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06-11-2014 12:37 PM
spoiledkari
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Originally Posted by WaterRooster View Post
Rockford Fosgate punch 8" Everything else: Polk db 6.5" components Poly db 6.5 coax Rockford Fosgate 300x1 and 300x4 Amps mounted under the passenger seat Pioneer 8500bhs Idatalink for steering wheel controls
Any chance of getting model numbers on the sub and amps? I'm a Rockford fan and want punch equipment in my rig. Was told that the P1 subs sound like crap but the p3 uses a crap ton of wattage.
06-10-2014 10:54 PM
tallc
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Originally Posted by N2WATER View Post
I picked up my Sahara yesterday, and yes I was highly disappointed with the system. I am a fairly high end audiofile and I can say the only thing premium about the system is the name.

I am looking into replacement products now.
we do wrangler pullouts regularly.. Our go to hi end speaker setup is the HAT Clarus.. cant be beat, but of course they are not $50 a pr. either.. And the amp of choice we use is the Arc Audio XDi1200.6 (150x6)
05-14-2014 04:52 PM
Gord P
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Originally Posted by Monkeycat5 View Post
I used the stock box for the sub but I had to make a spacer for it as it was too deep I just cut some ply wood to fit and glued a seal to it. The sub is a JL audio 8W3v3 it is very bassie ( if that is a word) lol. I am very satisfied with the sound. Like the post above as soon as you take the top off you loose most the bass but you still feel it in the seats. As for the comp. they are the jl audio C2-650 in the front they came with a crossover and my amp has a high pass crossover in it also. In the found bar I put jl audio C2-650x they did not come with a cross over. Everything fit perfectly in the stock holes ( once you can get to them). I did install it all myself took a day and a half. I already had the amp from a previous car but the rest of the items cost about 2000.00. I bought all the speakers from amazon but I got the had unit from a local place ( so I didn't have to wait for it to show up)
Thanks for the info... much appreciated.
05-14-2014 04:44 PM
Monkeycat5 I used the stock box for the sub but I had to make a spacer for it as it was too deep I just cut some ply wood to fit and glued a seal to it. The sub is a JL audio 8W3v3 it is very bassie ( if that is a word) lol. I am very satisfied with the sound. Like the post above as soon as you take the top off you loose most the bass but you still feel it in the seats. As for the comp. they are the jl audio C2-650 in the front they came with a crossover and my amp has a high pass crossover in it also. In the found bar I put jl audio C2-650x they did not come with a cross over. Everything fit perfectly in the stock holes ( once you can get to them). I did install it all myself took a day and a half. I already had the amp from a previous car but the rest of the items cost about 2000.00. I bought all the speakers from amazon but I got the had unit from a local place ( so I didn't have to wait for it to show up)
05-13-2014 04:26 AM
Gord P
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Originally Posted by Monkeycat5 View Post
I have just replaced my whole alpine system last week I couldn't take the muffled sound here is what I installed
Dnx891HD kenwood head unit ( has same gps as the 430n)
JL audio compentes in the front
JL audio coaxial in the sound bar
JL audio 8" sub woofer in the back
And finally a soundstream rubicon 8.5 amp to power it all

Now it sounds much better I got the PAC steering wheel control box too so all my controls on the steering wheel still work. I am very pleased with the stereo now!!!

Here are some pictures on the install
Which JL model did you get for the sub? Trying to figure out what I can do instead of the Stealthbox as I don't want to lose cargo room. Are you happy with the bass?
05-13-2014 04:21 AM
Gord P
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Originally Posted by WaterRooster View Post
I had to use a spacer ring to get it to fit. If I were to do it again, I would get the shallow mount sub. I used silicone to seal the ring and so far if is sounding pretty good. Granted when the top is off you lose everything but the treble, but what can you really expect with that much open air. Thus far I am more then happy with how everything is sounding.
Cool. Thanks for the feedback.
05-12-2014 08:55 PM
WaterRooster
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Originally Posted by Gord P View Post
Any extra work needed to fit the Punch?
I had to use a spacer ring to get it to fit. If I were to do it again, I would get the shallow mount sub. I used silicone to seal the ring and so far if is sounding pretty good. Granted when the top is off you lose everything but the treble, but what can you really expect with that much open air. Thus far I am more then happy with how everything is sounding.
05-12-2014 10:22 AM
Comanche Scott
Working with bass/mid/treble controls

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Originally Posted by Gord P View Post
I actually agree. I wish it was worse so it would be easier to justify the cost of replacing everything. Many things sound like garbage on it but a number of my cds sound pretty good.
x2
I have the U-Connect / 130, because I plan to replace the head unit with a GPS unit for off road navigation (something along the lines of the Kenwood DNX890HD).
Somewhere in one of these threads it recommended turning bass, mid and treble down all the way, and adjust up from there. After doing this, it sounds pretty decent.
I have hearing damage, so most every system sounds muddy until the treble is turned up. That recommendation worked great for me.
Hope it helps others.
05-12-2014 09:48 AM
Gord P You guys who went with a replacement 8" sub in the stock compartment, did you have to get a shallow mount sub?
05-12-2014 07:07 AM
TheJackal
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Originally Posted by Monkeycat5 View Post
I have just replaced my whole alpine system last week I couldn't take the muffled sound here is what I installed
Dnx891HD kenwood head unit ( has same gps as the 430n)
JL audio compentes in the front
JL audio coaxial in the sound bar
JL audio 8" sub woofer in the back
And finally a soundstream rubicon 8.5 amp to power it all

Now it sounds much better I got the PAC steering wheel control box too so all my controls on the steering wheel still work. I am very pleased with the stereo now!!!

Here are some pictures on the install
Very nice. Did you use c5-075ct for the tweeters? I have them bookmarked but haven't pulled the trigger. They look to be a direct fit. Did you cross them over with the fronts? I was planning on trying them with the stock HU.
05-11-2014 09:52 PM
caquiroga Nice job Monkeycat5! Did you perform the install yourself? What was the total cost of it all?
05-11-2014 12:15 PM
Gord P
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Originally Posted by Monkeycat5 View Post
I have just replaced my whole alpine system last week I couldn't take the muffled sound here is what I installed
Dnx891HD kenwood head unit ( has same gps as the 430n)
JL audio compentes in the front
JL audio coaxial in the sound bar
JL audio 8" sub woofer in the back
And finally a soundstream rubicon 8.5 amp to power it all

Now it sounds much better I got the PAC steering wheel control box too so all my controls on the steering wheel still work. I am very pleased with the stereo now!!!

Here are some pictures on the install
How's the bass with that setup? I like the idea of sticking with the stock sub casing as the alternative for me would be the Stealthbox which is ridiculously expensive. I was planning on doing JL for the rest of the speakers. Do you like the components mixed with the coaxial?
05-11-2014 12:07 PM
Gord P
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Originally Posted by WaterRooster View Post
Rockford Fosgate punch 8"

Everything else:
Polk db 6.5" components
Poly db 6.5 coax
Rockford Fosgate 300x1 and 300x4 Amps mounted under the passenger seat
Pioneer 8500bhs
Idatalink for steering wheel controls
Any extra work needed to fit the Punch?
05-11-2014 11:53 AM
WaterRooster
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Originally Posted by Gord P View Post
What did you replace the sub with?
Rockford Fosgate punch 8"

Everything else:
Polk db 6.5" components
Poly db 6.5 coax
Rockford Fosgate 300x1 and 300x4 Amps mounted under the passenger seat
Pioneer 8500bhs
Idatalink for steering wheel controls
05-11-2014 11:40 AM
Gord P
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Originally Posted by BSuk View Post
I don't think the Alpine system is that bad. Sure it's not great, but Jesus, people...it's a Jeep. I think it sounds decent for what it is. It's not going to rock your auditory senses, but it's far from complete garbage.

The sound system in my previous TJ, on the other hand, was complete shit. As is the system in my '95 Toyota pickup...my JK sounds like an Audi in comparison.

So maybe I'm a bad judge of comparative quality.
I actually agree. I wish it was worse so it would be easier to justify the cost of replacing everything. Many things sound like garbage on it but a number of my cds sound pretty good.
05-11-2014 11:31 AM
Cozmik
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Originally Posted by Hammertime View Post
LOL! I have premium sound in my 12 ruby and it sounds fine to me! I turned the Sat radio on and listened to it during the test drive. It seems not everyone did!
While I thought the Alpine wasn't (isn't bad) but could use a little improvement, I have a new found appreciation for it having been in a rental Charger with the base system for the last week and a half. I'll be happy to have my Alpine system back when I finally get the Jeep back.
05-11-2014 11:17 AM
Hammertime
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Originally Posted by BSuk View Post
I don't think the Alpine system is that bad. Sure it's not great, but Jesus, people...it's a Jeep. I think it sounds decent for what it is. It's not going to rock your auditory senses, but it's far from complete garbage.

The sound system in my previous TJ, on the other hand, was complete shit. As is the system in my '95 Toyota pickup...my JK sounds like an Audi in comparison.

So maybe I'm a bad judge of comparative quality.

LOL!

I have premium sound in my 12 ruby and it sounds fine to me!

I turned the Sat radio on and listened to it during the test drive. It seems not everyone did!
05-10-2014 10:25 PM
Monkeycat5 I have just replaced my whole alpine system last week I couldn't take the muffled sound here is what I installed
Dnx891HD kenwood head unit ( has same gps as the 430n)
JL audio compentes in the front
JL audio coaxial in the sound bar
JL audio 8" sub woofer in the back
And finally a soundstream rubicon 8.5 amp to power it all

Now it sounds much better I got the PAC steering wheel control box too so all my controls on the steering wheel still work. I am very pleased with the stereo now!!!

Here are some pictures on the install
05-10-2014 09:53 PM
BSuk I don't think the Alpine system is that bad. Sure it's not great, but Jesus, people...it's a Jeep. I think it sounds decent for what it is. It's not going to rock your auditory senses, but it's far from complete garbage.

The sound system in my previous TJ, on the other hand, was complete shit. As is the system in my '95 Toyota pickup...my JK sounds like an Audi in comparison.

So maybe I'm a bad judge of comparative quality.
05-10-2014 07:58 PM
Gord P
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Originally Posted by WaterRooster View Post
I just spent 2 days replacing the entire alpine system. I was amazed at how muddy it all was and for what I paid for it? That sure was a waste. The only thing is that I was able to reuse the stock sub compartment after it was sound deadened and filled. Now I have a stereo that actually sounds good after spending wen more I replace what I already spent to get it. Ridiculous.
What did you replace the sub with?
05-10-2014 11:28 AM
WaterRooster I just spent 2 days replacing the entire alpine system. I was amazed at how muddy it all was and for what I paid for it? That sure was a waste. The only thing is that I was able to reuse the stock sub compartment after it was sound deadened and filled. Now I have a stereo that actually sounds good after spending wen more I replace what I already spent to get it. Ridiculous.
05-10-2014 10:01 AM
JCAB I made the mistake of getting the alpine premium system as well in my 2014 jku sport. Don't buy it, it is truly a waste of money for a sub par sound system.
05-10-2014 08:56 AM
Siggy14 By the way, does anyone know for sure that the two front speakers are full range? I want to take the two wires from each side and put them into a RCA converter instead of using something more fancy. I have a 7 Band EQ to play with sound quality so I really do not need the LC8i. But if the front speakers are not full range then of course I will have to use the LC8i to sum all the channels.
05-10-2014 08:53 AM
Siggy14 I have had my 2014 rubi now for about 7 months and still hate the system, best way I can make it sound decent is using my IPOD and setting the IPOD EQ to loudness which basically bumps the highs and lows and cuts the mids. However what disappoints me about this is when using my IPOD the volume is so much lower then when using Radio or the sat radio, I have yet to try CD or Hard drive.

Coming from a ford mustang I am so disappointed with this system, Ford at least makes there stock premium system sound good, not great but very good and passable.

Maybe we should all do a class action suit, they are charging us for a premium system that sounds like complete crap.
04-09-2014 10:18 AM
panthermark
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Originally Posted by TerryC6 View Post
Emphasis on bolded section.

I thought the same thing when I added my 4 ohm Morels but to my surprise they are louder than my front stock speakers. I lost my fader control when I installed a new head unit so my sound stage is not very good at the moment.

It took me a day or 2 to figure it out, my new speakers are more efficient than the old ones. The new speakers have a sensitivity rating of 91db. Lets assume 85db for the stock speaker (generous). Every 3db increase in sound requires 2x more power. So even though I lost half power from the amp going to 4 ohm speakers it takes 4x less power to run the new ones, a 3db increase in sound.
Not mine,
The stock Alpines easily hit harder are were louder than my Kicker's. I was super bummed. When I installed my speakers, I did one side at a time, and also did it with my sub disconnected since you can never turn the sub off. That way I could isolate (as best as possible) one speaker at a time. I'd have the stock on the left, the Kicker on the right, faded front or rear, and just play a song going back and forth with the balance.

Here is one of my emails from Kicker on the 77Kick10's and some info on ther amps.
Quote:
Hi,



The 77Kick10 is a 4 ohm 6.5 with a rated frequency response of 40 Hz – 21 KHz. They can handle 6-65 watts RMS and have a sensitivity of 90 dB.

The Mopar branded amps are designed to run at 4 ohm on the multi-channel and ½ ohm or 1 ohm on the sub amps/channels. The 8 channel amp that we use in premium audio Jeep Wranglers is rated at 368 watts.


Thank you,


Jerimy Brown
Technical Services
I don't know how efficient the stock Alpine's are, but the 77Kick10's came it at 90db...which I think is pretty meh for aftermarket speakers.
04-09-2014 10:09 AM
panthermark My email exchange with Jeep on November 1st 2012.

Quote:
New Vehicle Information - Jeep Brand Site
Brief Description:
Question on factory amp for 2013 Jeep Wrangler
Comments:
Hello, I'm in the middle of purchasing a 2013 Sahara, and I'll be
looking to upgrade the speakers right away. However, I cannot find any
information on the amp. Can you please tell me: *The wattage per channel?. *At what ohms per channel? *Is that peak or RMS? * And also, at what frequency is the sub channel crossed over? I'm looking at new dash and soundbar speakers, but I can't tell if I should get 2 ohm or 4 ohm speakers.
Thank you
-------
Dear Mark:

It is great to read of your interest in the 2013 Jeep Wrangler and
Wrangler Unlimited!

The standard Alpine Premium Audio System on the 2013 Jeep Wrangler
Sahara 4x4 and the 2013 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Sahara 4x4 would include
the following:

- 6 speakers with subwoofer
- 276-watt, 8-channel amplifier

I have taken the liberty of forwarding all other technical inquiries you
have posed within your email to obtain answers and I have been informed
that it is 46 Watts (peak) per channel, driving 2 Ohm loads. The
subwoofer crossover is roughly 60Hz.
Now, there are a couple of problems here.
The first is that our systems are listed as 368 watt systems, but we actually don't have 368 watt systems. We have 276 watt amps (.

If you ever looked at the pin-out chart for the premium systems, you will notice there are no channels running to the tombstones from the amp itself. So our amps are actually 6 channel amps.
2008-2009 Jeep Wrangler with Infinity Wiring Information

The other issue is that we are amps are listed at 46 watts per channel..which is fine...but that is peak, not RMS....and it is at 2 ohms...which kinda blows.

I emailed Kicker several times trying to figure out if there was any way to use one of their Mopar amps in the Premium system, but there isn't. They have an amp for the non-premium system that seems like it would be near perfect....but they say it does not work.
04-09-2014 10:02 AM
TerryC6
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Originally Posted by panthermark View Post
The 77Kick10's are an "OK upgrade" over the stock Alpine's....but they are 4 ohm speakers as well (thus you actually lose volume). So the biggest benefit to them is that they are plug and play (which is no big deal being that adapters are cheap), they have tweeters, and that they fit behind the stock grills.

The fit of them is actually not that flush. I ran a bead of silicone around them when I put them back in the rollbar.
Emphasis on bolded section.

I thought the same thing when I added my 4 ohm Morels but to my surprise they are louder than my front stock speakers. I lost my fader control when I installed a new head unit so my sound stage is not very good at the moment.

It took me a day or 2 to figure it out, my new speakers are more efficient than the old ones. The new speakers have a sensitivity rating of 91db. Lets assume 85db for the stock speaker (generous). Every 3db increase in sound requires 2x more power. So even though I lost half power from the amp going to 4 ohm speakers it takes 4x less power to run the new ones, a 3db increase in sound.
04-09-2014 09:33 AM
panthermark
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Originally Posted by TerryC6 View Post
No not really, the Infinity KAPPA speakers are very nice and come in both components and coax. I almost went this direction.

The biggest problem is the amp itself and how it is wired. 8 sets of twisted pairs, 1 for each speaker and 2 sets for the sub all out of a reported 385 watts. Is it an 8 channel amp with the crossovers built in and 2 channels bridged at the sub? Since there are no published spec we really don't know.
I have some of the specs on the amp. I'll try to dig up the emails from Jeep and Kicker (it is also posted in one or two of the sound system threads floating around here).

You will not like what you see because we are getting ripped off.
04-09-2014 09:26 AM
panthermark
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Originally Posted by Gumbys69 View Post
So finding aftermarket speakers that are 2 ohm may be tough. Is there any even out there?
There are just a couple out there.

Infinty makes some 2 ohm and 3 ohm speakers. but I heard that they can be "shrill". (I never actually heard them myself.)

Infinity Primus PR6502is 6-1/2" 2-way car speakers ā€” also fit 6-3/4" openings at Crutchfield.com
Infinity Kappa 62.11i 6-3/4" 2-way car speakers ā€” also fit 6-1/2" openings at Crutchfield.com


Someone recently pointed out the JBL P662 model. That might work.
P662 | Quality 6 1/2 inch 2-way 225-watt Car Speakers | JBL US


The other thing you have to keep in mind is if they will fit in the stock locations behind the stock grill (if you want to keep the stock grill and stay stealth). I actually wanted the Polk Audio DB651 model (non-shallow version, not the DB651s which is a shallow version) in all 4 corners, but I don't think they will easily fit behind the stock grills due to tweeter protrusion.
04-09-2014 09:26 AM
TerryC6
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Originally Posted by Gumbys69 View Post
So finding aftermarket speakers that are 2 ohm may be tough. Is there any even out there?
No not really, the Infinity KAPPA speakers are very nice and come in both components and coax. I almost went this direction.

The biggest problem is the amp itself and how it is wired. 8 sets of twisted pairs, 1 for each speaker and 2 sets for the sub all out of a reported 385 watts. Is it an 8 channel amp with the crossovers built in and 2 channels bridged at the sub? Since there are no published spec we really don't know.
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