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03-09-2013 11:19 PM
vistaballa21 Thule parts

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03-09-2013 01:21 PM
RalphTomaccio Here's a link to my post for a roof rack:

http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/kay...ll-181691.html

The Thule Hullavator is expensive, but it works great and it is easy!
03-03-2013 08:43 PM
Bigbelgian Just some foam cushions and straps. Don't get too fancy. I have a 17' Perception, 17' Wilderness Systems, and a 10.6' recreational kayak. Note the new bumper!
05-04-2011 07:00 PM
jk'n Rack looks good nickandsusan. The rollers look like they clear the clamp by a good amount. If the V shape of the kayak touches the clamp maybe moving the rollers slightly closer together will solve the problem. I hope it works for you. I have one set of that type of kayak support. I use it in the middle when I carry three kayaks. The two outside kayaks are always J type supports.
05-04-2011 06:52 PM
jk'n
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Originally Posted by nickandsusan View Post
solved issue #1 with what I had. Wrapped a couple of bungee cords around the front tube and the howling/vibrating is gone!!!

A nice black rope would look better, but this works for now.
This brings back a memory that someone posted about this issue. I recall that they used string to solve the problem. Black parachute cord comes to mind as a possible candidate. That will hide there in plain sight and possibly have the same effect. That is what I think I will try when I get some.
05-04-2011 05:22 PM
nickandsusan solved issue #1 with what I had. Wrapped a couple of bungee cords around the front tube and the howling/vibrating is gone!!!

A nice black rope would look better, but this works for now.
05-04-2011 11:40 AM
nickandsusan Finally got the rack on!

Just have a few tweaks:

1) Dang, it's loud!! Sounds like it's coming from the front round tube. Going to try to cover it with foam (as recommended in a different post) and see if that works. I don't really want to have to fabricate a fairing for this thing.

2) The Kargo Master bracket that attaches the Yakima bar to the rack sticks up quite a bit and the bracket is right in the middle of where my kayak saddles will go. Hoping the boats don't rub on the top nut.
05-02-2011 01:32 PM
jk'n
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Originally Posted by wlee3372 View Post
I used the Yakima A1 ($100 for whole set up on Craigslist) rain gutter mounts and the Yakima Mega Warrior rack ($300 at bike store). Great combo, can use for multiple options. I can just use the bars for a canoe, I have a travel enclosure, bicycle mounts, and the rack.

Since I have the Rancho bumpers - I have to undo the back latch and open the rear door - sometimes a pain to get small stuff out (base ball bags and such). With the rack, I just throw them on top and go.

The other thing is there is the thing can completely be removed in 3-4 minutes.

I looked at all the other systems - WAY too much overhead and driving NOISE.

I know the post following this one will be about how you should not attach to rain gutters, but I'm not going to put 500 pounds of equipment up there. I keep it less than 80 pounds.

I will say, I fit in the garage with 0.00001 inches of clearance!!!!

Works great.
So, you got this system on Craig's List. If you go to the Yakima web site and look those gutter mounts up for the unlimited hard top the only recommended load is skis or snowboards. That is because the max load limit for the PLASTIC rain gutters on the jeep is about 40 lbs. Will it work? Probably, until the rack comes off as you are going down the highway and kill the family in the car behind you. Then that is when the lawyers get involved....then hang on to your wallet. Declaring bankruptcy will not clear a financial award by the court....still a good bargain? Yakima specifically states that they will fit a rack to your top and they are also specific on what goes and what does not. In accidents, the lawyers always reference the manufacturer's specifications because those are the only ones that count. Insurance does not cover overloading situations. Buyer be ware.

The Congo Cage with Kargo Master yakima bar adapters supports the full weight up to the limit of the rack system which is 500 lbs. If you have nothing to lose, and don't care about the family in the car behind you, then I suppose anything goes including a rack system that doesn't support any load except skis for whatever you want to put up there.
05-02-2011 12:51 PM
sevenservices I like your avatar in my GPS, home is listed as a waypoint named "Sector 12"
05-02-2011 12:48 PM
jp2611
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Originally Posted by jeffk42 View Post
That would probably work great for a little whitewater kayak, but without measuring myself, I'd imagine there'd be some weight distribution issues for those of us that own sea kayaks 14 to 20 feet long.
went back and checked-OP said hers was 10'
05-02-2011 12:43 PM
jeffk42
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Originally Posted by jp2611 View Post
ok - I may have missed this in the thread-and probably don't know as much as I think I do about the new Jeeps (JK/JKU) but my little "old town" Kayak would fit INSIDE my TJ with front passenger seat reclined back seat out or folded and back window out-would something like that work. OP = Usually going alone/no help and no extra cost? No storage issues. No drill issues.
That would probably work great for a little whitewater kayak, but without measuring myself, I'd imagine there'd be some weight distribution issues for those of us that own sea kayaks 14 to 20 feet long.
05-02-2011 11:45 AM
jp2611 ok - I may have missed this in the thread-and probably don't know as much as I think I do about the new Jeeps (JK/JKU) but my little "old town" Kayak would fit INSIDE my TJ with front passenger seat reclined back seat out or folded and back window out-would something like that work. OP = Usually going alone/no help and no extra cost? No storage issues. No drill issues.
05-02-2011 11:35 AM
Grzzly I have installed the congo cage, Yakima cross bars, and hully rollers with Mako beds. We carry 2 12 ft kayaks with ease. The kayaks roll up onto the rack without issue.

05-02-2011 09:10 AM
wlee3372 I used the Yakima A1 ($100 for whole set up on Craigslist) rain gutter mounts and the Yakima Mega Warrior rack ($300 at bike store). Great combo, can use for multiple options. I can just use the bars for a canoe, I have a travel enclosure, bicycle mounts, and the rack.

Since I have the Rancho bumpers - I have to undo the back latch and open the rear door - sometimes a pain to get small stuff out (base ball bags and such). With the rack, I just throw them on top and go.

The other thing is there is the thing can completely be removed in 3-4 minutes.

I looked at all the other systems - WAY too much overhead and driving NOISE.

I know the post following this one will be about how you should not attach to rain gutters, but I'm not going to put 500 pounds of equipment up there. I keep it less than 80 pounds.

I will say, I fit in the garage with 0.00001 inches of clearance!!!!

Works great.
05-01-2011 09:41 AM
seadog Amazon.com: Wrap Rax Single Softrack: Sports & Outdoors

We use these to haul my wife's surfboards, but there is enough strap to wrap around a kayak securely. On the Jeep, I have to take the top off completely and put one on the top of the windshield and one on top of the sound bar. That's not an issue with a JKU, because you have 4 doors to run the straps through.

I just threw them on my wife's civic this morning. Very stable when actually sitting on a hardtop. They also make a a double wide version, so you could haul 2 kayaks.
05-01-2011 07:27 AM
nyurdrms Hi all,

I wanted a cheap solution to hauling a my kayak with the hard top off and I didn't want to tow a carrier or spend a hundred or so on a rack system.

I ended up using two 15 ft x. 1 inch ratchet-straps ($16 at Home Depot) across the top. It easy to get on and off, is very secure and keeps the wallet full. Not to mention, it just looks cool.

Hope this helps,

04-14-2011 01:34 PM
jk'n I didn't realize that this was a continuation of an old thread. Sorry for the double information on the two posts.
04-14-2011 01:30 PM
jk'n I have the Congo Cage by Kargo Master. Initial investment for a rack that supports up to 500 lbs was somewhere in the order of $300 plus change, then shipping. I got the Yakima adapter clamps from Kargo Master that fit the Congo Cage and use my existing Yakima bars to support my kayaks. I travel with 4 on the roof. A 16 foot sea touring, two 12 foot and one 10 foot old town flat water kayaks. I use yak stacker for the middle two kayaks with shark pads the support the middle two at the bottom. The outside two kayaks sit on j bar racks. The Congo Cage had one of the highest weight limits of all of the racks I looked at and bolted to the jeep without any modifications. Your decision not to go with the gutter mounts was a good one in my opinion. The reason that the weight limit on them is 40 lbs or there about is because the rain gutter is made of plastic and will not support any weight. The highest weight limit for any of the Yakima supports for the roof that I think I recall is about 165 lbs and those were for the risers that attach to an existing rack system on SUV or mini-van type vehicles. I had a caravan before the jeep and used the short rack attached risers and they worked well. But the jeep is a special breed because of the removable top. The Congo Cage solved my problem and I don't worry about 4 kayaks being up there. From Massachusetts, I've been down to Florida and up to Maine last summer with the kayaks on top and no issues. Tying them down securely is another matter. I have a system that I use that insures that even if they come loose they will not depart the top of the jeep.
04-14-2011 12:58 PM
theagency I used to transport my 2 10' on a tundra using a back rack and thule goalpost setup. I recently got a new 4 door, and found the goalpost hitch connection does not clear the spare. My goal is to extend the goalpost with a hitch extension, and then measure the distance from the goalpost to a window bar (yet to purchase). This will allow transport with hard, soft, or no top. The estimated investment would be:

thule goalpost $125 (used)
hitch extension $25
foam blocks/straps $50 (used)
front light bar/window bar (haven't bought yet)

I'll let you know how this setup works. It will be tight for a 10', but I know you would be able to transport 12' and above with enough length.
04-14-2011 09:25 AM
MattBlackJK
Kayak + Jeep = Money

I have a 12 foot Old Town Dirigo XT Rec Kayak and a 15 foot Composite Necky Manitou Sea Kayak that both weigh about 40 +/- pounds each. I am still in the process of trying to get the right system down to transport them with my 4 door hard top.

The cheapest way to move it around is to buy a set of Yakima Foam blocks (available at Academy, REI, Backcounty, ect.) that set directly on your top and basically just strap them down somehow. It shouldn't be more than $50 to have that option in play. But I like to have a more secure system to move around a $2500 Kayak and furthermore, it just looks a little wimpy.

Before I continue, one thing I found out during this endeavor is that nothing is cheap in either roof racks or kayaks, so there are very few deals to be found.. blemished kayaks are about the only price break you can find, my wife's kayak, the old town, is a blemished model (which I cannot figure out where the blemish is).

Nevertheless, I first shopped for a roof rack that I could put on my Jeep and concluded that a Gobi rack was the one for me. But once I saw the price tag, the shock sent out to find a less expensive option. I then tried to examine the Yakima rack options. Our hard tops have rain gutters but they recommend to not use them for anything. Well, I have the assumption that such recommendations were to just alleviate JEEP from responsibility of the unlikely. So I bought a set of 4 Yakima Raingutter Towers and the crossbars and a fairing all for about $325, this does not include saddles. It looks sweet but frankly scares me to death and sounds like an absolute freight train going down the road, at a maximum of 50 mph by the way.

Another option from Yakima that I considered is to install the tracks on my top, then fitting the tracks with adequate towers and crossbars. (This, or something similar) is what I believe that the Jeep Ad had.) I dismissed going this route because I was hesitant about the drilling on the roof and the price tag was elevated to about $500 if not more with this option. In the end, I believe that this would be a more effective option. With both Kayaks strapped onto the raingutter system, I truly feel as though it is putting far to much stress on the freedom top. In addition to the fears of strength, The two kayaks barely fit and to effectively load them you must be at least 6 foot and able to hold the kayak over your head. And be able to physically prevent your Kayak while over your head from damaging your Jeep in the process.

Now I am literally back where I started, a couple of weeks ago I ordered a Gobi Stealth Rack. If my hard top would ever be damaged, replacing it would put me even with the cost of a Gobi. Therefore, in my seemingly "Washington Like" spending habits, I would recommend biting the bullet and going for a Gobi. The price increase does not outweigh what I consider to be the quality, use and looks. Furthermore, I have not seen a used one sell for less than $1000. Normally, they will sell USED in the range of $1100 to 1200!!!! That's if you can find them for sale. I offered some guy $1400 for his and he wouldn't sell it. They cost 1450 new???? I say that because, if I ever needed to unload the rack for whatever reason, it doesn't seem to be like other items of similar nature, it has quite a resale value.

Did I mention that beyond the rack system, you will need to spend at least $100-200 more dollars per Kayak to buy the saddles/rollers etc to set the boat on. Ebay is a great place to buy some used rack accessories, but there is a good deal of competition out there to buy them.

The whole Kayaking scene is expensive, but fun. Throw trying to haul it with a Jeep in the mix, and money can only get you there. But if you can get there, you have the best looking set up on the road.
03-21-2011 06:29 PM
jk8man Hey All - this is my first post ever but I've largely been hung up on the same issue. I actively row (27' long shell, but it's only ~33 pounds) so I've been trying to find a way to make this work with a 2011 unlimited with the hard top without putting on some huge rack system.

I ran across something on the www.jeep.com website... Has anybody else seen this? Is it a fake?
01-14-2011 10:00 AM
nickandsusan yes, since you have the 4 door your rack will be much larger and heavier. I didn't think about that.

check out the goal post and light bar combo nvkid is putting together. may be the cheapest and easiest way for you to go. And would make taking the freedom or entire top off a breeze. The only issue with the light bar/goal post is you would need to have quite a long kayak to reach the light bar from the back of the boat.

before I invested in my rack I had my local jeep fabricator shop drill in to my hard top so I could put up some Yakima rails. it worked out well, he used silicon to seal the holes and I never had any issues. I wanted to haul heavier stuff so I got the garvin rack.

you could possibly go with a goal post attached to the hitch and have your jeep or rack store add a crossbar to your roof close to the set of second doors.

you could also just get one crossbar with feet that hook on to the gutter system since you will just be carrying a kayak. some guys here don't recommend that, but others have had no issues with the setup.

another easy way would be get the crossbar/hitch combo and go to rei and get a set of foam kayak pads. place them on the top of the jeep and when u roll the kayak up on to the crossbar the boat should land/rest on the blocks. you can strap the front of the boat down thru the back windows. we used that system in Hawaii.

good luck! lots of options out there and i know it's crazy trying to find the right set up!

http://www.wranglerforum.com/f5/anyb...yak-33293.html
01-14-2011 08:58 AM
cbaird Jeep Off-Road Series Expedition Racks - JK Wrangler, CJ-7, Unlimited, Soft Top, Hard Top, Cargo Storage for Jeeps

Hi Susan, is this the rack you had/are getting again? It says for a 4 dr Wrangler is requires 2 people to tilt it back, so I don't think that will work for me, do you find this is the case?
Cindy
01-13-2011 11:54 PM
nickandsusan We also had a trailer for our boats because it was just plain easy to load/unload. Storing the trailer was a bit of a pain though.

Here are a few shots of our old set ups. Sorry, I couldn't find any shots of the kayaks up on the jeep.
01-13-2011 11:38 PM
nickandsusan I'm a 5'3" woman and had a 99 wrangler with a 4"lift, 33s, and a garvin wilderness rack. I used Yakima Hully Rollers and Maco saddles to load my 12' kayak with no issues alone.

I just bought a 2 door rubicon and will be going with this same set up.

nvkid has a great plan, kind of this set up
Thule Canoe Racks - 2010 Thule 997 GoalPost Hitch Mounted Kayak / Canoe Racks for 2 inch Hitches
01-13-2011 09:18 AM
nvkid Hey cbaird, Will try and get some pictures in the next few days. It`ll be a first for me so hold on to ur kayak.
01-13-2011 09:05 AM
Vince1
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Originally Posted by Tiki Tim View Post
I have the Gobi Stealth, and with my Trektop it is a breeze to take off the top. For the hard top the rack tilts back rather easily. I can't recommend the Gobi enough, it is solid and built to last...
X2 on the Gobi. That's what I ended up going with. Well worth the money IMHO as it is a very versatile and well designed rack.
01-13-2011 08:48 AM
NHrubicon If anyone is looking for kayak racks (the clamp on type) I have several pairs to get rid of. One set of the 'fold down' Thule brand, never used (bought the wrong ones) and several pairs of the Thule J style. (I've used these several times). I had been using a stakeside trailer I converted for hauling kayaks, boy scout troop borrowed it and loaded 7-8 by stacking them on the ones in the J hooks. But now I pull a camper so if we use the kayaks they have to go up on top on my Garvin rack. Talk about a solid rack! So I only need 2 pairs. Haven't kayaked in 2 years, medical problems...so this year, if we don't go, I'm selling my yaks off also. But really hoping to get back on the water!
So again, if anyone wants some of the clamp on racks (fit both round, square, and oval racks, multi-use clamp system) let me know! signman@sunrisegraphics.org
I'm in New Hampshire...and maybe if someone around here wants to talk me into kayaking this summer that would be great!
01-13-2011 08:17 AM
cbaird Hi NV Kid, still working on the rack idea, is there a possability you could post a video or some pics of your solution after you complete it?
Cindy
01-12-2011 08:48 PM
nvkid I`m in the process of putting a rack together. No kayak yet, but i`m hoping to get a hobie. First i added a light bar that wraps around the windshield. The mounts for the lights i can use to mount mabey a saddle. Next i put a slip hitch on the front and got an ajustable "T" bar to match the height of the light bar. I also have a "T" bar for the back hitch. hope you get the idea.
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