
My only input is to stay away from the 3.21 gear ratio whether you go with the 6 speed manual or automatic. I truly wish the sport came with 4.10 gear on the 2011 like I had on my 2007 Wrangler. I think the only unit you can get with a 4.10 is the Rubicon. I wish they had not changed that.

I have owned both the 6 speed manual and the automatic and I prefer the automatic especially if you are going to use it as a daily driver in any kind of traffic or stop and go driving.

From what I understand the auto only comes in a 3.73 in 2011.

Thanks for the input. Will the 3.73 be OK with 33-35" tires?? Or will I have to change the gears, too?
12-26-2010 08:55 PM
Texas TC My only input is to stay away from the 3.21 gear ratio whether you go with the 6 speed manual or automatic. I truly wish the sport came with 4.10 gear on the 2011 like I had on my 2007 Wrangler. I think the only unit you can get with a 4.10 is the Rubicon. I wish they had not changed that.

I have owned both the 6 speed manual and the automatic and I prefer the automatic especially if you are going to use it as a daily driver in any kind of traffic or stop and go driving.
12-26-2010 08:45 PM
DKS
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Originally Posted by jkjeeper06 View Post
As far as sport vs sahara I would absolutely go with the sport. If you are going to buy a new vehicle you are going to care about your paint. I know I do and I makes me extra careful on the trail. With the sport you get the luxury of plastic fenders that you can't really scratch. It gives you less to worry about. Plus in the city or anywhere really, if someone opens their door into your jeep it will just hit the fender and won't scratch it. Bushewhacker makes painted aftermarket flares that you can upgrade to eventually if you want.

You have no idea, lol I'm a detailer on the side and I do car shows on the regular. Look at my Mustang. . . .














Yeah, I'm very concerned with my paint, lol

I had actually taken into consideration all the things you said about the fenders, etc. into my decision. I'm 99.9% going with the Sport unless someone can show me something the Sahara has (other than the painted parts on the exterior) that I can't get in the sport.

As far as the Auto Vs. Manual. I live in the country, but I do a lot of city driving. If the MPG and Power isn't an issue between the two, I'll for sure go auto. I like to shift something with power for fun, but a big SUV, I'm chillin in it, lol
12-26-2010 08:18 PM
ZOMB1E
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Originally Posted by DKS View Post
Nice rides. Do you miss the Mustang at all?? I'm just way more of a 4x4 guy than I am a car guy. I like to have room, not have to worry about running up on curbs, sit higher up, and did I mention having room!!

Here's mine. . . .
Nice ride yourself!

The only time I miss my mustang, is when some clown is riding my ass. I definitely had to get used owning a low speed thrill ride. Even with the 4.88's it can seem like forever to get moving from a dead stop.
12-26-2010 08:12 PM
DKS
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Originally Posted by guygettnby View Post
i wouldnt waste money on the sahara unless you like the comfort features it provides. (Is there any that the sport can't be equipped with for less total cost??)the infinity sound system is a nice upgrade from stock but still not a good system IMO ... cheaper and better to build your own sound system if you have the money for it. the auto works fine for me on 32's and the fact the JK is so under powered there is no way around it far from a hemi swap. (They Do have a Supercharger kit available, too, lol)having a 6 speed or auto is really not going to make a difference in power for you.

the biggest thing here is getting what you personally like and what you can deal with paying for. if your happy with it, thats all that matters and anything can be done to the jeep.

the sahara was what i chose personally and i like all the little features it has. (Which are What? I thought all the difference between the two was the color matching on the exterior which doesn't matter on black anyway)i was however very upset with a few things after i did my research. i have an auto and drove a buddies 6 speed awhile back, i felt no improvement in power what so ever besides the extra jerk from shifting. MPG we average around the same if we both act like grannies when we drive. so 6 or auto is more of a preference IMO (Exactly the kind of input I was looking for, thank you sir)

i hope some of this helped you out in some way. i wish you the best of luck with your new coming JK and hope you enjoy it.
Thanks again.
12-26-2010 08:12 PM
JIMBOX There's nothing lower than the Rubi 4-1 xfer case in 1st gear auto or stick and auto you can stop on a rock for 20 minutes without touching ANYTHING-

The stick has "no stall" but I'm afraid that must wear out clutchs pretty fast !!

JIMBO
12-26-2010 08:08 PM
jkjeeper06 You also get better mileage which is a big plus and it can be more fun to drive on the street if you get a manual
12-26-2010 08:07 PM
jkjeeper06 As far as sport vs sahara I would absolutely go with the sport. If you are going to buy a new vehicle you are going to care about your paint. I know I do and I makes me extra careful on the trail. With the sport you get the luxury of plastic fenders that you can't really scratch. It gives you less to worry about. Plus in the city or anywhere really, if someone opens their door into your jeep it will just hit the fender and won't scratch it. Bushewhacker makes painted aftermarket flares that you can upgrade to eventually if you want.

On the sport manual: I have the 6 speed and absolutely love it. Even on steep trails I rarely need the clutch so it's not hard to do clutch and brake and gas. I can idle at an extremely low speed (it feels like 1 or 2 mph) idk how slow the auto can crawl but I would imagine it is faster since the 1st gear ratio is lower(wheels spin faster for each rotation of engine).
12-26-2010 07:59 PM
DKS
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Originally Posted by ZOMB1E View Post
Couldn't post them both in one post for some reason.

Nice rides. Do you miss the Mustang at all?? I'm just way more of a 4x4 guy than I am a car guy. I like to have room, not have to worry about running up on curbs, sit higher up, and did I mention having room!!

Here's mine. . . .





12-26-2010 07:31 PM
guygettnby i wouldnt waste money on the sahara unless you like the comfort features it provides. the infinity sound system is a nice upgrade from stock but still not a good system IMO ... cheaper and better to build your own sound system if you have the money for it. the auto works fine for me on 32's and the fact the JK is so under powered there is no way around it far from a hemi swap. having a 6 speed or auto is really not going to make a difference in power for you.

the biggest thing here is getting what you personally like and what you can deal with paying for. if your happy with it, thats all that matters and anything can be done to the jeep.

the sahara was what i chose personally and i like all the little features it has. i was however very upset with a few things after i did my research. i have an auto and drove a buddies 6 speed awhile back, i felt no improvement in power what so ever besides the extra jerk from shifting. MPG we average around the same if we both act like grannies when we drive. so 6 or auto is more of a preference IMO

i hope some of this helped you out in some way. i wish you the best of luck with your new coming JK and hope you enjoy it.
12-26-2010 07:28 PM
ZOMB1E Couldn't post them both in one post for some reason.
12-26-2010 07:24 PM
ZOMB1E Sounds like we're in the same boat. I went from a mustang GT to a 4 door JK sahara. 3" lift 35" tires and 4.88 gears. I have a manual but sometimes I wish I had an automatic when I need to pull my friends out.

As far as Sahara vs Sport, I plan on putting flat fenders and a 1" BL on when I go to 37s, so the painted sahara fenders were a waste. IMO I'd get the sport and do what you want with it. The fenders can always be painted later on.
12-26-2010 07:14 PM
DKS
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Originally Posted by JIMBOX View Post
This is not meant to be funny, but

My advice wouldn't be right for you-My JKU Rubi is different than most, and

You can't doit right the first time, you will change whatever you do NOW-within a year it'll change many times, as your desires/hobbys/friends all change-so just take it slow and easy--

Don't IMMEDIATELY throw big tires and wheels on, cause then you'll spend all your money FIXING the suspension to accomodate your new changes, learn how good the jeep is STOCK-first !!

JIMBO
Yeah, this will be my 26th vehicle, I'm way too familiar with the mod game, lol And you are exactly right. I swore I was going to leave my Mustang stock when I bought it. Within 6 months it was a trophy winning show car that didn't even resemble what it looked like when I bought it, lol

But as far as tires go, I know they do great with the stock tires. I just think they look soooooo much better with at least 33s under them.

I know in my mind what I want as far as looks go, and I MUST have big tires!!! I've never wanted a vehicle as bad as I want one of these Jeeps. When I saw my first 4 door Wangler with a hard top and big tires I fell in love.
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