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02-24-2011 07:07 PM
daggo66
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Originally Posted by ghendrix6 View Post
Are these taller coil springs going to require an allignment?
No. IIRC when I stood them side by side the actual coils were visibly thicker and 1 and 1/2 coils taller.
02-24-2011 05:44 PM
JIMBOX Yea, John-they're spectacular-


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Originally Posted by John412 View Post
JimBox I so far love the 9000xl shocks. Got about 45 miles on them. Once I get the new springs and spacers put on Monday I will mess with the settings. But for now they are a world of difference over the stock shocks. Much better ride, no body roll at all.
I have found that by leaving mine set at "5", it's the best all around, without constant changing and when I pull my trailer I reset the rears to "9", All the way clockwise-if your not using the "remote" !!

Can'tbeatem-

JIMBO
02-24-2011 05:38 PM
John412 JimBox I so far love the 9000xl shocks. Got about 45 miles on them. Once I get the new springs and spacers put on Monday I will mess with the settings. But for now they are a world of difference over the stock shocks. Much better ride, no body roll at all.
02-24-2011 05:31 PM
ghendrix6 Are these taller coil springs going to require an allignment?
02-24-2011 03:37 PM
rics1997 I can't say on shocks because I didn't add new ones but they have to take lose the bottom of the shocks during coil installation.

As fas as the coil installation, the local dealer wanted to charge 1 hour labor per coil. But the local off road shop just charged me 2.5 hours labor for the entire job. At their 71.5 dollars an hour, $178.75.

I wouldn't think it would take too much more time to unbolt the top of the shock and bolt it back on since half of it was already unbolted.
02-24-2011 03:12 PM
MTH
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Originally Posted by BlackMountain View Post
if you get an estimate, post how much they quoted you for if you don't mind
Sure.
02-24-2011 03:10 PM
BlackMountain if you get an estimate, post how much they quoted you for if you don't mind
02-24-2011 02:48 PM
MTH
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Originally Posted by BlackMountain View Post
hmm i see. well wouldn't i have the same coils you do? and you are replacing them w/HD coils..
But I'll be installing heavy duty gas shocks at the same time.

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Originally Posted by BlackMountain View Post
there is no way i'm experienced enough/have the right tools to do the work myself (i can replace my speakers and car stereo but this is another level) so i would have to pay to get it done.
I'd probably be gutsy enough to try it on my own, but I don't have jack stands, a coil compressor, or the 5 hours it would take me to Forrest Gump my way through the install. By the time I pay for the tools and arrange for the time, I might as well just pay the local 4wd store to throw it all in for me.

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Originally Posted by BlackMountain View Post
how much do you think it would cost for coils/shocks and labor to install them?
I have no idea. (Note this packs a pretty big assumption into my statement above about paying 4wd.) I doubt it would be too much--there's no welding or "real work" involved. Drop the axles, drop out the existing coils, pop out the shocks, put in new coils/shocks, reattach axles, declare victory. I'll call for an estimate ahead of time and if I think it's too high I may revisit my assumption above. I know Daggo did it himself (coils and shocks), so I'd probably just PM him and bug him for awhile about the details.
02-24-2011 02:24 PM
BlackMountain hmm i see. well wouldn't i have the same coils you do? and you are replacing them w/HD coils..

there is no way i'm experienced enough/have the right tools to do the work myself (i can replace my speakers and car stereo but this is another level) so i would have to pay to get it done.

how much do you think it would cost for coils/shocks and labor to install them?
02-24-2011 01:56 PM
MTH
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Originally Posted by BlackMountain View Post
could i do exactly what daggo did with the spings (19/60) and not replace the stock shocks with gas ones and be good? I really like the way his jeep looks and it seems like a pretty cheap way to get a 1'' lift w/out any possible negative ramifications
If your existing coils are sturdier than Daggo's originals were, you of course won't get as much lift. (Obviously.)

But yes, presuming your coils leave room for improvement (and they almost surely do) then I don't see why not. Jimbox or one of the other resident gearheads might correct me, but I don't believe HD coils would actually be so hard on your hydraulic shocks that they would somehow cause immediate damage or failure.

However, I would expect your ride would be pretty bouncy. The hydraulic shocks might have a tough time dampening the new coils. The result over time I suppose could be premature wear on those shocks.
02-24-2011 01:46 PM
BlackMountain could i do exactly what daggo did with the spings (19/60) and not replace the stock shocks with gas ones and be good? I really like the way his jeep looks and it seems like a pretty cheap way to get a 1'' lift w/out any possible negative ramifications
02-24-2011 01:25 PM
JIMBOX The RS9000XL shocks are night/day from even the stock Rubis-


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Originally Posted by John412 View Post
I'm putting the 19/60's in this monday with the 1 3/4 spacers. Also got Rancho 9000xl's laying around that are going in today. Getting the springs from Jeep was def the way to go compared to the aftermarket companies in the case of the guys with Sport models. Atleast you know what your getting by going that route. I would imagine the Ranchos will be a world of diffrence over the little shocks that come with the stock X/Sports .
They are also totally PREDICTABLE !!



Can'tbeatem !

JIMBO
02-24-2011 11:14 AM
MTH
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Originally Posted by BlackMountain View Post
i want to see before/after pics of someone's jeep who has replaced the springs to correct the rake.
Here's Daggo's (http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/con...tml#post716428) showing before and after. It wasn't to correct the rake, but you can see the overall boost.

As far as correcting the rake with HD up front and slightly less than HD in the rear, I think that crazy theory is mine all alone, so I'll post pics when I try it.
02-24-2011 11:10 AM
BlackMountain i want to see before/after pics of someone's jeep who has replaced the springs to correct the rake.
02-24-2011 10:43 AM
John412 I'm putting the 19/60's in this monday with the 1 3/4 spacers. Also got Rancho 9000xl's laying around that are going in today. Getting the springs from Jeep was def the way to go compared to the aftermarket companies in the case of the guys with Sport models. Atleast you know what your getting by going that route. I would imagine the Ranchos will be a world of diffrence over the little shocks that come with the stock X/Sports .
02-24-2011 09:50 AM
ghendrix6 I just ordered the HD springs.

Products
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2 x 68004460AA SPRING (68004460AA) = $72.16
2 x 52126319AB SPRING (52126319AB) = $61.16
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Sub-Total: $133.32
Table Rate (Best Way): $14.00
Total: $147.32

Not a bad price either.

Thanks for all the info guys.
01-29-2011 05:46 AM
daggo66
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Originally Posted by noprowrangler View Post
(the wife won't let me have a bumper/wench combo)

My wife is against me having a wench as well.
01-29-2011 01:23 AM
noprowrangler MTH,

Sorry for the slow response - was out all day
I went with the 18's because I didn't want too harsh of a ride or too much lift. It was just a guestamation.
Your right 1.5' is slightly more than level. I may add slightly heavier springs on the rear, or maybe add a bumper/winch combo up front. (the wife won't let me have a bumper/wench combo)
Right now I'm going to let things settle a bit.

I'm happy with this oem coil lift and thank the forum and the members for all their research and experiences concerning coil sizes, part #s and codes. great stuff!

noprowrangler
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01-28-2011 12:54 PM
rics1997
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Originally Posted by MTH View Post
Does anyone know if the HD front coils (19s) are still available? Neither Chrysler Parts nor Jeep Mopar seem to list them online . . . .

When i was getting mine I had trouble finding them online too. But using the stock #'s that daggo list and the 800 number they found them for me.
01-28-2011 12:53 PM
rics1997
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Originally Posted by jb3rry View Post
^^^ Sorry for they typo - I was Hollaring at my wench to bring me another beer and wasnt paying attention
Hope she didn't read that lol
01-28-2011 11:57 AM
jb3rry
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Originally Posted by daggo66 View Post
100lbs is a little light for a wench unless she's no more than 5'1" or so.
^^^ Sorry for they typo - I was Hollaring at my wench to bring me another beer and wasnt paying attention
01-28-2011 11:25 AM
daggo66 100lbs is a little light for a wench unless she's no more than 5'1" or so.
01-28-2011 10:29 AM
jb3rry
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Originally Posted by daggo66 View Post
The "rake" refers to the nose down angle. It seems more pronounced on a 4 door than a 2. Personally I think too many people are consumed by it. I have seen people try to compensate by lifting the front and it looks ridiculous with the rear end down. Keep in mind that much of it is perception because the JK hood slants down to the front whereas past models had flat hood lines.
^^^^ Thanks

No issues here I have have a custom bumper (80 lbs) and wench (approx 100). Jeep still looks level using the eye test.
01-28-2011 09:53 AM
JIMBOX Some of you "OLD" guys may remember this-

In 1955, here on the West coast, we started using coil clamps/or cutting the front suspension coils in GM/Ford sedans-just to get the "RAKE"-

We also ran black wheels (no hubcaps) and side exhaust dumps (lakesters), along with dual glasspacks !!

Ah the good old days-

JIMBO
01-28-2011 09:43 AM
daggo66
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Originally Posted by jb3rry View Post
Ok...Help me out...What is the "Rake"

Is it that plastic piece that they pretend is a skid plate etc on the front?
The "rake" refers to the nose down angle. It seems more pronounced on a 4 door than a 2. Personally I think too many people are consumed by it. I have seen people try to compensate by lifting the front and it looks ridiculous with the rear end down. Keep in mind that much of it is perception because the JK hood slants down to the front whereas past models had flat hood lines.
01-28-2011 09:37 AM
JIMBOX The stock RUBI springs are (19) front and (60) rear and most of the lift kits will deal with ½" MORE in the front, because of various LOADS that will be put in the rear of the jeep--and they get rid of 90% of the rake !!

This will allow increased loads and NOT DRAG the REAR-

If you're just changing springs and adding/notadding spacers-be aware of the "lift" effects, and you should know that as soon as you get passengers/gear/coolers-etc, the rears gonna drop !!

This pic, with at least 250lbs of shooting gear/tools/HiLift-etc, dropped the rear less than ¨½" and the RC steel spacers along with the 19/60 coils-ensure that




JIMBO
01-28-2011 09:13 AM
MTH
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Originally Posted by jb3rry View Post
Ok...Help me out...What is the "Rake"
On a level surface, measure the distance between the bottom of your front bumper and the pavement, as well as the distance between the bottom of your rear bumper and the pavement.

Presuming you've got a stock suspension, your front bumper will be closer to the ground than your rear. Perhaps by an inch or more, though it'll vary somewhat depending on what coil springs you have. It's more noticeable on the 4 doors than the two doors.

It--along with the air dam (that plastic pretend skid plate)--is designed to provide better gas mileage through less wind resistance. Some folks like the stance it gives the Jeep, some folks hate it. Most are indifferent and never notice.
01-28-2011 08:48 AM
jb3rry Ok...Help me out...What is the "Rake"

Is it that plastic piece that they pretend is a skid plate etc on the front?
01-28-2011 08:38 AM
MTH
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Originally Posted by noprowrangler
finally got my coil springs - . . . Replaced only the fronts.
Went from ...14's to ...18's. . . . . I was looking to get rid of the "rake" on my 2010 2dr. I gained about 1.5" in front. . . .
Would love it see pics. Two questions:

Why 18s? I thought 19 was HD for fronts. Maybe I'm wrong.

Also, is 1.5" a little over corrected? The TeraFlex leveling kit for example only adds an extra 1" to the front. Of course, if your rear coils were HD or close, then maybe 1.5" worked out right.
01-28-2011 04:38 AM
noprowrangler finally got my coil springs -
paid for 2 they only shipped 1 at first. oh well

I ordered them through the local dealership. Replaced only the fronts.
Went from ...14's to ...18's. Pretty straight forward install.
I'm very happy with the results.
I was looking to get rid of the "rake" on my 2010 2dr.
I gained about 1.5" in front. Looks good.
The ride is only slightly tighter/harder, not bad at all. It feels like the ride of the Rubicon I test drove before buying my 2010 sport.

I would say this is a good mod for those looking for leveling or slight lift
while keeping mopar stock look or those with warrantee concerns.

noprowrangler
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